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If I remember correctly, the Dutch police found (and took over) a Kurdish camp where Kurds were being trained and sent to Armenia... What would this really mean? Is there a region in Armenia where there's a strong Kurdish presence, and where they would be thinking of independence? Or were these Kurds being sent in a Kurdish camp in Armenia, so that they prepare their ''thing'' against Turkey safely? :confused:
There are christian Kurds called Yezdis, I believe.
Although I am not a big fan of Kurds, I have no problem if they start a rebellion against TUrkey. Not my phucking problem.
Pyunik, I'd rather support Kurds in their struggle, than Turkey... They remind me of late 19th century Armenians.
IAmMadAtAC
01-02-2005, 07:23 AM
I don't understand why we should not root for the Kurds.
1. They can start territorial problems with Turkey.
2. They might even take some of our historical lands from Turkey. Wouldn't that be better than Turkey having them?? Since we have been having good relations with them lately and have been helping them out, perhaps they would repay us with free movement around the territories, giving us a chance to do things like climb Ararat, restore Aghtamar and Ani, etc. If they were REALLY nice they'd even give us a little bit of land but that is more than doubtful. Regardless though, wouldn't our lands under the control of a former enemy be better than our lands under the control of a current enemy?
Why are you so sure they will never get the lands of Eastern Turkey Pyunik? The freaking entire population of Eastern Turkey is already overwhelmingly majority Kurd, and with the independence movement due to come from the Iraq civil war there is a good chance they'd want to join together into one. I wouldn't say never with this case.
TigranJamharian
01-02-2005, 12:11 PM
There are christian Kurds called Yezdis, I believe.
Although I am not a big fan of Kurds, I have no problem if they start a rebellion against TUrkey. Not my phucking problem.
theyre not christians, they are just what they are called, yezidi. its a mixture of islam and zoroastrianism. most of the 60,000 or so kurds in Armenia are yezdi.
I don't understand why we should not root for the Kurds.
1. They can start territorial problems with Turkey.
Although it will hurt TUrkey, it may very well hurt Armenia as well. Turkish propaganda can claim that ARmenians have helped train Kurds, and with such terrorist and rebelious acts soo close to Armenia, who would want to risk their investments there? Another problem is that you can kiss the open border with TUrkey good bye, which would bring in plenty of money.
2. They might even take some of our historical lands from Turkey. Wouldn't that be better than Turkey having them?? Since we have been having good relations with them lately and have been helping them out, perhaps they would repay us with free movement around the territories, giving us a chance to do things like climb Ararat, restore Aghtamar and Ani, etc. If they were REALLY nice they'd even give us a little bit of land but that is more than doubtful.
Once again, they are not going to give anything to Armenia. They themselves have enough inner problem, let them handle their own situation.
Regardless though, wouldn't our lands under the control of a former enemy be better than our lands under the control of a current enemy?
Turkey is a better enemy than the Kurds. I really do not think Turkey is a CURRENT enemy. The Kurds, if gained that land, could easily come after Armenia. They have no treaties signed with anyone and a war with the Kurds would be fair game. At least with Turkey you know there is the CFE and NATO would not really care about taking Armenia militarily.
Why are you so sure they will never get the lands of Eastern Turkey Pyunik? The freaking entire population of Eastern Turkey is already overwhelmingly majority Kurd, and with the independence movement due to come from the Iraq civil war there is a good chance they'd want to join together into one. I wouldn't say never with this case.
Much like the situation with Armenians, they are united when they are threatened. If they get these lands, there will be soo much bickering that Turkey can retake it in a flash ;)
IAmMadAtAC
01-02-2005, 02:42 PM
Turkey is a better enemy than the Kurds. I really do not think Turkey is a CURRENT enemy. The Kurds, if gained that land, could easily come after Armenia. They have no treaties signed with anyone and a war with the Kurds would be fair game. At least with Turkey you know there is the CFE and NATO would not really care about taking Armenia militarily.
While I don't quite agree with some of what you said overall, you had some good points in the part I quoted above. But as you said, they have enough internal problems, so why would they attack Armenia? While it is true they are dangerous with no treaties to reign them in, I don't really understand why they'd attack Armenia. Talk about bad foreign policy, if you say Armenia's is bad imagine the Kurds attack their ONLY allied neighbor. It seems you don't understand that wars do not arise at the drop of a hat and attribute their causes to things much more spur of the moment. If you can give me good reasons as to why the Kurds will conquer Armenia I might concede it's possible, but right now, esp. with our Russian border guards, I can understand no feasable reason why the currently friendly Kurds would have to attack little Armenia, seeing as it has huge Turkey on the other side to deal with. I say we back the Kurds, not necesarrily give them all kinds of stuff and actively support them, but behind the scenes we should root for them.
If they get these lands, there will be soo much bickering that Turkey can retake it in a flash
No, because I'm saying the Kurds, if someone we got lucky and they gave something, it'd only been small areas bordering Armenia. There'd still be a lot of Kurdistan between us and Turkey, and so for them to conquer those lands back they'd have to conquer through Kurdistan first. More likely we won't get any land but at least I think we'd have more access to our historic lands and sites. After all, anything is more than the current zero.
Wht difference does it make? Turkey is not going to attack Armenia. Giving the Kurds land is going to create a rogue nation right next to Armenia.
xBaron Dants
01-02-2005, 02:53 PM
By supporting the Kurdish cause, you give validity to their claims over Armenian lands.
Kurds in Armenia as an ethnic minority are respected, just like any ethnic minority should be respected. Many of them even volunteered during the Artsakh Liberation movement, because many feel that they are citizens of Armenia. Our relationship should not go beyond that, in my humble opinion.
Interests change, and so do your allies. By supporting the Kurds now, it might bite us in the a$$ later.
IAmMadAtAC
01-02-2005, 03:00 PM
Interests change, and so do your allies. By supporting the Kurds now, it might bite us in the a$$ later.
Yes this is a definite possibility I am worried about as well. I guess now's not a good time for a Kurdistan in Turkey, at least not until the genocide issue is finally resolved, which could be years.
Yes this is a definite possibility I am worried about as well. I guess now's not a good time for a Kurdistan in Turkey, at least not until the genocide issue is finally resolved, which could be years.
Not even! You want to support a people fighting against Turkey who is America's ally which has the power over Georgia and Azeristan. Using those two nations they cn easily hurt Armenia.
You stay out of their mess, they stay out of yours.
IAmMadAtAC
01-02-2005, 07:37 PM
If you have or know of any Armenians who escaped the genocide, or are from Turkey, go ask them what their Grandparents, and so on, think of Kurds. Or, read about what they did. Then, maybe, you will understand.
Oh I very well understand, I know genocide stories and the big role Kurds played in them.
IAmMadAtAC
01-02-2005, 07:48 PM
And you still wish to support them?
No, I think we should overall stay out. Mostly since being in league with the PKK makes us look like terrorists. And of course they are stupid followers who were responsible for a great deal of the Armenian deaths in the genocide, though now we can't ignore the fact that we are both victims of the Turks.
They did play a big role during the Armenian Genocide, but they have recognized the Armenian Genocide and what certain Kurdish tribes did by selling themselves to Turks was a big mistake for Kurdistan.
Throughout all of history, the Ottomans used the Kurds as a tool against Armenians. Earlier Sultans relocated Kurds to parts of Western Armenia to balance the number of Christians and Muslims. Later on during the Genocide, the Turks promised them a Kurdistan if they help them out against the Armenians, and used Islam (and money) to motivate them more. (I guess the Kurds forgot that the real goal was to create a pan-TURKIC state.) They needed them because they, who had become natives of Western Armenia, knew where cetain Armenian villages or possible hideouts were located...
So this is how we can put it: the tip of the sword was Kurdish, but the bloody hand controling it was Turkish.
Now, ge zkhtchan for what they did to us. If they had helped us, we probably would have succeeded in the Revolution and Kurdistan would have been our southern neighbour.
So this is how we can put it: the tip of the sword was Kurdish, but the bloody hand controling it was Turkish.
Now, ge zkhtchan for what they did to us. If they had helped us, we probably would have succeeded in the Revolution and Kurdistan would have been our southern neighbour.
listen, crack head, there was no revolution. The hand was Turkish, the mind was xxxish.
listen, crack head, there was no revolution
Have you ever been to an Armenian school? Didn't they teach you about the ''Haygagan Heghapokhoutyoun''? I guess not. Some call the revolution ''widespread revolts''...
IAmMadAtAC
01-02-2005, 09:23 PM
Have you ever been to an Armenian school? Didn't they teach you about the ''Haygagan Heghapokhoutyoun''? I guess not. Some call the revolution ''widespread revolts''...
Well while there was some revolting, that is mostly what the Turks want the world to think. Widespread is by far an exaggeration. My family stories past down about the genocide include the Armenians joining the Turkish army when they would come to town conscripting them (and then would be taken and killed). Clearly if these towns were in "widespread revolt" they would have refused to even go. Another of my ancestors was a policeman in another town and again only by his connections in law enforcement was he able to gain passage for his family to escape. If Armenians were in revolt he wouldn't have been able to. Much of the revolutionary activity that occured was in 1915 and on, in response to the genocide. I have an ancestor who fought with Antranik, but he joined like many others after April 24 when he knew Armenians were being killed and needed to be defended. There was not a great deal of all-out revolts before the killings began, and the vast majority of Armenians were totally innocent people getting caught up in it.
Have you ever been to an Armenian school? Didn't they teach you about the ''Haygagan Heghapokhoutyoun''? I guess not. Some call the revolution ''widespread revolts''...
Yeah I have, and I hated it. It was BS that didnt teach me anything. Plus, they kept me in the same grade for 6 years, my sister caught up with me! Why? well, whenever I was to move up (every 2 years) some other kids who were friends with the majority of the upper class took my spot. I quit, and told them I was never returning because I went over the same phucking material for 6 phuking years!!!
Same. I've heard stories of relatives being dragged off to "join the army and fight in the war", wearing only pants. Haha, being marched to war barefoot and without a uniform. But they had no choice, I think they knew, they would either die in front of their family or wherever they were being taken too, so they marched.
:(
I want to make them march. One day.
The stories I have heard are even worse.
My grandfather tells me how they locked up his father's friends in a church and put ONE Turkish gaurd in front of it. When one of the family members who had escaped came during night to bribe the gaurd to give him his daughters back, the gaurd accepted and gave the daughters back while the others in the church just sat there, like sheep.
Stories of lines of Armenians numbering hundreds but only 10 or so Turkish soldiers, marching to their deaths, LIKE SHEEP.
The Armenians during the Genocide were sheeps. The ones who took to the mountains and fought were a different breed of Armenians compared to the majority of the sheep that died...
IAmMadAtAC
01-03-2005, 07:00 AM
Stories of lines of Armenians numbering hundreds but only 10 or so Turkish soldiers, marching to their deaths, LIKE SHEEP.
I find calling them sheep to be insulting and disrespectful. You are forgetting that the men were often killed off first, under the guise of helping the army. Also all their weapons had already been taken away. So you expect a bunch of women, children, and old people to go against Turks with guns? Even if there are a lot of Armenians, just a few Turks with guns is enough to keep them in line.
I find calling them sheep to be insulting and disrespectful. You are forgetting that the men were often killed off first, under the guise of helping the army. Also all their weapons had already been taken away. So you expect a bunch of women, children, and old people to go against Turks with guns? Even if there are a lot of Armenians, just a few Turks with guns is enough to keep them in line.
The truth hurts.
IAmMadAtAC
01-03-2005, 02:17 PM
The truth hurts.
Ughh you alway make these short little responses that add nothing to the subject at hand. As I said, in my family stories as well as the well known history of the genocide, the men were taken first, leaving the women and children for the death marches. If you can tell me how thousands of starving Armenian children and mayrigs could have overtaken a band of Turkish soldiers in the desert, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise don't belittle their memory by calling them sheep that let everything that happened happen to them. Man, not only are you wrong about the current state of Armenia, but your Armenian history views suck too. And don't' you dare just say something like the truth hurts to respond, I want a real addressing of the issues I brought up on why you were wrong.
HyeJinx1984
01-03-2005, 02:23 PM
Finally, someone who's Armenian history is worse than mine :p
Ughh you alway make these short little responses that add nothing to the subject at hand. As I said, in my family stories as well as the well known history of the genocide, the men were taken first, leaving the women and children for the death marches. If you can tell me how thousands of starving Armenian children and mayrigs could have overtaken a band of Turkish soldiers in the desert, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise don't belittle their memory by calling them sheep that let everything that happened happen to them. Man, not only are you wrong about the current state of Armenia, but your Armenian history views suck too. And don't' you dare just say something like the truth hurts to respond, I want a real addressing of the issues I brought up on why you were wrong.
There were many men who escaped. I just explained to you how a man who escaped came to bribe a single Turkish gaurd.
XxgoeyxX
01-03-2005, 02:28 PM
The truth hurts.
Wow Hayq, you disappoint me. Though, my opinion about you doesnt matter I still think you are being way to immature, but that has to do with your age. Thank you for saying things like that about our ancestor's. All I know is thank God that your great grandparents survived the Gencoide. If they did. If they were in it at all.
You talk about Armenians not being united and yet, you call some of them sheep. Very well done hayq.
Edit: I just read over your comment about your grandfather. I guess they were in it.
IAmMadAtAC
01-03-2005, 02:41 PM
There were many men who escaped. I just explained to you how a man who escaped came to bribe a single Turkish gaurd.
Uhh of course men escaped. Did I ever say they didn't? The Turks and Kurds during the genocide were not omnipresent and did not have the capability of murdering every single Armenian man. This does not mean they were able to pick up a gun and start shooting at Turks, many were just trying to escape and survive. Also, the bribe that one man had was probably to help him get out of the country, not some sort of magic thing that made him invicible to Turks. Most of the gamavours were ones either coming back from the Diaspora and lived in areas not affected by the genocide. Those in the areas directly affected were more busy trying to survive than to go and fight back. That's what happens when you are in such terrible conditions. I resent you passing judgement on our ancestors as weak without ever having gone through the situation yourself. If you had lost everything and was sent out into the desert, I'd like to see your singlehandedly start an insurrection of starving old people, women, and children with no weapons against Turks with guns. Even if they succeeded the Kurds would have gotten them, completely unprotected now. Trying to say what the genocide victims should have done when you well know they were in an impossible situation is plain idiotic.
Wow Hayq, you disappoint me. Though, my opinion about you doesnt matter I still think you are being way to immature, but that has to do with your age. Thank you for saying things like that about our ancestor's. All I know is thank God that your great grandparents survived the Gencoide. If they did. If they were in it at all.
Edit: I just read over your comment about your grandfather. Never mind the last two sentences of my post.
A lot of my family members died. But that is in the past.
Relax. The one thing Armenians can learn from this is that they are very split on issues. We could have won, many Armenians knew of what was going to happen, but they either ran or kept their mouths shut. Why did the Armenians go join the Ottoman Army? Because they were not very bright and like the sheep they are they follow their leader.
IAmMadAtAC
01-03-2005, 02:45 PM
Why did the Armenians go join the Ottoman Army? Because they were not very bright and like the sheep they are they follow their leader.
Do you know what I love the most about this statement. How you have the gaul to criticize Armenians for being loyal to their nation's army when the Turks of today say the genocide happened because the Armenians were traitors who got what they deserved by rebelling!
So on one side we have Hayq saying the genocide happened because we never rebelled and were too loyal, and the Turks say the genocide happened because we didn't join the Ottoman army and went into all out rebellion! What the hell, we have two interpretations of history to explain the same event, and I think BOTH of them are stupid and wrong.
Also, ironic how you call Armenians "not bright" when they were the freaking intellectuals of the Ottoman Empire. When we were gone Turkey went stupid cause we were the backbone holding them up, intellectually, economically, etc.
That's what happens when you are in such terrible conditions. I resent you passing judgement on our ancestors as weak without ever having gone through the situation yourself. If you had lost everything and was sent out into the desert, I'd like to see your singlehandedly start an insurrection of starving old people, women, and children with no weapons against Turks with guns. Even if they succeeded the Kurds would have gotten them, completely unprotected now. Trying to say what the genocide victims should have done when you well know they were in an impossible situation is plain idiotic.
Check it out, if they would have told me I was to join the Ottoman Army, I would think, "Gee, they tried to get us before in the late 80s, so why trust them?"
I would never be sent to the desert, my good man. Because only sheep believe that after all teh murder that has gone on around you, that you are going to be sent to a safe place to live.
Here is another thing, Armenians say that Turks are stupid, if this was true, they would have easily taken teh weapons from the Turks when they were asleep. It is HIGHLY possible, it has happened MANY times in other events.
I am talking about before 1915. What idiots believe such a thing with so much evidence before them, with so much aid being given by Russia and they just join the phucking Turkish Army? No...they died like sheep...
Also, ironic how you call Armenians "not bright" when they were the freaking intellectuals of the Ottoman Empire. When we were gone Turkey went stupid cause we were the backbone holding them up, intellectually, economically, etc.
Intellectuals were in Istanbul, and the majority of which were excluded from the Genocide.
XxgoeyxX
01-03-2005, 02:54 PM
A lot of my family members died. But that is in the past.
Relax. The one thing Armenians can learn from this is that they are very split on issues. We could have won, many Armenians knew of what was going to happen, but they either ran or kept their mouths shut. Why did the Armenians go join the Ottoman Army? Because they were not very bright and like the sheep they are they follow their leader.
No, Hayq don’t tell me to relax about my people. Don’t you dare call my great grandparents sheep or even state they wanted to get killed. Don’t blame them for being murdered. I was not there, nor did I see any of it, but they are in my soul. I will not forget that. Just because something is in the past you can’t just forget it and say oh well lets move on shall we. Dear I dont know. You're just full of contradiction.
Sometimes I dont know if I should pinch your cheeks or kick your butt.
IAmMadAtAC
01-03-2005, 03:00 PM
Intellectuals were in Istanbul, and the majority of which were excluded from the Genocide.
EXCLUDED?! YOU IDIOT! SIAMANTO! KRIKOR ZOHRAB! TANIEL VAROUJAN! The freaking genocide STARTED with the execution of the intellectuals. You are such a xxxxing troll I can't even stand it anymore
IAmMadAtAC
01-03-2005, 03:09 PM
Calm down. He is serious, not a troll. He is just suffering from a heavy dose of white supremacism.
Yeah I know he' serious. I called him a troll to hold me back from aying worse. I can't stand ignorance and ignorant peoplpe who pretend like they know everything. People like Hayq seriously should not talk about these things, when he's proved countless times he has no real clue.
No, Hayq don’t tell me to relax about my people. Don’t you dare call my great grandparents sheep or even state they wanted to get killed. Don’t blame them for being murdered. I was not there, nor did I see any of it, but they are in my soul. I will not forget that. Just because something is in the past you can’t just forget it and say oh well lets move on shall we. Dear I dont know. You're just full of contradiction.
Sometimes I dont know if I should pinch your cheeks or kick your butt.
Lets all stop, and cry for a phucking minute or two about your great grandparents. Let everyone cry for the past. :crying:
Nothing changes, nothing matters. If you want Armenia to be better, you have to forget a lot of things that have happened in the past. You have to start with a clean piece of paper.
Hayq, man, shutup. If you were there at age 16 the biggest "resistance" you would have put up would have been the xxxx in your pants, which would have caused people to not approach you for a short while.
You're the kind that talks and talks whilst it's "all cool" but then, when the time comes you'll be silent.
Are you telling me, with your knowledge of Past Attorcities, attrocities commited against Pontics, and other atrocities in the Balkans, YOU WOULD STILL go to the Ottoman Army?
No, moron. Intellectuals were some of the first to go.
Many died, a lot of escaped, in Istanbul, the genocide was more or less unevident because of the large number of Europeans in the area.
XxgoeyxX
01-03-2005, 03:29 PM
Lets all stop, and cry for a phucking minute or two about your great grandparents. Let everyone cry for the past. :crying:
Nothing changes, nothing matters. If you want Armenia to be better, you have to forget a lot of things that have happened in the past. You have to start with a clean piece of paper.
Lets all stop and cry cause you're a idiot. :crying:
sniff sniff.
You're worse then that troll obi. And yet I like you for some reason. :D
xBaron Dants
01-03-2005, 03:29 PM
Intellectuals were in Istanbul, and the majority of which were excluded from the Genocide.
The reason why we commemorate the genocide on April 24th is because that is the date when all the intellectuals were rounded up by the Ottomans.
Yeah I know he' serious. I called him a troll to hold me back from aying worse. I can't stand ignorance and ignorant peoplpe who pretend like they know everything. People like Hayq seriously should not talk about these things, when he's proved countless times he has no real clue.
Maybe I have no clue, but the way you say it is as if Armenians had no fault. Human stupidity does a lot of damage. Even after the Genocide, the government failed because of corruption and the failure to agree with one another, AFTER the Genocide which proved that Armenians were very split and needed to unite, the ARmenians were still disunited, each one believing he is a king.
Are telling me they actually had a choice?
And tell me, do you have hair on your head?
You always have a phucking CHOICE. There were sooo few Turks in the Ottoman Empire. 10mln Turks, 2mln Armenians. Most Turks were busy fighting, it was something we Armenians could have easily won. If you think I dont care that people died, you're wrong. However, I am not going to say "oh, we had no choice." Of course, you see your overlords are turning against you, and you join their Army?
The reason why we commemorate the genocide on April 24th is because that is the date when all the intellectuals were rounded up by the Ottomans.
I am aware of that. Do you know that many of these intellectuals were also allowed to escape?
Lets all stop and cry cause you're a idiot. :crying:
sniff sniff.
You're worse then that troll obi. And yet I like you for some reason. :D
lol because I am not British?
Obi has not been to Armenia and does not have contact with ARmenians.
xBaron Dants
01-03-2005, 03:36 PM
You always have a phucking CHOICE. There were sooo few Turks in the Ottoman Empire. 10mln Turks, 2mln Armenians. Most Turks were busy fighting, it was something we Armenians could have easily won. If you think I dont care that people died, you're wrong. However, I am not going to say "oh, we had no choice." Of course, you see your overlords are turning against you, and you join their Army?
NO use denying that our political movements were at their infancy and none had the insight nor the ability to do anything competent.
NO use denying that our political movements were at their infancy and none had the insight nor the ability to do anything competent.
They may have been at their infancy, but we were comming out of something that was supposed to unite our race, but the leaders pocketed a lot of money and jamed to France.
xBaron Dants
01-03-2005, 03:40 PM
They may have been at their infancy, but we were comming out of something that was supposed to unite our race, but the leaders pocketed a lot of money and jamed to France.
I'm not making any excuses by saying that they were at their infancy. They failed, and failed miserably. I still don't understand how our main parties were being operated from London, Geneva, etc..
jgm1975
01-03-2005, 05:33 PM
I'm not making any excuses by saying that they were at their infancy. They failed, and failed miserably. I still don't understand how our main parties were being operated from London, Geneva, etc..
I think that their main failure was that they were so naive. When the Russians and British were arguing for better conditions for Armenians, they were doing so for their own political interests, not out of love for Armenians. Many Armenian political leaders before the Genocide very badly misinterpreted that "support" as an indication that they could start a revolt. That was the main strategic mistake. The other mistake, this one more tactical, was to forget the fact that the Armenians in Constantinople were just one fraction of the total Armenian populace. While some of the intellectual elite in Constantinople were arguing for Armenian emancipation, the Armenians in the Anatolian hinterland were extremely vulnerable, as they were not very armed at first, had little education to understand the political gravity of the situation, and they were far from the sight of foreign diplomats.
IAmMadAtAC
01-03-2005, 05:39 PM
Yes I agree with jgm. The bulk of Armenians were from the hinterlands of Western Armenia, and they were just simple peasants. They had no idea of the gravity of world affairs and probably paid little mind to things outside their village. How were they to understand they were about to be caught up in a genocide.
It was the nationalistic feelings of the time that encouraged the intellectuals to seek independence, something that occured throughout Europe, though now Turkey sees it as a justification for genocide.
Yes I agree with jgm. The bulk of Armenians were from the hinterlands of Western Armenia, and they were just simple peasants. They had no idea of the gravity of world affairs and probably paid little mind to things outside their village. How were they to understand they were about to be caught up in a genocide.
It was the nationalistic feelings of the time that encouraged the intellectuals to seek independence, something that occured throughout Europe, though now Turkey sees it as a justification for genocide.
I dont believe this independence sh!t even happened. So what you are saying, it is because of the intellectuals who were speaking for the rest of the people, this genocide happened. BOO!
The Genocide was nothing more than an economic move tooken by the xxxs to gain control of Baku.
The Armenian intellectuals knew about it and the majority of them ran away instead of stay.
The Armenians who fought were true Armenians because they knew of the hell that was about to come.
The rest just died out of ignorance.
IAmMadAtAC
01-03-2005, 06:18 PM
The Genocide was nothing more than an economic move tooken by the xxxs to gain control of Baku.
OK I know you are extremely anti-Semitic but please! Using the xxxs are the impetus for EVERYTHINg wrong EVER really lessens your creditability. Shall we blame the genocide of the native Americans on the xxxs as well? Seriously, not everything in history can be brought back to the xxxs and it's best to not rely on them being the reason for everything bad. It just makes you look stupid to blame them for absolutely everything.
OK I know you are extremely anti-Semitic but please! Using the xxxs are the impetus for EVERYTHINg wrong EVER really lessens your creditability. Shall we blame the genocide of the native Americans on the xxxs as well? Seriously, not everything in history can be brought back to the xxxs and it's best to not rely on them being the reason for everything bad. It just makes you look stupid to blame them for absolutely everything.
I am not bringing everything in history to the xxxs. I acknowledge the smart xxxs and good ones, but there is too many of them that are just plain ZIONISTS. :evil: Lol I am not extremely anti-semitic, if I were, I would have beaten up the xxxs at school...I am a deeply LOVING an CARING person. :p
Genocide of Native Americans was clearly the fault of Greedy White settlers who were failures in Western Europe.
You are right about one thing, showing the dark side of the Kikes is a very bad thing, you get rediculed and they degrade you. Because American media and education system is dominated by them, every year we watch a movie on the holocaust. I can tell a Mexican, straight in his face, that all Mexicans are vile pieces of filth...thy wont do anything. But if I tell a Mexican that the xxxs are not good people (just as simple as that), you should see how they stand up for them. YAY WE AGREE!
No. No, you wouldn't have.
YOU LIE!
You just draw swastikas on desks. That is the extent of your anti-semitic actions.
Swastika? haha. I dont do anything, its not a smart move to make any kidn of anti-semitic action without proper backing...which i dont have.
YOU! LIE! AGAIN !
Stop the lies. Before they multiplies.
Belsen was a gas I heard the other day
In the open graves where the xxxs all lay
Life is fun and I wish you were here
They wrote on postcards to those held dear
Oh dear oh dear oh dear
HAhahahahahahahahahaa....keep it up....
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