The official GANGSTA-wanna-be thread (list your fave AC members)

[djsinister]

This is where we list all the AC members who are dying to be anything BUT Armenian.

A message to all of you:
Read your profiles.......To be honest, you sound like idiots. You're using slang like it's out of style. Blacks don't even talk like that anymore. Stop trying to jive talk (ex: "you izz", "haterz", "ma crew", "xxxxxez", "hoes", "drinkin becardi", etc...) You don't even know how to spell Bacardi, let alone drink it. Use proper English, people. With an attitude like the ones you're displaying, you won't go far in life. If you're a girl, no one will want to hire you, unless it's for a porno. If you're a boy, you'll end up being a garbage collector, or even homeless. If your parents only knew....

I know children go through phases, but man, this is becoming an epidemic with our Armenian youth. And it's not only the Armos...all ethnicities are plagued: greeks, italians, etc...

Hip-hop artists & executive (record label) moguls are laughing to the bank, as our youth suck up everything they throw at them. Every adult (black & white) knows that hip hop is now considered a money-making TOOL that targets & influences young kids. It's no longer about the music! It's all about asses, tits, drinking, fu#@ing, tatoos, slang talk, gangsta-wanna-be's, bad-azz attitudes.

To all of our armo wanna-be's worldwide: take your attitudes to the depths of South Central (Los Angeles), Queens, Bronx, the ghettos of Mobile (Alabama), Cabrini Green Projects in Chicago, any ghetto in Detroit or Newark, NJ..............and see what happens. You'll pee on yourselves like you were 3 years old.....And, go ahead, try to talk & act like you do!!! Trust me, you will not make it out.



My present pick:

Member: SexayChicka

She likes to refer to herself as the GhettoQueen..

whatever!?!? :wave:

[XxgoeyxX]

I know children go through phases, but man, this is becoming an epidemic with our Armenian youth. And it's not only the Armos...all ethnicities are plagued: greeks, italians, etc...

I hear you. Its dissapointing that as Armenians some of us leave our roots to try and become something we are not and never will be. Maybe it is a phases with these kids but its kinda annoying and pathetic.

By the way I dont have a favorite AC member because I dont read and dont want to read their profiles. Usually I dont understand a word, but maybe thats just me.

[patlajan]

Yo yo yo cuz. Why you all up in my grill like a playa hata son? Don u know I gotz de ill beats ? One life to live homie on the real. :D

[djsinister]

I hear you. Its dissapointing that as Armenians some of us leave our roots to try and become something we are not and never will be. Maybe it is a phases with these kids but its kinda annoying and pathetic.

By the way I dont have a favorite AC member because I dont read and dont want to read their profiles. Usually I dont understand a word, but maybe thats just me.

I come from a rap background. I listened to rap from about 13 to 22 years old (religiously), and I still do today at 31 years old, although WAY less. I still embody hip-hop culture in my veins. However, I listen to PROPER rap artists that talk about politics, religion, love (not sex)& self-actualization, amongst other mature topics!!!!

Basically, music with a purpose...

In any case, I am nevertheless able to decipher what some of these profiles have to say(as hard as it may seem). I happen to land on these profiles by pure chance. I don't spend my day looking for such rubbish. But when I do land on them, I do read them for sheer amusement and fascination as to how lost our youth SEEM.

I use the term "SEEM" (instead of ARE) with caution, because I obviously don't know these people in person. In their defense, perhaps they are geniuses and are simply putting on an act for the AC website, although I highly doubt that.

All I know is that when I used to listen to this music at such an inflential age, yes it did influence the way I talked, walked and dressed, but NEVER like what i see today. Never to this degree. Back then, we had respect! We grew up in a stage of rap music that was highly political, hence we perpetuated that. We wouldn't boast, and talk out loud and degrade women. We were silent, respectful, yet we were hard as steel (in our attitudes, and mind-sets).

And back then (1985-1990), most ethnics still hadn't discovered rap and hip-hop culture. I had NEVER met another greek, italian or Armenian that remotely like rap. I was a lone armo, amongst a flurry of Haitians, Jamaicans, and Afro-canadians. I even used to rap for about 9 years. Once, i remember, I was performing at a rap fest (about 20 artists), and i was the only white artist to perform. Let alone, there was only one other white person in the crowd, and she was some dude's girlfriend. There was atleast 400 people in attendance. I got on stage with italian dress shoes, and nice dress pants and shirt (I have no earrings, no tatoos, no gold,...). I proceeded to blow the crowd away with my lyrics and delivery. i rapped non-stop for 5 minutes (no choruses, nothing....) Non-stop rapping for 300 seconds. Of course it helped that the main performer of that night got on stage pre-maturely to introduce me...

anyway, i'm veering off topic here...
:wave:

[djsinister]

Yo yo yo cuz. Why you all up in my grill like a playa hata son? Don u know I gotz de ill beats ? One life to live homie on the real. :D

On the fo rilla my wigga!
LOL

[XxgoeyxX]

I come from a rap background. I listened to rap from about 13 to 22 years old (religiously), and I still do today at 31 years old, although WAY less. I still embody hip-hop culture in my veins. However, I listen to PROPER rap artists that talk about politics, religion, love (not sex)& self-actualization, amongst other mature topics!!!!

Basically, music with a purpose...

In any case, I am nevertheless able to decipher what some of these profiles have to say(as hard as it may seem). I happen to land on these profiles by pure chance. I don't spend my day looking for such rubbish. But when I do land on them, I do read them for sheer amusement and fascination as to how lost our youth SEEM.

I use the term "SEEM" (instead of ARE) with caution, because I obviously don't know these people in person. In their defense, perhaps they are geniuses and are simply putting on an act for the AC website, although I highly doubt that.

All I know is that when I used to listen to this music at such an inflential age, yes it did influence the way I talked, walked and dressed, but NEVER like what i see today. Never to this degree. Back then, we had respect! We grew up in a stage of rap music that was highly political, hence we perpetuated that. We wouldn't boast, and talk out loud and degrade women. We were silent, respectful, yet we were hard as steel (in our attitudes, and mind-sets).

And back then (1985-1990), most ethnics still hadn't discovered rap and hip-hop culture. I had NEVER met another greek, italian or Armenian that remotely like rap. I was a lone armo, amongst a flurry of Haitians, Jamaicans, and Afro-canadians. I even used to rap for about 9 years. Once, i remember, I was performing at a rap fest (about 20 artists), and i was the only white artist to perform. Let alone, there was only one other white person in the crowd, and she was some dude's girlfriend. There was atleast 400 people in attendance. I got on stage with italian dress shoes, and nice dress pants and shirt (I have no earrings, no tatoos, no gold,...). I proceeded to blow the crowd away with my lyrics and delivery. i rapped non-stop for 5 minutes (no choruses, nothing....) Non-stop rapping for 300 seconds. Of course it helped that the main performer of that night got on stage pre-maturely to introduce me...

anyway, i'm veering off topic here...
:wave:


I understand what you mean. I have nothing against people who listen to rap music or whatever type of music at all. My brother listens to rap. Not all the time but he likes it. Sometimes I listen to it becaue he just has to have it in the car. But what I meant is why are these kids tring be something they are not? Who cares what rap artists you like doesnt mean you have to become like them. They are Armenian not Black, not hispanic nor Asian nor anything else for that matter.

Oh and by the way thats very interesting the stuff that you have done. Now from what I have read it seems you are not one of those Armenian guys that made a horrible rap album. But I dont know much about Hip Hop/Rap so I wouldnt know what is good and what is not.

[SagGal]

My present pick:

Member: SexayChicka

She likes to refer to herself as the GhettoQueen..

whatever!?!? :wave:YO! Lets keep it on the downlow, aite? :cool:



Welcome to the forum, djsinister. :wave:

[patlajan]

YO! Lets keep it on the downlow, aite? :cool:



Welcome to the forum, djsinister. :wave:

Why you playa hatin? U noe he be dropin knowledge on yall.

[Emil]

Interesting........very interesting.

[SagGal]

Why you playa hatin? U noe he be dropin knowledge on yall.I ain't hatin, I'm bein' real.

It was a little funny for me that you said, "knowledge." :p haha.
OK, that was mean. My bad. :(

[patlajan]

I ain't hatin, I'm bein' real.

It was a little funny for me that you said, "knowledge." :p haha.
OK, that was mean. My bad. :(

U tripin. Dont play yoself

[SagGal]

U tripin. Dont play yoselfU righ'. Thanks homey.

[patlajan]

U righ'. Thanks homey.
You suck at this. I don't like half-assed negroes. Try harder. :laugh:

[ExtraHye]

What ever happened with Dan, I'm sure he'll be great at this!!! :laugh:

[SagGal]

You suck at this. I don't like half-assed negroes. Try harder. :laugh:Thank you so MUCH! I am glad to hear that I suck at this.
:D

[Crimson Glow]

I understand what you mean. I have nothing against people who listen to rap music or whatever type of music at all. My brother listens to rap. Not all the time but he likes it. Sometimes I listen to it becaue he just has to have it in the car. But what I meant is why are these kids tring be something they are not? Who cares what rap artists you like doesnt mean you have to become like them. They are Armenian not Black, not hispanic nor Asian nor anything else for that matter.

Because rap isn't about the music, it's about the image. They're selling the image. Otherwise, rap music has no use. The melodies are nothing but regurgitated, stolen songs, the sounds are usually weak and overused, and the lyrics are repeatitive, insulting, 5-minute trendy slang. Every year, the popular, made up words change, and the ones from the year before are outdated. The look changes just as quickly. Remember when it was popular with "niggaz" to have one leg rolled up on your pants? WTF?? :laugh: And you had to wear your hat sideways? Now you gotta' have shorts that are too long to be considered shorts, but too short to be considered pants, with upside down, backwards visors instead of hats. It's all image, and they're selling it to you a dollar at a time. I know that some people who listen to rock, grunge, goth, etc can be depicted by the way they present themselves, but, is there any other genre of music other than rap where everyone that listens to it is influenced by the way the..."artist" (nearly gags)...dresses, talks, and acts???

The funniest part is, it's these thug wannabes, living the hip-hop nigga' life that go around yelling "Armenian pride", or "ArMeNiaN 4 LiFe Yo LoLLZzzz!!11", or "aRmeNiAnS R dA beSt, nIgGa !!11"

Djsinister: My apologize if rap about politics, religion, etc. exists, but I have never come across such a thing. It's hard for me to even fathom the idea. It must be a well hidden, underground secret, indeed. What are some of the specific artists you're refering to?

And finally, I mentioned this in another thread when we were talking about Armenian nigger wannabes (or Armiggers™, as I have patent the term) as part of the characteristics that make up Armenians. I had said that, while it doesn't justify it in any way, shape or form, I can see why culturless Anglo-saxons take to it. But why people with a rich culture and tradition??? :confused: These morons adopt black culture (if you can call the made-up, media/pop fabrication that) because they don't have a sense of history or belonging ethnically. But why would Armenians do it? And some people on here called me not a "true Armenian" because I won't limit my marriage choices to Armenian girls??? Bravo to those true Armos, coming from 100% Armenian families, going out with/marrying Armenians, and.....being niggers, as seems to be the growing trend, strengthening in numbers in the Armenian community out there! 2 great big thumbs up for you guys/gals. Guess I'll just be busy over here, knowing more about our history, language and culture then half the "true" Armenians out there, while not being Armenian. :wave:

[XxgoeyxX]

Because rap isn't about the music, it's about the image. They're selling the image. Otherwise, rap music has no use. The melodies are nothing but regurgitated, stolen songs, the sounds are usually weak and overused, and the lyrics are repeatitive, insulting, 5-minute trendy slang. Every year, the popular, made up words change, and the ones from the year before are outdated. The look changes just as quickly. Remember when it was popular with "niggaz" to have one leg rolled up on your pants? WTF?? :laugh: And you had to wear your hat sideways? Now you gotta' have shorts that are too long to be considered shorts, but too short to be considered pants, with upside down, backwards visors instead of hats. It's all image, and they're selling it to you a dollar at a time. I know that some people who listen to rock, grunge, goth, etc can be depicted by the way they present themselves, but, is there any other genre of music other than rap where everyone that listens to it is influenced by the way the..."artist" (nearly gags)...dresses, talks, and acts???

[I]not[

Well now that you explain it I now understand it. But like I said I really dont know what Hip Hop/Rap is.

And I do agree with you. I guess that is what I was tring to say, but you said it better.

[Virgil]

Because rap isn't about the music, it's about the image. They're selling the image. Otherwise, rap music has no use. The melodies are nothing but regurgitated, stolen songs, the sounds are usually weak and overused, and the lyrics are repeatitive, insulting, 5-minute trendy slang. Every year, the popular, made up words change, and the ones from the year before are outdated. The look changes just as quickly. Remember when it was popular with "niggaz" to have one leg rolled up on your pants? WTF?? :laugh: And you had to wear your hat sideways? Now you gotta' have shorts that are too long to be considered shorts, but too short to be considered pants, with upside down, backwards visors instead of hats. It's all image, and they're selling it to you a dollar at a time. I know that some people who listen to rock, grunge, goth, etc can be depicted by the way they present themselves, but, is there any other genre of music other than rap where everyone that listens to it is influenced by the way the..."artist" (nearly gags)...dresses, talks, and acts???

The funniest part is, it's these thug wannabes, living the hip-hop nigga' life that go around yelling "Armenian pride", or "ArMeNiaN 4 LiFe Yo LoLLZzzz!!11", or "aRmeNiAnS R dA beSt, nIgGa !!11"

Djsinister: My apologize if rap about politics, religion, etc. exists, but I have never come across such a thing. It's hard for me to even fathom the idea. It must be a well hidden, underground secret, indeed. What are some of the specific artists you're refering to?

And finally, I mentioned this in another thread when we were talking about Armenian nigger wannabes (or Armiggers™, as I have patent the term) as part of the characteristics that make up Armenians. I had said that, while it doesn't justify it in any way, shape or form, I can see why culturless Anglo-saxons take to it. But why people with a rich culture and tradition??? :confused: These morons adopt black culture (if you can call the made-up, media/pop fabrication that) because they don't have a sense of history or belonging ethnically. But why would Armenians do it? And some people on here called me not a "true Armenian" because I won't limit my marriage choices to Armenian girls??? Bravo to those true Armos, coming from 100% Armenian families, going out with/marrying Armenians, and.....being niggers, as seems to be the growing trend, strengthening in numbers in the Armenian community out there! 2 great big thumbs up for you guys/gals. Guess I'll just be busy over here, knowing more about our history, language and culture then half the "true" Armenians out there, while not being Armenian. :wave:

CG, I strongly agree with your statements, but for the record I would like to clarify somthing. My logic behind marrying in the culture is just based on numbers. I would not give a flying xxxx if at least 75% of Armenians lived in Armenia, but unfortunitly, they don't. At least 50% live in Armenia and furthermore, the population is going into decline, thus, the Diaspora is a VERY important in terms of preserving Armenian genes, culture, and traditions.

I have nothing against Armenians marrying somone other then a Armenian, but at least pick a candidate that is in the same racial phenotype as a Armenian. What I mean by that is that at least pick a husbend or wife that somwhat resembles a Armenian.

But yes, for the most part, Armenians are being pushed into the "victim" camp. When I mean I am referring to xxxs and Africans, thus, they will relate more with these groups then let us somone who is "white". I find this VERY tragic, but what can you do? I would REALLY want Armenians to emulate their own culture and LEARN from groups that have amounted to somthing, instead, Armenians emulate a group of a people that have always been under the thumb of the "white" man.

Ironically, Armenians, who are closly related to the "white man", consider the exploitation of the black man by the white man as the equivalent of their exploitation by the Turks. While the "Turks", who are culturally, racially, and historically anything but "white", try their best to socially progress, thus, trying to become "white" or "western" themselves.

In short, Armenians, instead of socially progressing are going into social decline. How can you amount to anything when you think attaining a "ghetto fabulous" life is more important than getting a education? You can't progress, furthermore, trying to "progress" by emulating a group of people that have never "progressed" is the equivalent of trying to be a doctor, while hanging around stoners, it just will not happen.

[patlajan]

Thank you so MUCH! I am glad to hear that I suck at this.
:D

Don't be proud of not being able to get in on the joke properly.

[Crimson Glow]

CG, I strongly agree with your statements, but for the record I would like to clarify somthing. My logic behind marrying in the culture is just based on numbers. I would not give a flying xxxx if at least 75% of Armenians lived in Armenia, but unfortunitly, they don't. At least 50% live in Armenia and furthermore, the population is going into decline, thus, the Diaspora is a VERY important in terms of preserving Armenian genes, culture, and traditions.

I have nothing against Armenians marrying somone other then a Armenian, but at least pick a candidate that is in the same racial phenotype as a Armenian. What I mean by that is that at least pick a husbend or wife that somwhat resembles a Armenian.

Fair enough. I can certainly understand those sentiments, but to say someone is lesser of an Armenian, or not one at all because he/she marries outside of the race (as some have announced)....that's just beyond ridiculous. If it happens, it happens. And I'm certainly not going to marry someone who isn't preparred to encompass all that me being Armenian entails, but I'm also not going to force myself to marry someone I can't get along with just because she is my same ethnicity. I'm not intrested in playing the game of conning yourself into believing you're in love, like 90% of the relationships out there. This type of mentality is why so many relationships are horrible, abusive excuses for a marriage.

But back on track. Where are the parents of such kids? I thought Armenian parents were anally strict. How are these morons allowed to get out and do what they do? Drop out of school, roam the streets at late hours, etc? I got my ass kicked for the silliest little thing when I was growing up (of course, that's a whole different story), and now these belligerent dumbf*cks are allowed to mess up this bad, and the parents don't do anything? What's the story?

[djsinister]

BTW, some intelligent rap artists:

Chuck D (Public Enemy)
Common
The Roots
Goodie Mob
Ras Kass
Saafir
KRS-One
Master Ace
Kam
Jeru The Damaja
Sho
Willie D
Stetsasonic
Just-Ice
Poor Rigteous Teachers
Confrontation Camp
Sister Souljah

......

BTW, I don't want this to turn into a hip-hop bashing thread. Hip hop is a culture and a way of life for many people on this planet. It encompasses the following: rap music, grafitti art, breakdancing, dee-jaying, style of wear, etc...) HipHop is not a form of music. It is a culture, which amongst the aforementioned list, also includes RAP music.

And I don't want this to turn into a black bashing thread either. I have never been a racist, and quite frankly, cannot tolerate it (I have enough problems dealing with it amongst my own family, and some members of our Armo community..........but that's an entirely different topic).

Throughout time, whites have always tried to emulate and eventually steal from black culture. Look at rock music as the perfect example. So, let's not begin to talk about blacks themselves being the problem. They are not the problem.

The thing is, commercial rap music (& mainstream hip-hop culture) in 2004 is a money-making tool, that successfully attempts to reel in the young suburban consumer (ie: white kids). Most of the albums that are sold are primarily to white kids who can afford them. These $100 FUBU sweaters are being bought by white kids. The Sean John apparel is being marketed to white kids. Courvoisier, Tommy Hilfiger, 24' chromes, etc... are being sold to the ever so impressionable young suburbanites.

And the rap artists are laughing, as our kids suck it up. Trust me, they are laughing!!!!!!!! The owners of FUBU have hundreds of millions saved in the bank (BTW, FUBU stands for "for us, by us"....us=blacks). Yet, it is whitey that buys it. I used to work in a record shop (HMV) for almost 5 years. I noticed alot of ethnics, including armos, begin to "notice" rap music around the time of the 2Pac/Biggie murders and controversy in 1995. Ironically, this was around the time I began losing my interest in RAP music, after I had vowed that I would NEVER listen to another form of music again.

P.Diddy & Suge Knight were the big winners of that giant 2Pac/Biggie fiasco. Every white kid now REALLY wanted to emulate!!!!! Every white kid was throwing up gang signs, and throwing up the big W (a hand sign that LA gang members would use to represent the "west coast"). Kids in Russia were throwing up W's, without the fondest clue of what it meant. And the smart business man that Puffy is, he banked in!! He owns Sean John. He is a billionaire! And many other rap artists, producers, record label owners, ......all banked in.

And i don't blame people like P Diddy. I applaud them, because their great grand-children will be set for life. I blame our parents, who are clueless and not hip to what their children are into!!!!

My parents were very strict, and although they were not "hip" per se, they still instilled enough fear (and Armenian Pride) in me that, even though I snuck in the new NWA or 2 Live Crew or Eazy-E albums, I would still have enough respect to honour my parents, my culture, my history, my teachers, my peers.......and myself. I knew that this was simply music, nothing more nothing less. Yes, there were rappers and rap groups that were violent & graphic (Geto Boys, Scarface, CMW and Ice-T, who happens to be a very intelligent rapper, save some of his material), but somehow I knew that it was fantasy, hence it didn't phase me. It fascinated me perhaps, but that's it. Perhaps it made me "harder" with respect to my attitude and outlook on life in general. But, I still knew my values.

I have enough black friends to know that nothing makes a black person laugh more than a white kid calling another white kid, "nigga". That makes them crack-up at how stupid some "whitey" kids are.

And all blacks should be given an award for having been able to take an extremely offensive word (nigger), and turn it into a hip, money-making machine!! Bravo!

[SagGal]

Don't be proud of not being able to get in on the joke properly.I did get in on the joke properly. I got in and got out. :) Put a sock in it Pat.

[Virgil]

First of all "homey" you are "white". If you have a "problem" with being "white" then you need to take your advise because, no, my friend, Armenians are not "black". So, by you trying to imply that "whites" are ridculously stupid when they emulate "black culture" then you are refering to yourself as well.

Its funny how you try to make excuses for the "black community", but yet fail to realize that by using the word "Armo", which you did use, you are indirectly making it ok to call one another "Armo".

Now, before you ask me what this has to do with it, let me explain. See when you, as a Armenian, listen to rap, you find it ok to call one another "Armos" because you think because "black people" feel it is ok to call one another "niggas" then it most be ok to call one another "Armos" based on the backwards logic that just because the person you are communicating with is of the same race, nationality, and ethnicity, it must be ok to refer to them by using a racial slur.

In my post, when I was stating how "hip-hop" culture is degenerative this is what I was referring to. Furthermore, I still do not understand how you can actually equate "rap music, grafitti art, breakdancing, dee-jaying, and style of wear" into a culture? First of all, I do not consider anything that is shown on a "MTV" a culture. If it is labeled as a culture it should be adequetly labeled as a "pop-culture", but please do not imply that it is the equivalent of a actually culture (I.E. Armenian Culture).

Furthermore, yes, rap or hip-hop, is not a socially progressive culture (for the sake of argument). IF you want to progress socially you have to emulate anything but "black" culture. Now, you may consider me a "racist" and to be honest I could care less because, frankly, everyone is racist and to say that you are not racist would be the equivalent of saying that you no preferences, but like I stated earlier you WILL NEVER amount to a doctor by emulating stoners.


I have enough black friends to know that nothing makes a black person laugh more than a white kid calling another white kid, "nigga". That makes them crack-up at how stupid some "whitey" kids are.

Wow, you must be a "black man" trapped in a "white mans" body because you are either blind to the fact that Armenians are "white" or must really hate yourself because Armenians are legally, historically, and socially considered "white". Unless, you want to change your legal status to a minority, then, no, Armenians are will never be "black" nor can they relate to the "black man" laughing at the "white man" because "laughing" at poor old "whitey" is the equavalent of laughing at a Armenian.

And all blacks should be given an award for having been able to take an extremely offensive word (nigger), and turn it into a hip, money-making machine!! Bravo!

Yeah, that is why prominant African-Americans are ashamed to associate themselves with "black people". You are honestly suggesting that it is ok for African-Americans to make a fool of themselves by calling themselves the word "nigger" when in fact their ancestors struggled for 300 years to avoid being called a dumb nigger? Are you really that socially deprived and blind to actually think that by calling one another a Armo, nigger, chink, gouke, kike, and [insert racial slur here] is ok because it can make you money? Hell, if making a fool out of yourself and making it ok for a person of another ethnicity to call you a dumb armo is ok as long as it makes you cash, then, why the xxxx don't you extend the same standard to a Turk. I am sure they would love to pay a Armenian to make a fool himself. Anyways, what your suggesting is not "progession" it is "stupidity" and for you as a Armenian to actually think that a few "rappers" hold the key to success when in fact the majority of African-Americans are in social decline then you are truly blind because socially progression will not happen by dancing around like a monkey.

Social progression is what the Japanese, xxxs, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Koreans, French, Swiss, and English have achieved, which is to pratically influence economic, social, and political shifts on the world stage. Last time I checked no African nation has ever "influenced" world powers nor have they ever amounted to anything significant and for you to put them on the pedistal and worship them is the equivalent of social decline on the world stage.

[HyeJinx1984]

What ever happened to Sean88? he was fun :p

[djsinister]

First of all "homey" you are "white". If you have a "problem" with being "white" then you need to take your advise because, no, my friend, Armenians are not "black". So, by you trying to imply that "whites" are ridculously stupid when they emulate "black culture" then you are refering to yourself as well.

Its funny how you try to make excuses for the "black community", but yet fail to realize that by using the word "Armo", which you did use, you are indirectly making it ok to call one another "Armo".

Now, before you ask me what this has to do with it, let me explain. See when you, as a Armenian, listen to rap, you find it ok to call one another "Armos" because you think because "black people" feel it is ok to call one another "niggas" then it most be ok to call one another "Armos" based on the backwards logic that just because the person you are communicating with is of the same race, nationality, and ethnicity, it must be ok to refer to them by using a racial slur.

In my post, when I was stating how "hip-hop" culture is degenerative this is what I was referring to. Furthermore, I still do not understand how you can actually equate "rap music, grafitti art, breakdancing, dee-jaying, and style of wear" into a culture? First of all, I do not consider anything that is shown on a "MTV" a culture. If it is labeled as a culture it should be adequetly labeled as a "pop-culture", but please do not imply that it is the equivalent of a actually culture (I.E. Armenian Culture).

Furthermore, yes, rap or hip-hop, is not a socially progressive culture (for the sake of argument). IF you want to progress socially you have to emulate anything but "black" culture. Now, you may consider me a "racist" and to be honest I could care less because, frankly, everyone is racist and to say that you are not racist would be the equivalent of saying that you no preferences, but like I stated earlier you WILL NEVER amount to a doctor by emulating stoners.




Wow, you must be a "black man" trapped in a "white mans" body because you are either blind to the fact that Armenians are "white" or must really hate yourself because Armenians are legally, historically, and socially considered "white". Unless, you want to change your legal status to a minority, then, no, Armenians are will never be "black" nor can they relate to the "black man" laughing at the "white man" because "laughing" at poor old "whitey" is the equavalent of laughing at a Armenian.



Yeah, that is why prominant African-Americans are ashamed to associate themselves with "black people". You are honestly suggesting that it is ok for African-Americans to make a fool of themselves by calling themselves the word "nigger" when in fact their ancestors struggled for 300 years to avoid being called a dumb nigger? Are you really that socially deprived and blind to actually think that by calling one another a Armo, nigger, chink, gouke, kike, and [insert racial slur here] is ok because it can make you money? Hell, if making a fool out of yourself and making it ok for a person of another ethnicity to call you a dumb armo is ok as long as it makes you cash, then, why the xxxx don't you extend the same standard to a Turk. I am sure they would love to pay a Armenian to make a fool himself. Anyways, what your suggesting is not "progession" it is "stupidity" and for you as a Armenian to actually think that a few "rappers" hold the key to success when in fact the majority of African-Americans are in social decline then you are truly blind because socially progression will not happen by dancing around like a monkey.

Social progression is what the Japanese, xxxs, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Koreans, French, Swiss, and English have achieved, which is to pratically influence economic, social, and political shifts on the world stage. Last time I checked no African nation has ever "influenced" world powers nor have they ever amounted to anything significant and for you to put them on the pedistal and worship them is the equivalent of social decline on the world stage.

BTW, it's homie! Not Homey..LOL

I am responding to your statement paragraph by paragraph (BTW, I appreciate your points of view...and great arguments)

With all due respect,

Now, there is a difference between people emulating and appreciating! Big difference!

I never questioned the fact that I'm white...And I have nothing to prove, I am very proud and devoted Armenian.

There is a difference between the terms Armo and nigger. One is derogatory. I never knew that "Armo" is a derogatory term. Is Italo derogatory?? In my neck of the woods it isn't...

You are saying that I to am an emulator as well/ then I invite you to compare my profile with that of, for example, Sexaychicka's (who I think is a perfect example of emulator), and tell me how they are alike. Because, she definitely emulates (I don't mean to clamp down on her, but her profile is the only one that comes to mind right now).

Your 3rd paragraph makes absolutely no sense. Firstly, I don't listen to rap as often as you think I do. But let's just say I did listen to it every single day..................
How are you able to correlate the use of the term armo with that of nigger. You are implying that I use the word Armo with Armenians (this is the first time I used it BTW), just because "blacks call themselves nigger", so it's OK for me to use it??????!!!. I never said anything remotely close to that!!!???? Your making things up.

Hip-Hop culture, and Armenian culture (or any other ethnicity) are 2 completely different things. One "culture" is artistic, while the other refers to a people, a complete race of people. Two different things altogether. The 3-word term "hip hop culture" has been coined that way for the longest time. Look up "hip hop culture" in that order of wording and see how many results you get on Google. Now if you cannot differentiate between an artistic culture and that of an ethnic race, then that's not my problem.

And the seeds of hip hop culture were sewn way before MTV, in the late 70's and early 80's....So you are incorrect by stating that it is not a culture. It is indeed a culture,..an artistic one at that.

BTW, there are some people who are NOT racists. If you are a devout and true Christian, then racism has no place in your life. I have nothing to prove to you.

And I have been working successfully in the medical field as a health-care professional for the last 5 years...............(so someone who emulates "stoners" as you suggest CAN indeed become a doctor....) Although I don't emulate (I appreciate, always have), and I don't consider these artists as "stoners". I never said that either.

I don't hate myself (never ever did......I still can't believe the gall of some of your empty accusations).

I also never suggested that blacks think it's Ok to call themselves nigger. THEY THEMSELVES HAVE SAID IT on many many many occasions over the years. Now the term "they" is obviously a loose term, as many (especially) older afro-americans are against this word. But to my knowledge and experience, the majority of younger blacks (not all of course) do use the term very lightly (nigga=brother=partner=homie=man=etc....). I've had alot of my black friends call me "nigga" on many occasions ("wassup nigga how you been?"). In response, I have never returned the favour...It's as if the word doesn't mean a whole lot anymore, like it used to before the 70's. I've heard many respected black entertainers like Richard Pryor,Chuck D & KRS-One suggest that it is like reverse psychology. Their belief and argument is that racists will have to come up with newer terms, because "nigger" holds no more weight. Their philosphy is: How can they hurt us with a word that no longer means much to us...

Blacks fully understand the struggle of over 400 years (BTW)....I also never implied that they SIMPLY use the word to make $$$$. Blacks in the entertainment business make $$$ from everything else that I mentioned. I was trying to imply that they are making easy money with the whole superficiality of this entire conglomerate of things (I should have been more clear on that last sentence. i shouldn't have JUST used the that term...my wrong)...

thanks.

PS: big difference between "nigga" and "nigger".....

[Virgil]

BTW, it's homie! Not Homey..LOL

Ok, "homie" thanks for the adequetly correcting my use of ebonics.

There is a difference between the terms Armo and nigger. One is derogatory. I never knew that "Armo" is a derogatory term. Is Italo derogatory?? In my neck of the woods it isn't...

NO, there is no difference. First of all, the deragotory term for a Italian is WOP (Without papers). The term was used early in the 20 century during the height of European immigration because most Italian immigrants came to this country "without papers". Now, if you think about calling a Italian "without papers" doesn't seem "offensive", equally, calling anyone a kike, guke, chink, nip, jap, phlipp, nazi, nigger, Armo, and other racial slurs, technically, does not constitute anything. However, that does not mean that they are not "deragatory" words because the very act of calling a Italian WOP is considered racist and in fact, is used in that context. If we you use your logic then using the word F U C K is ok because it only means "having sex", but the very vulgur tone and the context it is being used in makes the word a "bad word".

How are you able to correlate the use of the term armo with that of nigger. You are implying that I use the word Armo with Armenians (this is the first time I used it BTW), just because "blacks call themselves nigger", so it's OK for me to use it??????!!!. I never said anything remotely close to that!!!???? Your making things up.

Am I really making things up? Really think about it for a second. If you used the word Armo ten years ago I am pretty sure the Armenian youth would take offensive, but today, the word is being used on a daily basis. Now, you may try to convince me that "rap" has nothing to do with, but I know better than that. The only reason you or the rest of "Armo" crowd find using the word Armo "ok" is directly because some black rapper thinks it is ok to call another black rapper a "nigger". However, I dare you to find a xxx that is ok with calling another a xxx a "kike". See in order for others to respect you need to start respecting yourself and by you making it "ok" to use the word Armo to describe a Armenian then later on you will find more and more Non-Armenians using the word to describe a Armenian. Instead, if you want respect you should demand it and demanding it starts with you having enough respect for your "roots" and actually taking a half second more to call yourself "Armenian" instead of a "Armo".

Hip-Hop culture, and Armenian culture (or any other ethnicity) are 2 completely different things. One "culture" is artistic, while the other refers to a people, a complete race of people. Two different things altogether. The 3-word term "hip hop culture" has been coined that way for the longest time. Look up "hip hop culture" in that order of wording and see how many results you get on Google. Now if you cannot differentiate between an artistic culture and that of an ethnic race, then that's not my problem.

Fine, if you consider "Grafitti", "breakdancing", and "DJing" a culture, so be it, but I WILL never consider this a culture and please don't insult my intelligence, I can differentiate the two, but I just don't consider it a "culture".

And the seeds of hip hop culture were sewn way before MTV, in the late 70's and early 80's....So you are incorrect by stating that it is not a culture. It is indeed a culture,..an artistic one at that.

Let me ask you, how was this a "artform"? What is Hip-hop creating? Really think about it for second how is using the same backbeat, but just slightly editing the vocals a "culture"? Yes, it did originate from the streets, but just because it originated from the streets does not mean it is "culture". Sorry, I just don't think it is culture. IF you think 2pac, Snoop Dog, Dr. Dre. and the rest of the so-called rappers of the 90's are contributing to "culture" then you really need think about what a culture truly is. How can it be a "culture" when it can not evolve?

BTW, there are some people who are NOT racists. If you are a devout and true Christian, then racism has no place in your life. I have nothing to prove to you.

NO, I am not a Christian. I am agnostic, which means that I believe in somthing beyond death, but I do not follow a certain religious creed. However, since I am Armenian I can not avoid the influences of Christianity on my daily life. I feel that religion is important because it does shape who you are, but if you just mindlessly believe in it then eventually it will dictate your life and, frankly, I already have more factors dictating my life and don't more.

Futhermore, religion contridicts it self. For instance, if indeed God is this "holier than thou" firgure then why does he or she employ avenging angles like Gabriel and Michael? Why does God need to seek "revenge" if he in fact is a benevalent God? The way I see it is that God himself is not as stupid as to discard ALL the options in front of him. God is ruthless when he needs to be ruthlessa and is benevalent when he needs to be benevalent, so, to assume that humans have to be "good" when in fact God is anything but "good" is a bit hypocritical and self-defeating.

Sorry, if I went off topic, but since you brought God into it I decided to expand on it a bit. :)

And I have been working successfully in the medical field as a health-care professional for the last 5 years...............(so someone who emulates "stoners" as you suggest CAN indeed become a doctor....) Although I don't emulate (I appreciate, always have), and I don't consider these artists as "stoners". I never said that either.

I do not know you in real life, so, I can not comment on your acheivments. Also, saying that you are in the health care field can equite to many things, so, I doubt you are a "doctor". However, there are exceptions to every rule, which is why I am not going to break your balls on this one, but in general, if you "hang around" with individuals that have no goals you it will eventually rub off on you. Now, I know that most of you will say "no, it doesnt", but we all know better then that. I do not care who you are, but if you hand around a avid herion users studies suggest that you will eventually become one, so, to assume that your social circle has no bearing on your future is bit a ridiculous. EVERYTHING you do represents who you are as a person. From the friends you have to the car you drive, now, I am not saying that this is a "good thing", but in general the first thing people notice is your image not your risidual self-image. What I mean risidual self-image is the image you want to portray. In general, people tend to have their own mold of you just based on your image and hanging around stoners or losers in general will always push you in that camp.

I also never suggested that blacks think it's Ok to call themselves nigger. THEY THEMSELVES HAVE SAID IT on many many many occasions over the years. Now the term "they" is obviously a loose term, as many (especially) older afro-americans are against this word. But to my knowledge and experience, the majority of younger blacks (not all of course) do use the term very lightly (nigga=brother=partner=homie=man=etc....). I've had alot of my black friends call me "nigga" on many occasions ("wassup nigga how you been?"). In response, I have never returned the favour...It's as if the word doesn't mean a whole lot anymore, like it used to before the 70's. I've heard many respected black entertainers like Richard Pryor,Chuck D & KRS-One suggest that it is like reverse psychology. Their belief and argument is that racists will have to come up with newer terms, because "nigger" holds no more weight. Their philosphy is: How can they hurt us with a word that no longer means much to us...

Sorry, I do not want to be rude and I hope you understand that differences in opinion tends to bring people together, but I have to call bullxxxx on this one. First of all, most of the "rappers" use the word "nigga" more often then the word "African-American", now, you may think that this "ok", but it is truly sad how their ancestors struggled for years so that a white man would have enough respect to refer to them as a African-Americans, thus, their equal.

Just because KRS, Chuck D, and Richard Prior, who are anything but "respected" African-Americans think it is ok to use the word "nigga"
does not make it ok to use the word "nigga". I do not consider them "respected" African-Americans seeing as to how they are not educated and thus, not part of the African-American elite and intellecutals. If somone like Bill Cosby was to say that using the word "nigga" was ok, then, yes, I would not care, but respect African-Americans like Bill Cosby condemn the word "nigga" because it places them below the "white man", hence, taking everything that African-Americans struggled for down the drain.

I do not know if you read the article I posted here a while back, but you should check it out. If you can not find it please let me know and I can PM it to you. Anyways, Bill Cosby talks about this very same subject and I think you would find what he has to say about the African-American community directly parallels the actions of the Armenian community. For instance, Armenians can offord nice cars and homes, but yet put their kids to work in order to attain these luxories. The youth finds it ok to pay 500 dollor car payments, but yet resent paying for tuition, books, and in general a eduaction.

Blacks fully understand the struggle of over 400 years (BTW)....I also never implied that they SIMPLY use the word to make $$$$. Blacks in the entertainment business make $$$ from everything else that I mentioned. I was trying to imply that they are making easy money with the whole superficiality of this entire conglomerate of things (I should have been more clear on that last sentence. i shouldn't have JUST used the that term...my wrong)...

Well, yes, a few "blacks" are making money off the image of African-Americans, but yet what image are they portraying? DO you honestly think the messages of these rappers does not affect their communties? You have the youth using words like "xxxxx" or "xxxxx" To refer to woman, now, you may think I am "generalizing", but it is the truth. Latly, this kind of "backwardness" is beginning to infiltrate the Armenian community in which you have Armenian guys refering to Armenian girls as "xxxxxs" or you have Armenian girls buying into the "bling bling" ghetto fabulos image. If you think I am xxxxing with you then by all means come down Los Angeles and you will see MANY Armenians emulating black culture.

big difference between "nigga" and "nigger".....

NO, just because you attach "a" at the end because you can not pronounce "nigger" does not meant it makes a difference. The fact remains that "nigga" refers to "nigger", but because they have used it for so long it has become the equivalent of calling somone a "African-American". I would like to make sure you do not buy into the excuses made by the rappers. They make money by exploiting their own kind and if it was not African-Americans like Bill Cosby I would totally lose respect for them. I just hope Armenians don't adopt the victim mentality to the point of blaming everything on others. Yes, it is true Armenians have a tragic past, but let us at least make a better future for descendents. Instead of relating to groups that have not amounted to anything significant EVER let us look towards groups that have amounted to somthing and learn from them.

Oh, don't take this personally, I respect your opinion and have nothing against it. Hell, I just reply because if I don't no one will either because they are scared or don't know any better, peace.

[djsinister]

Much respect to your comments and opinions Virgil. We definitely have different viewpoints..

And, yes, I know that amongst other things, Bill Cosby is an avid anti-"n-word" advocate...

I like Bill Cosby and i honestly understand his viewpoints. I actually have no problems with his standpoint. The bottom-line is that alot of younger blacks unfortunately don't look up to stalwarts like Cosby anymore. But, key players like Chuck D, Spike Lee, Russell Simmons, P-Diddy, and KRS (who are the forefathers of new-school rap and hip-hop culture) have the highest respect for Bill Cosby. They have never said anything against Cosby. It's just that they know more about what black youth are going through right now. They are more hip to what their youth are thinking...These are the new black intellectuals. They are the ones who are replacing Frantz Fanon, Marcus Garvey, W.E.B. du Bois, Black Panther Party, Angela Davis, Malcolm X, H Rap Brown, etc.....

The same thing goes for Diane Warwick, who also spoke out against rap about 12 years ago if i'm not mistaken. Everyone just passed her off as a senial old woman.....

I invite you to do a search on Chuck D of Public Enemy (if you want to), and you'll see what i mean.

BTW, I'm a physiotherapist, only because I chose to be one.

Peace.

[MadHandle]

BTW, some intelligent rap artists:

Chuck D (Public Enemy)
Common
The Roots
Goodie Mob
Ras Kass
Saafir
KRS-One
Master Ace
Kam
Jeru The Damaja
Sho
Willie D
Stetsasonic
Just-Ice
Poor Rigteous Teachers
Confrontation Camp
Sister Souljah

......



you need an update...whatever happened to Immortal Technique, dilated peoples, mf doom(or whatever he calls himself now...), oddities, Mad Skillz, canibus, jedi mind tricks, and maybe even talkib kweli, mos def and nas...

[HyeJinx1984]

Damn, where tha love? And add Krayzie bone to that list! He ma' Nigga!

[djsinister]

you need an update...whatever happened to Immortal Technique, dilated peoples, mf doom(or whatever he calls himself now...), oddities, Mad Skillz, canibus, jedi mind tricks, and maybe even talkib kweli, mos def and nas...

Real music is timeless...I still rock PE, Professor Griff, and BDP on the regular.

But like i said, I am not following rap as much as I used to, but I would definitely add some artists that you mentioned, and that I forgot:

Talib Kweli & Hi Tek
Mos Def
Nas (some of his material)
MF Doom

I don't know about the others. Although I own one Dilated peoples album, I don't find them to be worthy of that list. Don't get me wrong. I still find they rock (and their DJ, Babu is serious), but can't put em in the same league as Chuck D...

My 2 cents...

[Virgil]

Much respect to your comments and opinions Virgil. We definitely have different viewpoints..

And, yes, I know that amongst other things, Bill Cosby is an avid anti-"n-word" advocate...

I like Bill Cosby and i honestly understand his viewpoints. I actually have no problems with his standpoint. The bottom-line is that alot of younger blacks unfortunately don't look up to stalwarts like Cosby anymore. But, key players like Chuck D, Spike Lee, Russell Simmons, P-Diddy, and KRS (who are the forefathers of new-school rap and hip-hop culture) have the highest respect for Bill Cosby. They have never said anything against Cosby. It's just that they know more about what black youth are going through right now. They are more hip to what their youth are thinking...These are the new black intellectuals. They are the ones who are replacing Frantz Fanon, Marcus Garvey, W.E.B. du Bois, Black Panther Party, Angela Davis, Malcolm X, H Rap Brown, etc.....

The same thing goes for Diane Warwick, who also spoke out against rap about 12 years ago if i'm not mistaken. Everyone just passed her off as a senial old woman.....

I invite you to do a search on Chuck D of Public Enemy (if you want to), and you'll see what i mean.

BTW, I'm a physiotherapist, only because I chose to be one.

Peace.

Sinester, Much respect to you to. I will try to read up on Chuck D. I know he was in Public Enemy and all, but havn't really read anything on him as of late, but will check it out, thanks. :)

[Anonymouse]

I was once a gangster. I had this idea that if I were a gangstar, maybe those Asian guys at Liquor stores would be afraid of me, and would simply let me walk out as I carried my Rockstar Energy Drink ( which I also hoped would give me wings ). I also hoped when I was a gangster that one day people would talk about my old style on internet forums, and here I am, participating in JUST THAT!