Anti-semitism on this forum...

[yerazhishda]

Although I'm new to this forum I've been browsing for a long time. I've noticed that many posters use "xxxs" or "j ews" instead of just saying xxxs. Same thing with Turks. I might understand saying "T***" but I do not understand the ambivalence toward the xxxs? As Christians aren't we supposed to love our fellow human? Was not Hisoos Chrisdos of xxxish descent?

Can someone please explain this hatred/anger/ambivalence?

edit - the forum automatically blocks out "j ews"? what?

[Merv]

Although I'm new to this forum I've been browsing for a long time. I've noticed that many posters use "xxxs" or "j ews" instead of just saying xxxs. Same thing with Turks. I might understand saying "T***" but I do not understand the ambivalence toward the xxxs? As Christians aren't we supposed to love our fellow human? Was not Hisoos Chrisdos of xxxish descent?

Can someone please explain this hatred/anger/ambivalence?

edit - the forum automatically blocks out "j ews"? what?

Christians absolutely ought to love xxxs a people, especially considering that Jesus Christ was a xxx. I think what a lot of people are pissed off about here is the fact that Israel and the influential xxxish community in the US tends to minimize or totally dismiss other genocides, especially the Armenian genocide. They were at the forefront of the non-recognition of the genocide in the US Congress. For some people, it is sometimes difficult to then carefully distinguish between xxxs as a people and xxxish individuals/the state of Israel who happen to have unsavory agendas towards others.

[Mos]

well, I don't have anything personally against j ews but I do have something against the state of Israel. Since they are best friends with Turkey and help them a lot military wise, they kill many innocent Palestinians with their American modern weapons, they pressure and harass Armenians living in Israel, they continue to strife for compensation even though Germany has done an honorary job in apologizing and compensating for the Holocaust, they influence the American government in not recognizing the Armenian genocide.

[magdalinka]

well, I don't have anything personally against j ews but I do have something against the state of Israel. Since they are best friends with Turkey and help them a lot military wise, they kill many innocent Palestinians with their American modern weapons, they pressure and harass Armenians living in Israel, they continue to strife for compensation even though Germany has done an honorary job in apologizing and compensating for the Holocaust, they influence the American government in not recognizing the Armenian genocide.

Truer words have never been spoken. Thank you.

[freakyfreaky]

Bravo, Mos. Israel is certainly no 'true' friend of Armenia or Armenian causes.

On another note, Armenia is one of the last strongholds of Christianity in the Caucasus and the irony is that Israel has allied itself with Turkey and Azerbaijan, muslim nations, whose foreign policies include threats and blockades against Armenia.

Another side note, this last week Abraham Foxman spoke to Knesset members in Israel re: internet hate and American perception that US J-ews more loyal to Israel (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203343704615&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull ; http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203343705034&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull ; http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Internet_75/5232_75.htm) inspiring an interesting take that the lobbying activities of American J-ews re: Israel, J-ewish interests and on behalf of Turkey for genocide denial is in line with the U.S. Constitution and Federalist Paper No. 51. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203343707201&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Here's are some other interesting articles.

Is Mouradian a historian or a journalist? http://www.hyetert.com/haber3.asp?AltYazi=Haberler%20%5C%3E%20G%C3%BCncel&Id=28516&DilId=1

J-ewish Rabbi concerned that American J-ewish leaders should not make comments about U.S. presidential candidates with example re: the impact of one leader's recent jab at Obama. http://www.forward.com/articles/12748/

ADL's Foxman interjects in Israeli rhetoric campaign against Hezbollah, Iran. http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Security/12653.htm
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iransyriahezbollahterrorismnuclearlaserwarisraelun lebanonspaceweapons48021908.html

Anti-Zionist J-ewish author reports on Australia's apology to aborigines, that Zionists prefer a state of war over a state of peace and directly blasts Foxman as an example of a Zionist J-ew unwilling to acknowledge the genocide of Armenians to remain allied with Israel's zionist interests.

http://www.xxxishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=18925 (an example of how J-ewish organizations use free speech to stifle free speech; if you say something contrary to theirs about Israel, you are anti-semitic but if they talk on you, its free speech)

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/2008020820080208dobbsolbermann.html (Keith Obermann goes after Lou Dobbs for his negative take on ADL)

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/30795.html (Armenian columnist explains why Israeli and J-ewish leaders have a lot of catching up to do when it comes to being humanitarian)

Gandhi's grandson pays the price for his opinion that J-ews and Israel are global players in culture of violence that threatens to destroy humanity. http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/02/18/45800.html

[TomServo]

I have requested that the xxxish censor be removed a few times.

It was originally set-up because there were some extremely anti-Semitic people posting a bunch of ridiculous, venomous topics.

[Virgil]

Although I'm new to this forum I've been browsing for a long time. I've noticed that many posters use "xxxs" or "j ews" instead of just saying xxxs. Same thing with Turks. I might understand saying "T***" but I do not understand the ambivalence toward the xxxs? As Christians aren't we supposed to love our fellow human? Was not Hisoos Chrisdos of xxxish descent?

Can someone please explain this hatred/anger/ambivalence?

edit - the forum automatically blocks out "j ews"? what?

(laugh) What about xxxs? Should they not love their Arab neighbors? Maybe they are anti-semites themselves? Or the Germans? Why not spend their tourism dollars in Berlin? Funny, very funny, strange, the psychological conditioning has hit a new milestone. YOU have to understand, the Holocaust, although tragic, has milked every party involved, on both fronts of the war. However, the same respect and dignity is not being extended to the Armenian cause, which is fine, really, I don't mind this, you fight for your own causes and people join you or they don't, but to use the political struggle of such a tragedy as a political chip is just unethical and cheap, that is all I can say.

[AR MENIA]

Well it may just have something to do with a certain xxxish sects involvment in the implementation and act of Genocide against Armenians. Do a search on the donmeh sect of judaism and its founder sabbatai zevi. After doing a liitle research on this a logical person will understand why so many israeli/xxx groups are against the recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

[Armenian]

Merv, if you are a Christian, then Christ was God, not a xxx. Christ was rejected and murdered by xxxs. In my opinion, Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism.

Christians absolutely ought to love xxxs a people, especially considering that Jesus Christ was a xxx. I think what a lot of people are pissed off about here is the fact that Israel and the influential xxxish community in the US tends to minimize or totally dismiss other genocides, especially the Armenian genocide. They were at the forefront of the non-recognition of the genocide in the US Congress. For some people, it is sometimes difficult to then carefully distinguish between xxxs as a people and xxxish individuals/the state of Israel who happen to have unsavory agendas towards others.

You are yet very young. First educate yourself before having opinions. Christ's teaching have to do with social interaction and nothing to do with politics. Don't take his saying out of context. One can justify just about anything by using sacred texts. Nevertheless, Christians are also supposed to hate evil. Would you "turn the other cheek" if you or your family members are being threatened with violence? Yes, love your enemy, but kill him before he tries to kill you.

Although I'm new to this forum I've been browsing for a long time. I've noticed that many posters use "xxxs" or "j ews" instead of just saying xxxs. Same thing with Turks. I might understand saying "T***" but I do not understand the ambivalence toward the xxxs? As Christians aren't we supposed to love our fellow human? Was not Hisoos Chrisdos of xxxish descent? Can someone please explain this hatred/anger/ambivalence? edit - the forum automatically blocks out "j ews"? what?

[Merv]

Merv, if you are a Christian, then Christ was God, not a xxx. Christ was rejected and murdered by xxxs. In my opinion, Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism.



You are yet very young. First educate yourself before having opinions. Christ's teaching have to do with social interaction and nothing to do with politics. Don't take his saying out of context. One can justify just about anything by using sacred texts. Nevertheless, Christians are also supposed to hate evil. Would you "turn the other cheek" if you or your family members are being threatened with violence? Yes, love your enemy, but kill him before he tries to kill you.

I don't want to descend into extended religious arguments with you, but I assure you that you are wrong. Yes, Christ was fully God and fully human, which is a central tenet of Christianity. I worship Him because He was God. His mother, Mary, was a xxxish woman of the tribe of Judah (via the line of David), so Jesus was xxxish as to his humanity. If you read the New Testament, you will see his xxxishness well and clearly, and he was obligated to follow the xxxish law 100%; he fulfilled it on our behalf. We worship him because He is God, but He came first to His own xxxish people, who rejected Him, and then the Gentiles were given a chance. This is written in the book of Romans of the New Testament.

As for who killed Jesus, I believe that it was all of us, in a sense, since he died for the sins of all men then living and who lived ever after. Since I am a sinner, He had to die for me, so I am responsible for His death. As for the specific people who physically killed Jesus - it was both xxxs and Romans. xxxs demanded the execution and insulted and attacked Him, and Romans actually carried out the execution out of political expediency (to appease and pacify the xxxish authorities). So, in a sense, both xxxs and Gentiles participated in this.

I did *not* justify xxxish or any other politics because of Jesus. I don't consider the modern state of Israel to be the inheritor of the ancient theocracy and I certainly don't agree with most of what it does, especially to Palestinians, Armenians, and others. Even its founding, primarily by Ashkenazi xxxs fleeing Europe after 2000 years of exile, is quite dubious.

Christians are supposed to hate evil, but not our neighbor. Jesus told us to love our neighbor. Not only that, he told us to love our enemies. Read that in the Sermon on the Mount. The question of non-violence is a very difficult one, and I am inclined to say that Jesus espoused it. Of course, in certain circumstances, such as what we've been discussing on your Russian-Armenian forum, in wars, genocides, etc. - it is very difficult to espouse nonviolence, as this position may imply that you will have to suffer the consequences of the violence of others. This is a difficult thing for a true Christian to accept, since it may very well imply the need to accept his own destruction if his enemies are merciless. That was the essence of the Christian martyrs - people who died for their faith, not by killing others like Muslim suicide bombers, but by refusing to renounce Christ on pain of suffering and death.

[Virgil]

The one God ideology is older than most religions today, stems from old Indo-European rituals. Example, you know, "Armenian", it is connected to "men that worship the sun" (i.e. the all power source, also known as "one God").

[Armanen]

The one God ideology is older than most religions today, stems from old Indo-European rituals. Example, you know, "Armenian", it is connected to "men that worship the sun" (i.e. the all power source, also known as "one God").

Apres Virgil! The Divine has revealed Himself multiple times and at multiple places. Indeed the Sun worshipping Aryans did have a concept of one major God among their pantheon, similar to the Hindu tradition which was a combo of the invading Indo-Aryan tribes beliefs and those of the native Dravidians/Harrapa culture. I'll post more on this later.

[jgk3]

Apres Virgil! The Divine has revealed Himself multiple times and at multiple places. Indeed the Sun worshipping Aryans did have a concept of one major God among their pantheon, similar to the Hindu tradition which was a combo of the invading Indo-Aryan tribes beliefs and those of the native Dravidians/Harrapa culture. I'll post more on this later.

The divine reveals itself every morning...

But, Armenians can't use these beliefs anymore to survive as Armenians, they need the church. The church in my opinion is too much of an abstraction of the original sun worship the idea of Christ is descended from.

Even so, I find sun worship makes a lot of sense, personally, especially the way George Carlin puts it, haha.

[AR MENIA]

lol I know exactly what you are talking about jgk! :D

[Anonymouse]

Okay, the purpose of censoring the word J-ew is because it has been abused once before and this was done by the admin, not I or anyone else. This topic cannot be discussed without emotions flaring and people going off on tangents about this or that.