armenians being the first nation to accept christianity

[joint1]

A few day prior to the 90th anniversary of our ancestors being tortured,raped,killed burned and experiencing things that no other human should ever experience.
My story is that a G-7 hoping everyone knows what that means
I was talking about the subject and mentioned to that person that we were the first nation to accept christianity and he tells me NO! in my face.
I was so pissed off I said YES WE WERE! back in his/her face.
And the I replied back to him/her "I will bring that info in writing".
He says " Don't bother I won't believe you then as well".
So I want to share this story with everyone and tell you
that Evil is everywhere even back in 1915.
Don't let anyone ever hurt you.

[HyerThanYou]

A few day prior to the 90th anniversary of our ancestors being tortured,raped,killed burned and experiencing things that no other human should ever experience.
My story is that a G-7 hoping everyone knows what that means
I was talking about the subject and mentioned to that person that we were the first nation to accept christianity and he tells me NO! in my face.
I was so pissed off I said YES WE WERE! back in his/her face.
And the I replied back to him/her "I will bring that info in writing".
He says " Don't bother I won't believe you then as well".
So I want to share this story with everyone and tell you
that Evil is everywhere even back in 1915.
Don't let anyone ever hurt you.its good you say armenia is the first nation...instead of saying Armenians were the first christians because we werent .

[bell-the-cat]

I was talking about the subject and mentioned to that person that we were the first nation to accept christianity and he tells me NO! in my face.
I was so pissed off I said YES WE WERE! back in his/her face.
And the I replied back to him/her "I will bring that info in writing".


Why do you think it is important for you to be saying that Armenia was the first nation to accept Christianity? The circumstances that caused it to come about are not ones that anyone should be particularly proud of. Armenia became, as you put it "the first nation to accept Christianity" because it was an oriental-style despotic state. Whatever the King decided was true (whether it was a sincere belief or just for political reasons) had to be true for everyone, under threat of death.

[Ashuri62]

Why do you think it is important for you to be saying that Armenia was the first nation to accept Christianity? The circumstances that caused it to come about are not ones that anyone should be particularly proud of. Armenia became, as you put it "the first nation to accept Christianity" because it was an oriental-style despotic state. Whatever the King decided was true (whether it was a sincere belief or just for political reasons) had to be true for everyone, under threat of death.

I think it is very important that Armenia was the first nation to accept Christianity. As for "whatever the King decided was true", thats how most civilizations at the time operated. Thats how the Holy Roman Empire came into bieng. Nothing wrong with that.

[TigranJamharian]

Why do you think it is important for you to be saying that Armenia was the first nation to accept Christianity? The circumstances that caused it to come about are not ones that anyone should be particularly proud of. Armenia became, as you put it "the first nation to accept Christianity" because it was an oriental-style despotic state. Whatever the King decided was true (whether it was a sincere belief or just for political reasons) had to be true for everyone, under threat of death.

And what states at that time had freedom of religion, pray tell.

[bell-the-cat]

And what states at that time had freedom of religion, pray tell.

The Roman Empire did, providing those religions did not overstep certain boundaries. And many non-Christian temples and institutions were allowed to operate even until as late as the rule of Justinian the Great in the middle of the 6th century.

In terms of a percentage of the overall population, the number of Christians in the Roman Empire at the start of the 4th century far exceeded that of Armenia. But, as soon as King Trdat announced his conversion to Christianity (probably done for political reasons), due to the despotic nature of Trdat's regime everyone else in Armenia had to be seen to do likewise. Armenia was not "the first nation to accept Christianity", it was the first nation to have Christianity enshrined as its state religion to the exclusion of all others.

[Baron Dants]

Armenia was not "the first nation to accept Christianity", it was the first nation to have Christianity enshrined as its state religion to the exclusion of all others.

We still win! :laugh:

[o0tinerz0o]

Armenia was the first nation to except christianity as its sole and state religion. Simple as that. WHy is this important? Well simply because one third of the people living on this earth are christian, and almost all of the most important and powerful countries in the world are christian or have a substantial amount of christians in the population. Being the first official christian state is important to us, because it allows us to differienciate ourselves from our Muslim/Turkic neighbors. It also gives us leverage in europe, and makes it a lot easier for us to integrate into european affairs. Because of the fact we are indo-european and 99.98% of armenians are christian, we are not looked at suspiciously, especially these days, where terrorism is a international threat and muslims are under major scrutiny. Our church preserved our culture, during almost 2 millenia of invasions by turks, persians, arabs, mongols, and even communism. If we were muslim per say we would have been completely assimilated into either Iranian or Turkish society, either by choice or the sword. Being the first official christian state gave us a sense of pride and achievement, and being Christian itself saved our culture, and preserved a lot of if, not all granted, but a lot so that we are able to say today, I AM ARMENIAN MY CHUCH IS ARMENIAN ORTHODOX, MY SPOKEN LANGUAGE IS ARMENIAN. As it is now, this is how it always was, one race, one church, one language, hopefully united, God willing.

God Bless

[TomServo]

Good point.

Tayyip Erdogan, Turkish prime minister and jackass extrordinaire, labels the European Union as a "Christian Club."

[bell-the-cat]

Good point.

Tayyip Erdogan, Turkish prime minister and jackass extrordinaire, labels the European Union as a "Christian Club."

And it seems that wanabee jackass extrordinaire o0tinerz0o would agree with the label. The difference is that Erdogan, on this point, does not actually believe what he says.

[joint1]

A few day prior to the 90th anniversary of our ancestors being tortured,raped,killed burned and experiencing things that no other human should ever experience.
My story is that a G-7 hoping everyone knows what that means
I was talking about the subject and mentioned to that person that we were the first nation to accept christianity and he tells me NO! in my face.
I was so pissed off I said YES WE WERE! back in his/her face.
And the I replied back to him/her "I will bring that info in writing".
He says " Don't bother I won't believe you then as well".
So I want to share this story with everyone and tell you
that Evil is everywhere even back in 1915.
Don't let anyone ever hurt you.
BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT A MEXIC G-7 TOLD ME THIS AND IT HURT ME VERY MUCH INSIDE

[AmericanTurk]

A few day prior to the 90th anniversary of our ancestors being tortured,raped,killed burned and experiencing things that no other human should ever experience.
My story is that a G-7 hoping everyone knows what that means
I was talking about the subject and mentioned to that person that we were the first nation to accept christianity and he tells me NO! in my face.
I was so pissed off I said YES WE WERE! back in his/her face.
And the I replied back to him/her "I will bring that info in writing".
He says " Don't bother I won't believe you then as well".
So I want to share this story with everyone and tell you
that Evil is everywhere even back in 1915.
Don't let anyone ever hurt you.

I didn't know about that. I made a search on google and there are so many that say they were the first nation to accept the Christianity that probably you should open a thread about that. For example some websites say British were the first nation to accept Christianity as their people accepted that about 10 years after Jesus was crucified. Some say Caucasus Albanians (actually this is the first time I heard that nation) some say ... well just go google and you will see.

And just because of my curiosity, do you have any idea how many of our (Turkish) ancestors have been tortured, raped, killed burned and experienced things that no other human should ever experience? I am asking this as one of those Turks who lost some part of their families in massacres organized by Armenian gangs at the above mentioned period of time.

[Siamanto]

I didn't know about that. I made a search on google and there are so many that say they were the first nation to accept the Christianity that probably you should open a thread about that. For example some websites say British were the first nation to accept Christianity as their people accepted that about 10 years after Jesus was crucified. Some say Caucasus Albanians (actually this is the first time I heard that nation) some say ... well just go google and you will see.

Congratulations Koylu! You have been voted clown of the month!
Now would you care to provide links to these - probably imaginary - sites? Thanks!

PS. In the name of Truth, you should notify the Vatican - who mistakenly considers Armenia as the first Nation to have adopted Christianity - about the fraudulent allegations of the Armenians. I'm sure that will promote you to the title of the clown of the year!




And just because of my curiosity, do you have any idea how many of our (Turkish) ancestors have been tortured, raped, killed burned and experienced things that no other human should ever experience? I am asking this as one of those Turks who lost some part of their families in massacres organized by Armenian gangs at the above mentioned period of time.
Yes! Some of us are familiar with the lies of the sly Central Asian *urkish Koylus!


PS. Thank you for entertaining us! :)

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

[TomServo]

AmericanTurk has just proved that he is an idiot.

So, AmericanTurk, find me websites that stipulate that Kirk Kerkorian is not Armenian.

[Sip]

AmericanTurk has just proved that he is an idiot.

I just searched google and found this thread in which AmericanTurk has just proved that he is an idiot. So maybe we should open a thread to discuss what kind of an idiot he is. After all, it is information from the internet.

[TomServo]

Indeed.

[nunechka]

where was the first church in the world built? in armenia! DUHHH! and the pope visits all the time...

[AmericanTurk]

Ok, now I know this website also allows name calling and nasty talks as yall guys do here.

Well, with your little bitty brains you probably think you can provoke me and make me call you names in return, which of course will not happen. It's not something about being Turk or Armenian, the remnance of a primitive brain tissue left in your skulls of course is lost in struggle to throw up all the hatred that was seeded in it, which makes me pretty sad. At this point your nationality is not my first concern, as human beings you're in deep insolvency.

Now when it comes to which was the first Christian nation, I will give you a few links, and they are certainly some Christian sources:

http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution/features/forgotten-christians-iraq.html
http://www.assyrianchristians.com/
http://www.yuricareport.com/Iraq/ChristiansInIraq.html

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Urgent prayer is being requested for protection for this special Christian Community, the oldest Christian Nation in the world struggling for survival in a sea of turmoil in the land of their forefathers....

Early in the first century the Assyrian Church sent missionaries to China, Central Asia, India, Mongolia, Japan, Siberia, Ethiopia and the rest of the known world.
...................

http://aanf.org/midwest/feb2003/auanewswatch01.htm

Now, those people don't call themselves Armenians, eventhough yall may be their descendants.

Have fun, I'm too busy to waste my time around educating people for free.

Also, you should abandon your caveman technics by which you are trying to harass and offend people, they simply doesn't work.

[Anonymouse]

Ok, now I know this website also allows name calling and nasty talks as yall guys do here.

Well, with your little bitty brains you probably think you can provoke me and make me call you names in return, which of course will not happen. It's not something about being Turk or Armenian, the remnance of a primitive brain tissue left in your skulls of course is lost in struggle to throw up all the hatred that was seeded in it, which makes me pretty sad. At this point your nationality is not my first concern, as human beings you're in deep insolvency.

Now when it comes to which was the first Christian nation, I will give you a few links, and they are certainly some Christian sources:

http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution/features/forgotten-christians-iraq.html
http://www.assyrianchristians.com/
http://www.yuricareport.com/Iraq/ChristiansInIraq.html

..........
Urgent prayer is being requested for protection for this special Christian Community, the oldest Christian Nation in the world struggling for survival in a sea of turmoil in the land of their forefathers....

Early in the first century the Assyrian Church sent missionaries to China, Central Asia, India, Mongolia, Japan, Siberia, Ethiopia and the rest of the known world.
...................

http://aanf.org/midwest/feb2003/auanewswatch01.htm

Now, those people don't call themselves Armenians, eventhough yall may be their descendants.

Have fun, I'm too busy to waste my time around educating people for free.

Also, you should abandon your caveman technics by which you are trying to harass and offend people, they simply doesn't work.

You are missing the point. Armenians were not the first Christians, or the majority to be Christians. The Christians in the Roman Empire far exceeded those in Armenia. What the proposition was is that Armenia was the first to adopt Christianity as its state religion. Assyria had no state left by that time.

[winoman]

Its funny how some Turks fear and despise Armenians so much that they make special efforts to attempt to put down any possible acheivement or acknowledgement on the part of Armenians - though I supose we shouldn't be surprised - its all part of the "denial syndrom"

[TomServo]

Its funny how some Turks fear and despise Armenians so much that they make special efforts to attempt to put down any possible acheivement or acknowledgement on the part of Armenians - though I supose we shouldn't be surprised - its all part of the "denial syndrom"
Exactly. It's a bad case of Armenian envy.

[eMachine]

where was the first church in the world built? in armenia! DUHHH! and the pope visits all the time...
the first church built in Antakya [HATAY] in Anatolia. :wave: i will try to find some info and pictures, i know that church, been there b4...

[winoman]

the first church built in Antakya [HATAY] in Anatolia. :wave: i will try to find some info and pictures, i know that church, been there b4...

hm Antakya - in Armenian Cilicia right? Whats the chance that you think we'll see any reference to Armenia (from a Turkish site)?

[eMachine]

hm Antakya - in Armenian Cilicia right? Whats the chance that you think we'll see any reference to Armenia (from a Turkish site)?
i prefer to say anatolia, not turkey or armenia... references are not from turkish site. that church is famous, people visit from all around world, good tourism for antakya. even you can fint it out by yourself, if you want...
i also dont believe turkish sources as i dont believe armenian sources...

[Sip]

i prefer to say anatolia ...

And I prefer to say you're an idiot.

[eMachine]

And I prefer to say you're an idiot.
and i prefer to stay quiet and think about your childish side when you can not answer something :o

[bell-the-cat]

hm Antakya - in Armenian Cilicia right? Whats the chance that you think we'll see any reference to Armenia (from a Turkish site)?

Antakya/Antioch was never in Armenian Cilicia anymore than Yerevan was part of Ottoman Turkey. The church eMachine mentioned was built in the 13th century, by Crusaders.

[eMachine]

and Crusaders are my great great great great great great greaaaat dad =))

[TUR-Friend]

and Crusaders are my great great great great great great greaaaat dad =))

Oh, I thought you were Turkish too, bro, like BellTheCat... :rolleyes:

[bell-the-cat]

and Crusaders are my great great great great great great greaaaat dad =))

That would depend on what your great great great great great great greaaaat granny did in her evenings. :D

[eMachine]

bell the cat?? Turkish?

[bell-the-cat]

bell the cat?? Turkish?

Not! :)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[TurKOnE]

the first church built in Antakya [HATAY] in Anatolia. :wave: i will try to find some info and pictures, i know that church, been there b4...

I know it. it's in Antakya..

the church is named St.Pierre..

I also know that Antakya has soaps made of daphne leaves. daphne soaps of Antakya are known pretty well. daphne is kind of a tree (if anyone doesnt know in case)

I remember a japanese girl who had come to St.Pierre because it was an important church for christian belief. dont know exact importance though (I'm muslim).. had a good conversation with her she was very nice. :)

[bell-the-cat]

I know it. it's in Antakya..

the church is named St.Pierre..

I also know that Antakya has soaps made of daphne leaves. daphne soaps of Antakya are known pretty well. daphne is kind of a tree (if anyone doesnt know in case)



St Peter in English. It is called this because it is built on the site of a cave in which, according to a local Christian tradition, the Apostle Peter had preached in.

"Daphne" is another name for a laurel tree.

[nairi]

Why do you think it is important for you to be saying that Armenia was the first nation to accept Christianity? The circumstances that caused it to come about are not ones that anyone should be particularly proud of. Armenia became, as you put it "the first nation to accept Christianity" because it was an oriental-style despotic state. Whatever the King decided was true (whether it was a sincere belief or just for political reasons) had to be true for everyone, under threat of death.

The same happened in England, not once, not twice, but innumerable times. So what?

[Siamanto]

bell the cat?? Turkish?


In my book, anybody who joins hands with *urks to attack Armenians and Greeks is a *urk!

In my book, yes!


PS. Isn't it curious that *urks recognize you as one of theirs?

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

[TUR-Friend]

Your book?
So, you write children's books, Siamanto?

[bell-the-cat]

The same happened in England, not once, not twice, but innumerable times. So what?

I don't know what history book you have been reading. The exact opposite is true. If a king in England or Scotland began to get messianic dillusions and start to meddle in religious affairs and freedoms, he would risk his head being separated from his body.

[nairi]

As far as I remember the switch from paganism to Christianity in England did not go very smoothly... Nor the hundreds of internal religious conflicts.

[bell-the-cat]

As far as I remember the switch from paganism to Christianity in England did not go very smoothly... Nor the hundreds of internal religious conflicts.

Sorry, I thought in your first post you were referring to the medieval and Renaissance periods.

And aren't you actually now making my point - that is what I was saying, Armenia's initial "conversion" was in name only - and was for most a matter of convienience and not belief.

[nairi]

Sorry, I thought in your first post you were referring to the medieval and Renaissance periods.

And aren't you actually now making my point - that is what I was saying, Armenia's initial "conversion" was in name only - and was for most a matter of convienience and not belief.

Well yes, and I'm not proud of it :)

[Sip]

and i prefer to stay quiet and think about your childish side when you can not answer something :o

then why don't you? :confused: