Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

[Turkish Dude]

Hello Armenians.


I have Turkish origins and I was wondering if Armenians will always hold a hatred towards all Turks?

Do you think that there will be a time where Armenians and Turks could be friends?


Cheers

[Sip]

Do you think there will be a time Turks will acknowledge the truth?

[Turkish Dude]

Do you think there will be a time Turks will acknowledge the truth?
Well as far as I'm aware there are Turks who already do.

[Sip]

Then there is hope :)

[One-Way]

We only hate them for the fact that they've been denying the Geonocide. Ding. Let that little light bulb shine bright, Dude.

[Turkish Dude]

Yes I am aware of this.

However even if/when Turkey recognises the Genocide, will Armenians just stop hating Turks in a heart beat? Or will Armenians always hate Turks because of what they have done to them?

[Anonymouse]

Hello Armenians.


I have Turkish origins and I was wondering if Armenians will always hold a hatred towards all Turks?

Do you think that there will be a time where Armenians and Turks could be friends?


Cheers

There may or may not be a time. However, that many Armenians can form feelings of hate, I believe it to be entirely understandable based on the history. If love is man's sun, hate is man's moon and without one another there couldn't be a spiritual eclipse which really defines man in all that he is and all that he wills to be. Why should we drink from the cup of love and call ourselves human, without having had a sip from the cup of hate and still call ourselves man? Why experience being half-a-human and still insist on calling yourself human?

Friendship is a matter based on trust, honesty and integrity. How can one be friends with someone who has tried to wipe you off and now continues to mock you? I am fully aware not all Turks were involved and not all Turks participated but is that really a trump card? While actions were limited to a few, thoughts were and always are a part of the many. So long as Turks insist on denying what they have done, any chance of reconciliation is out of the question, and rightfully so. It would be an insult and a spit on the face of my grandfather who witnessed his own parents' throats slashed in front of him by a Turk with his scimitar.

I hope this helps clarify the gravity of the situation.

[Turkish Dude]

There may or may not be a time. However, that many Armenians can form feelings of hate, I believe it to be entirely understandable based on the history. If love is man's sun, hate is man's moon and without one another there couldn't be a spiritual eclipse which really defines man in all that he is and all that he wills to be. Why should we drink from the cup of love and call ourselves human, without having had a sip from the cup of hate and still call ourselves man? Why experience being half-a-human and still insist on calling yourself human?

Friendship is a matter based on trust, honesty and integrity. How can one be friends with someone who has tried to wipe you off and now continues to mock you? I am fully aware not all Turks were involved and not all Turks participated but is that really a trump card? While actions were limited to a few, thoughts were and always are a part of the many. So long as Turks insist on denying what they have done, any chance of reconciliation is out of the question, and rightfully so. It would be an insult and a spit on the face of my grandfather who witnessed his own parents' throats slashed in front of him by a Turk with his scimitar.

I hope this helps clarify the gravity of the situation.

I know Turks have done alot of horrendous and treacherous things to the Armenians (even pre 1915) but if a Turk acknowledged it all and he apologized for the things that he neither did not do and things that happened before his time on this earth. Cant this change your view?

IF the government of a nation lies about what it perpetrated against your nation, does that mean you can never associate with a person (an individual) from that nation? Could you not ever look beyond his nationality and his ethnicity? Cant you ever accept him as a friend of yours?

[Anonymouse]

I know Turks have done alot of horrendous and treacherous things to the Armenians (even pre 1915) but if a Turk acknowledged it all and he apologized for the things that he neither did not do and things that happened before his time on this earth. Cant this change your view?

IF the government of a nation lies about what it perpetrated against your nation, does that mean you can never associate with a person (an individual) from that nation? Could you not ever look beyond his nationality and his ethnicity? Cant you ever accept him as a friend of yours?

While there are individuals who are exceptions to the rule and think above and beyond group think, nationalities, races, religions, ideologies are still powerful forces that shape us as individuals whether we like or not.

I never said I can never associate with someone who is Turkish. You must understand the difference between association and friendship are as distant as the Earth is from the Sun. If I meet a Turk on the bus, or at school in class and we don't know who we are and by a simple chance this topic comes up, we immediately are aware of ourselves and each other and where we stand. There proceeds a gulping silence, followed by a futile and apathetic tone in both of their voices knowing very well of exactly what just unfolded and how they do not see eye to eye and it's better to leave it at that. If he or she maintains the Turkish government line, I cannot be friends with that person. I will discriminate and I reserve that right as a human to discriminate. I can accept him as a friend if he truly understands just what has transpired on the wheel of history.

Just as I reserve the right to be friends with people who deserve my friendship, I just as easily reserve the right to not be friends with those whom I deem are not worthy to be friends with. As humans, we are capable of looking both beyond and within what a person is. People often try to say that "you need to look beyond peoples' race or their religion or nationality", but is this truly sensical? As much as we can look beyond those things, but that is only a part of being human. Those other things that we are urged to look beyond are often entirely what has socialized these individuals whether for good or evil, and that will depend on perspectives.

But I think you are noble enough to come here and make a thread inquiring about this, which is a touchy subject, and not resorting to typical mockery, or other things that defeat the purpose of any discussion. As you can see, we are associating with you as a Turk. Who said it can't be possible? Friendship? Even that is a possibility. But, as the gnome krept from within the tree, he reminded me of the difference between probability and possibility.

Cheers.

[D3ADSY]

Do you think that there will be a time where Armenians and Turks could be friends?

Yes, but it is up to Turks and Turkey to bring such a thing into existence.

[Turkish Dude]

Yes, but it is up to Turks and Turkey to bring such a thing into existence.
How? If you mean it will have to wait until Turkey officially recognises the genocide then you will have a long wait. It might take decades, it might take centuries - then again it might never even happen.

Is this what your waiting for? I mean there are individual Turks that do recognise the Armenian genocide. They maybe small in number but they are growing. As Anonymouse was saying it is hard for Turks to voice their opinions and views a sensitive issue such as this one. What makes it even harder is the official position of the Turkish government. After it lied to the nation for 90 years how do you expect it to suddenly turn around and admit to the genocide just like that? I have the feeling that the Turkish government is going to let the people decide (as well as the government itself starting to "look more deeply" into the issue).

[D3ADSY]

Yes, on a national scale I cannot see how friendship between Armenia and Turkey (and Armenians and Turks) is possible without closure in terms of the genocide and it's recognition.
That said, I don't see why an Armenian and a Turk cannot be friends provided they are both on the same level of thinking in terms of what happened in 1915.
Personally I have nothing but respect and admiration for people like Taner Akcam, and him being a Turk has no negative impact on my opinion, in fact his opinions and views combined with the fact that he is in fact Turkish form the basis of my feelings. And that is the key. The hope for any form of positive interaction, or whatever you wish to call it, between us, lies with the Turkish people, not the Turkish government. Armenians share an equal responsibility. Will we be willing to forgive and move on eventually? What will happen if and when Turkey accepts it's past?
Ultimately it's up to the younger generations on both sides and I believe, sadly, the youth on both sides are being brought up with too much hate.

[EMRE]

How? If you mean it will have to wait until Turkey officially recognises the genocide then you will have a long wait. It might take decades, it might take centuries - then again it might never even happen.

Is this what your waiting for? I mean there are individual Turks that do recognise the Armenian genocide. They maybe small in number but they are growing. As Anonymouse was saying it is hard for Turks to voice their opinions and views a sensitive issue such as this one. What makes it even harder is the official position of the Turkish government. After it lied to the nation for 90 years how do you expect it to suddenly turn around and admit to the genocide just like that? I have the feeling that the Turkish government is going to let the people decide (as well as the government itself starting to "look more deeply" into the issue).



hey whats your problem traitor so-called turk...after reading your post,I was ABOUT TO WAIL.you must be ashamed of yourself..how can you feel constrained to accept genocide..Im ashamed of you.Idont believe that you are turk.we are very noble nation.but unfortunately we have such kind of traitors as you..my best desire:::may god protect us form traitors as you!!!pity pity pity... be off!!!:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[D3ADSY]

hey whats your problem traitor so-called turk...after reading your post,I was ABOUT TO WAIL.you must be ashamed of yourself..how can you feel constrained to accept genocide..Im ashamed of you.Idont believe that you are turk.we are very noble nation.but unfortunately we have such kind of traitors as you..my best desire:::may god protect us form traitors as you!!!pity pity pity... be off!!!:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Thank you for your valued opinion. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/cool.gif

[Sip]

Emre = Owned!

[Turkish Dude]

hey whats your problem traitor so-called turk...after reading your post,I was ABOUT TO WAIL.you must be ashamed of yourself..how can you feel constrained to accept genocide..Im ashamed of you.Idont believe that you are turk.we are very noble nation.but unfortunately we have such kind of traitors as you..my best desire:::may god protect us form traitors as you!!!pity pity pity... be off!!!:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Can any Armenians understand why genocide recognition amongst the Turkish population is going to be a VERY slow process?

[Sip]

Yah considering it's been close to a century, I'd say yah, we know :D

[TomServo]

Wowzers.

[imhye]

I think Armenians will not dislike Turks as much if the genocide is recognized. There is still the issue of hurting generations of Armenians after the genocide with denial. We are suffering still.

And remember, we are the victims... not you. So we can change our attitude and like of Turks whenever we are ready.

[Sip]

Well considering I am a barska-hye (from Iran), I'm not really a victim of anything. My only hatered (or dislike) is towards those that act like idiots and repeat everything they have heard from their government and other idiots like them without thinking a bit or reading something other than what is force fed to them.

[Turkish Dude]

Well considering I am a barska-hye (from Iran), I'm not really a victim of anything. My only hatered (or dislike) is towards those that act like idiots and repeat everything they have heard from their government and other idiots like them without thinking a bit or reading something other than what is force fed to them.
What are you saying?

Can (or do) you have friendships with Turkish people?

[ace]

What are you saying?

Can (or do) you have friendships with Turkish people?

I did.

[Turkish Dude]

I did.
Did is a past tense.

What happened??

[One-Way]

Stop talking to us, and go tell your people about the Genocide.

[tunot]

What are you saying?

Can (or do) you have friendships with Turkish people?

Only with those who are not afraid to aknowledge that we have a mutual history.

Sip is wise as usual. I missed that.

[ace]

Did is a past tense.

What happened??

She was hot. We had sex after I convinced her to shave her arms cause they were kind of hairy. None the less she was hott.

I never talked to her about our unique situation - but back than we didn't care. I guess if I saw her again I would deffinitly spark up a convo about this and see what she thinks.

Anyway, the Zionist movenment is more to blame for the Genocide than anything else. But I guess we can't say "the xxxs did it" because governments are not identified by religions or ethnicities - so, regardless of who it was that did it, it was THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT - and it MUST pay the proper retributions to make up for its damages.

[Turkish Dude]

Only with those who are not afraid to aknowledge that we have a mutual history.

Sip is wise as usual. I missed that.
Do you mean if a Turk acknowledges the genocide then theres nothing wrong with being his friend?

[ace]

I do fear though that the way most Armenians have tackled this issue only hurts the relationship between our people. Instead of saying "the Turks did it," - it would be more logical to say "the Zionist movenment used the Turkish people and the Turkish forces as a tool."

However, most Turks AND Armenians are not aware of either of our innocense, and the more we blame each other, the more we become slaves to the xxxs.

The only logical and ethical move to make is for the Turkish government to accept responsibility of the events of 1915, pay back the proper retributions, all while we expose the true masterminds and motives between the Armenian Genocide - and from there on work towards co-existence and peace, because our bitterness towards each other only hurts us, and Turkey's current stance on most of its foreign and domestic issues are self-destructive and are not bound to last.

[ace]

Case in point: It is within BOTH of our best interests to act based on the truth.

[imhye]

What did the zionist movement have to do with the Armenians?

[tunot]

Do you mean if a Turk acknowledges the genocide then theres nothing wrong with being his friend?

Not only the genocide.

[ace]

What did the zionist movement have to do with the Armenians?

I dont even know where to start. Maybe the Mouse or some of the other guys here that know about this should tell you - I'm too lazy.

[Anonymouse]

Yes, on a national scale I cannot see how friendship between Armenia and Turkey (and Armenians and Turks) is possible without closure in terms of the genocide and it's recognition.
That said, I don't see why an Armenian and a Turk cannot be friends provided they are both on the same level of thinking in terms of what happened in 1915.
Personally I have nothing but respect and admiration for people like Taner Akcam, and him being a Turk has no negative impact on my opinion, in fact his opinions and views combined with the fact that he is in fact Turkish form the basis of my feelings. And that is the key. The hope for any form of positive interaction, or whatever you wish to call it, between us, lies with the Turkish people, not the Turkish government. Armenians share an equal responsibility. Will we be willing to forgive and move on eventually? What will happen if and when Turkey accepts it's past?
Ultimately it's up to the younger generations on both sides and I believe, sadly, the youth on both sides are being brought up with too much hate.

When one asks for forgiveness, it all depends on the individuals involved, not a holistic entity such as the people.

[tunot]

I dont even know where to start. Maybe the Mouse or some of the other guys here that know about this should tell you - I'm too lazy.

One could blame the Armenian revolutionary movement on Europeans. But we bought it, didn't we?

Oh, I get it. You're trying to convince us that Talaat Pasha and the others were of Juwish stock. Where do you find proof for this sort of stuff?

[Anonymouse]

hey whats your problem traitor so-called turk...after reading your post,I was ABOUT TO WAIL.you must be ashamed of yourself..how can you feel constrained to accept genocide..Im ashamed of you.Idont believe that you are turk.we are very noble nation.but unfortunately we have such kind of traitors as you..my best desire:::may god protect us form traitors as you!!!pity pity pity... be off!!!:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

You should learn a thing or two from your Turkish friend.

[Anonymouse]

She was hot. We had sex after I convinced her to shave her arms cause they were kind of hairy. None the less she was hott.

I never talked to her about our unique situation - but back than we didn't care. I guess if I saw her again I would deffinitly spark up a convo about this and see what she thinks.

Anyway, the Zionist movenment is more to blame for the Genocide than anything else. But I guess we can't say "the xxxs did it" because governments are not identified by religions or ethnicities - so, regardless of who it was that did it, it was THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT - and it MUST pay the proper retributions to make up for its damages.

I'm tired of the blame game. In all honesty, at this point it doesn't even matter who we blame.

Blame lies in all directions. The Turks are to be blamed, just as much as those Zionists who initiated the Young Turk movement, as they are known in Turkish as "doenmeh". However, as much as we would hate to admit it, Armenians share blame as well, for being pacified to the point of no return, for scattering all over across Turkey even beyond what was historically Western Armenia, betraying one another as usual, and being softened by some aspects of Christianity. You must understand that Islam and Christianity teach very different things.

[ace]

One could blame the Armenian revolutionary movement on Europeans. But we bought it, didn't we?

Oh, I get it. You're trying to convince us that Talaat Pasha and the others were of xxxish stock. Where do you find proof for this sort of stuff?

The Turkish author, Mevlan Z. Rifat, was referring to this Donmeh sect by his words "a syncretist xxxish-Muslim sect," when he wrote in his book "Inner Folds of the Ottoman Revolution" 1929.-- "The Armenian genocide was decided in August 1910 and October 1911 by a Young Turk committee composed entirely of displaced Balkan xxxs in the format of a syncretist xxxish-Muslim sect, including Tallat, Enver, Behaeddin Shakir, Jemal, and Nazim posturing as Muslims. It met in the Rothschild-funded Grant Orient loge in now Greek Salonika. No wonder the infrastructure was in place by August by August, 1914, in Erzerum for the Great Massacres, almost three months before Turkey entered the Great War. During World War I and ever since, xxxs have held prominent positions in the Turkish government, including three presidents, Ataturk, Inonu, and Bayar."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0394472047/qid=1079863484/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1679339-8721468?v=glance&s=books

[ace]

I'm tired of the blame game. In all honesty, at this point it doesn't even matter who we blame.

Yes it does because that will determine who is to pay for the reperations.

[tunot]

The Turkish author, Mevlan Z. Rifat, was referring to this Donmeh sect by his words "a syncretist xxxish-Muslim sect," when he wrote in his book "Inner Folds of the Ottoman Revolution" 1929.-- "The Armenian genocide was decided in August 1910 and October 1911 by a Young Turk committee composed entirely of displaced Balkan xxxs in the format of a syncretist xxxish-Muslim sect, including Tallat, Enver, Behaeddin Shakir, Jemal, and Nazim posturing as Muslims. It met in the Rothschild-funded Grant Orient loge in now Greek Salonika. No wonder the infrastructure was in place by August by August, 1914, in Erzerum for the Great Massacres, almost three months before Turkey entered the Great War. During World War I and ever since, xxxs have held prominent positions in the Turkish government, including three presidents, Ataturk, Inonu, and Bayar."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0394472047/qid=1079863484/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1679339-8721468?v=glance&s=books

Any more sources?

[ace]

Any more sources?

That book is full of them.

Also, read about the Rothschilds.

[tunot]

That book is full of them.

Also, read about the Rothschilds.

Right. Okay, now I know where your stock is from. No more needs to be said.

[tunot]

However, as much as we would hate to admit it, Armenians share blame as well, for being pacified to the point of no return, for scattering all over across Turkey even beyond what was historically Western Armenia, betraying one another as usual, and being softened by some aspects of Christianity. You must understand that Islam and Christianity teach very different things.

It's called "a house divided against itself cannot stand." It has nothing to do with Christianity, since this is a quote from the Bible.

Sometimes it's nice to see old acquaintances again. Hello Mouse.

[Anahita]

It's called "a house divided against itself cannot stand." It has nothing to do with Christianity, since this is a quote from the Bible.

Sometimes it's nice to see old acquaintances again. Hello Mouse.

The Bible (as well as MAAAANNNY other 'Sacred or Holy Books/Words') have good ideas included in the text (and, IMHO, some BS, as well.) Sometimes people understand ideas too literally, too.

[Quarteria]

Yes it does because that will determine who is to pay for the reperations.

What reparations? What are you expecting? Would this go to the survivors (who are dying out themselves :( ) or the country of Armenia? Would this go to the survivor's relatives? What can we expect here should the Turkish government ever collectively say, "Yeah, it happened, we did that"?

[Anonymouse]

It's called "a house divided against itself cannot stand." It has nothing to do with Christianity, since this is a quote from the Bible.

Sometimes it's nice to see old acquaintances again. Hello Mouse.

I take it you haven't read much of what Jesus preaches and compared that to what Mohammed preaches. This isn't about merely Christianity. Do not misquote me. It is an amalgamation of forces and at this point the blame game is useless. And who might this old acquaintance be?

[ace]

What reparations? What are you expecting? Would this go to the survivors (who are dying out themselves :( ) or the country of Armenia? Would this go to the survivor's relatives? What can we expect here should the Turkish government ever collectively say, "Yeah, it happened, we did that"?

Reperations dont have to be in the form of money. It should be our historic lands, and the necessary money needed to re-populate those lands with Armenians.

[Quarteria]

Reperations dont have to be in the form of money. It should be our historic lands, and the necessary money needed to re-populate those lands with Armenians.

So, at the VERY least, Ararat. Yeah, I can see that. That would be nice.

[imhye]

Turks become pissed when we simply display Mount Ararat as our symbols (coat of arms, etc.). I don't expect they will hand it over.

If I don't expect our mountain to be returned to us, I doubt they will redraw the borders. I've heard they don't even allow visitors to the region, depending on who you are.

When they accept the genocide, they will make a statement that our past government (not the current one) killed and deported Armenians, and the current government recognizes the former governments actions.

[tunot]

I take it you haven't read much of what Jesus preaches and compared that to what Mohammed preaches.

Thank God no. But it wasn't about that. I'm not disagreeing with you.

And who might this old acquaintance be?

I should think that with your promotion to moderator you would be able to trace me back.

[karoaper]

What reparations? What are you expecting? Would this go to the survivors (who are dying out themselves :( ) or the country of Armenia? Would this go to the survivor's relatives? What can we expect here should the Turkish government ever collectively say, "Yeah, it happened, we did that"?

I'm not sure if I'm expecting anything from Turkey, so there might come the time when Armenians need to take what's rightfully theirs. What Armenians are rightfully entitled to is historically Armenian land (everything north of and including Van and everything East of and including Mush) and money: basically all that was stolen except human lives (that cannot be returned). Having said that, realistically we ourselves are not yet and will not be for some time organized enough to react effectively to such changes. Naturally, specific policies and innovative development projects would have to be undertaken. Major funds would have to be allocated to jumpstart agriculture and some sort of commerce and industry in those regions, perhaps using huge agricultural and industrial grants to motivate Armenian immigrations into these lands.

As to the main question, I don't know about you, but I usually like to keep the feelings of my friends unhurt. At the same time, friendship cannot thrive on secrets and gaps of communication. I and, I assume, majority of Armenians have nothing but a string of cusswords to express about Turkey and Turkish nation (including culture, history, etc). If it's not downright hatred of aspects of Turkish identity, then it's disrepect. That means I would have to hold my tounge about something that I feel very strongly about. All my non-Armenian friends know very well my disgust at Turkey to the point that they make a joke every time we encounter Turks or Turkey. The relationship would be stale and full of deciete and bullxxxx.

That doesn't mean that an Armenian mustn't act civilly with a Turk. Of course not. We're not children nor barbarians. I neither see any issues with treating a well-meaning and educated Turk with respect. But friendship I cannot envision.

[Turkish Dude]

There are a few things I would like to state.

Firstly I have heard about this Donmeh thing but how do we know if this is true? I mean there has been loads of anti xxxish lies (whats up with all these censors?) made over the years the like the "Protocols of Zionism". What if this donmeh thing is just another lie?

Secondly what does the religion of the Young Turks matter? Why does them being xxxish (if they really were) matter so much - I mean if they weren't xxxish then they would be Muslim.


The third thing I have to say is in regards to reparations. If Armenia did some how get all their historic homelands back would YOU the Diaspora leave your homes in California, Boston, France, Sweden, Lebanon, etc... and move to your historic homelands? (which are poor, have a lack of jobs available, are isolated, lack amenities, lack decent transport systems, etc....)

Staying on the topic of reparations I have to also say that the lands of Western Armenia are claimed by the Kurds as Northern Kurdistan. The Kurds are not going to give up the lands they see as their own ancestral homelands to the Armenians. There are also millions of Turks and Kurds living on these lands.

There is the posibility that Turkey wont recognise the genocide unless Armenia renounces all claims on Turkish territory. At the present moment Turkey wants Armenia to withdraw from Karabakh, recognise Turkeys current borders and drop its genocide recognition.

[Anonymouse]

Thank God no. But it wasn't about that. I'm not disagreeing with you.



I should think that with your promotion to moderator you would be able to trace me back.

Unfortunately, I am not psychic and my memory is hazy as I'm only human. But you can feel free to tell me who you are unless you prefer to remain in the dark, which I suspect is not the case since you brought to my attention that you're an old acquaintance which makes me think you want me to know who you are more than I do. :)

[Anonymouse]

There are a few things I would like to state.

Firstly I have heard about this Donmeh thing but how do we know if this is true? I mean there has been loads of anti xxxish lies (whats up with all these censors?) made over the years the like the "Protocols of Zionism". What if this donmeh thing is just another lie?

Secondly what does the religion of the Young Turks matter? Why does them being xxxish (if they really were) matter so much - I mean if they weren't xxxish then they would be Muslim.


The third thing I have to say is in regards to reparations. If Armenia did some how get all their historic homelands back would YOU the Diaspora leave your homes in California, Boston, France, Sweden, Lebanon, etc... and move to your historic homelands? (which are poor, have a lack of jobs available, are isolated, lack amenities, lack decent transport systems, etc....)

Staying on the topic of reparations I have to also say that the lands of Western Armenia are claimed by the Kurds as Northern Kurdistan. The Kurds are not going to give up the lands they see as their own ancestral homelands to the Armenians. There are also millions of Turks and Kurds living on these lands.

There is the posibility that Turkey wont recognise the genocide unless Armenia renounces all claims on Turkish territory. At the present moment Turkey wants Armenia to withdraw from Karabakh, recognise Turkeys current borders and drop its genocide recognition.

But who brought those Kurds to settle in those lands? The Turkish government. Because of its forced relocation and destruction of the Armenian population it had to fill that up. And along the process it managed to convince quite a few Kurds that if they helped in the destruction campaign there might be booty for the taking.

And as far as Kurds claiming Western Armenia as Kurdistan, well, Kurds claim anywhere they poop as Kurdistan.

[Turkish Dude]

I'm not sure if I'm expecting anything from Turkey, so there might come the time when Armenians need to take what's rightfully theirs. What Armenians are rightfully entitled to is historically Armenian land (everything north of and including Van and everything East of and including Mush) and money: basically all that was stolen except human lives (that cannot be returned).
Do you realise that the province of Van has a population of almost 1,000,000 persons. What do you expect to do with all these Kurds and Turks (who probably dont like Armenians to much) that will be living in Western Armenia?

[Anonymouse]

Do you realise that the province of Van has a population of almost 1,000,000 persons. What do you expect to do with all these Kurds and Turks (who probably dont like Armenians to much) that will be living in Western Armenia?

How was it that the Turkish government was able to force off their lands, millions of Armenians? It's called force, and I have long maintained that if Armenians want those lands, they have to take it by force, but also, grow in numbers like Turks and Kurds do.

[karoaper]

Do you realise that the province of Van has a population of almost 1,000,000 persons. What do you expect to do with all these Kurds and Turks (who probably dont like Armenians to much) that will be living in Western Armenia?


I don't know about Turks :rolleyes: , but I can guarantee that Kurds would prefer Armenians to Turks. Many Kurds live in Armenia. As far as I know, most of them consider some territory in Armenia to be part of Kurdistan as well. But let me ask you a question: have Kurds ever held large demonstrations against Armenians in Turkish cities. As far as I know they haven't. But they have in fact held demonstrations against Turks, calling Turks murderers and barbarians, the largest one during prosecution of Ocalan. With the amount of oppression that Kurds have experienced, they would at least initially support the Armenian cause.

[Anonymouse]

I don't know about Turks :rolleyes: , but I can guarantee that Kurds would prefer Armenians to Turks. Many Kurds live in Armenia. As far as I know, most of them consider some territory in Armenia to be part of Kurdistan as well. But let me ask you a question: have Kurds ever held large demonstrations against Armenians in Turkish cities. As far as I know they haven't. But they have in fact held demonstrations against Turks, calling Turks murderers and barbarians, the largest one during prosecution of Ocalan. With the amount of oppression that Kurds have experienced, they would at least initially support the Armenian cause.

They would only support with Armenians so long as the Turkish government is the 'common enemy'. When that is removed, do not be surprised that then the Kurds will turn face and say "Well, these are our lands so we are going to have to take it now".

[karoaper]

They would only support with Armenians so long as the Turkish government is the 'common enemy'. When that is removed, do not be surprised that then the Kurds will turn face and say "Well, these are our lands so we are going to have to take it now".

That would not be surprising indeed. After their contribution to the Genocide effort, they in turn shouldn't be surprised if we care very little for their aspirations.

[tunot]

Unfortunately, I am not psychic and my memory is hazy as I'm only human. But you can feel free to tell me who you are unless you prefer to remain in the dark, which I suspect is not the case since you brought to my attention that you're an old acquaintance which makes me think you want me to know who you are more than I do. :)

I'm afraid that if I do, I might get in trouble. I figured you'd be able to guess. Since you can't and don't want to, it shouldn't matter much, though my greetings still count.

[Anonymouse]

I'm afraid that if I do, I might get in trouble. I figured you'd be able to guess. Since you can't and don't want to, it shouldn't matter much, though my greetings still count.

I never said I don't want to know. I said you seemed more intent on letting me know that you are from old. Either way, it never hurts to satisfy ones curiosity with an answer. But if you fear some sort of 'trouble', and I can't imagine what that would be, you can feel free to stay in the dark.

By the way, how did you expect me to guess who you were?

[Turkish Dude]

How was it that the Turkish government was able to force off their lands, millions of Armenians? It's called force, and I have long maintained that if Armenians want those lands, they have to take it by force, but also, grow in numbers like Turks and Kurds do.
The Turkish government isnt just going to give provinces away.

Armenians dont procreate as much as the Turks and the Kurds do (the Kurds have much larger family sizes than compared with the Turks). Furthermore how would this Armenian force work? Is Armenia just going to declare war on Turkey?

Isnt this just wishful thinking?

Even if Armenia somehow got the Kurds on their side after they both defeat Turkey. Armenians and the Kurds would have to fight it out over who will own what land.

[Anahita]

Nobody will get in trouble for speaking...

Keep speaking (but don't be alarmed if I try to change you mind.)

Love. Let that guide you...

We (humans) are ALL AFRICANS.

God (father and mother... and more, too)
http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?p=150609#post150609

[tunot]

I never said I don't want to know. I said you seemed more intent on letting me know that you are from old. Either way, it never hurts to satisfy ones curiosity with an answer. But if you fear some sort of 'trouble', and I can't imagine what that would be, you can feel free to stay in the dark.

By the way, how did you expect me to guess who you were?

From my IP address. ;) I thought you'd know me anyway, so I greeted.

[Anonymouse]

The Turkish government isnt just going to give provinces away.

Armenians dont procreate as much as the Turks and the Kurds do (the Kurds have much larger family sizes than compared with the Turks). Furthermore how would this Armenian force work? Is Armenia just going to declare war on Turkey?

Isnt this just wishful thinking?

Even if Armenia somehow got the Kurds on their side after they both defeat Turkey. Armenians and the Kurds would have to fight it out over who will own what land.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I didn't mean war in the literal sense we know war to be. I only meant that the only way Armenians will get those lands back is through natural means, by growing and gradually moving and outnumbering those who occupy Western Armenia, just like the Mexicans are doing here in America, by sheer numbers and even though they call it the "reconquista" in Spanish, there is no force implied since they are doing it by sheer numbers.

However, you must have missed in my post where I said Armenians and Kurds will eventually duke it out once the Turkish commony enemy supposedly disappears.

[tunot]

There are a few things I would like to state.

The third thing I have to say is in regards to reparations. If Armenia did some how get all their historic homelands back would YOU the Diaspora leave your homes in California, Boston, France, Sweden, Lebanon, etc... and move to your historic homelands? (which are poor, have a lack of jobs available, are isolated, lack amenities, lack decent transport systems, etc....)

This should not be of your concern. This is our problem, not yours.

Staying on the topic of reparations I have to also say that the lands of Western Armenia are claimed by the Kurds as Northern Kurdistan. The Kurds are not going to give up the lands they see as their own ancestral homelands to the Armenians. There are also millions of Turks and Kurds living on these lands.

There is the posibility that Turkey wont recognise the genocide unless Armenia renounces all claims on Turkish territory. At the present moment Turkey wants Armenia to withdraw from Karabakh, recognise Turkeys current borders and drop its genocide recognition.

There will always be Armenians who will claim land. That is no reason for Turkey to deny the Armenian genocide. The kind of reparation that "we" should receive can only be realistically discussed after Turkey recognizes the genocide. Only then can we perhaps compromise on reparation.

[Turkish Dude]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I didn't mean war in the literal sense we know war to be. I only meant that the only way Armenians will get those lands back is through natural means, by growing and gradually moving and outnumbering those who occupy Western Armenia, just like the Mexicans are doing here in America, by sheer numbers and even though they call it the "reconquista" in Spanish, there is no force implied since they are doing it by sheer numbers.

However, you must have missed in my post where I said Armenians and Kurds will eventually duke it out once the Turkish commony enemy supposedly disappears.

I have no intention to be rude so dont take it the wrong way - Are you serious about this?

I suppose it would be a legitimate way. However I have enquire are Armenians going to move back. Are you willing to move back to that same farm or house that your grandparents or other relatives used lived in before they were murdered? Could you do that? Would you feel comfortable in doing this?

How will this effort be organised? Will Armenians just move into various areas or will they move into small areas and try and populate them with Armenians? I have to ask you Anonymouse and this question is for all Armenians. Are you willing to resettle in those lands that you want to claim?

There is also the fact that most of the population growth is occuring from the Kurds. Kurdish families tend to have more children (I'm talking about a figure of about 5 children being born for every mother).

Also Turkey wont be completely blind about the situation and they would have the army in Eastern Turkey (currently there are over 250,000 troops in South East Turkey - and the authorities view the Armenians even more suspiciously then they view the Kurds).

Do you still think this realistic and is possible?

[imhye]

Are you willing to move back to that same farm or house that your grandparents or other relatives used lived in before they were murdered? Could you do that? Would you feel comfortable in doing this?

I would love to move back to Western Armenia and help build it for Armenia/ns! You can sign me up... Give it back to us. :wave:

[Anonymouse]

I have no intention to be rude so dont take it the wrong way - Are you serious about this?

I suppose it would be a legitimate way. However I have enquire are Armenians going to move back. Are you willing to move back to that same farm or house that your grandparents or other relatives used lived in before they were murdered? Could you do that? Would you feel comfortable in doing this?

How will this effort be organised? Will Armenians just move into various areas or will they move into small areas and try and populate them with Armenians? I have to ask you Anonymouse and this question is for all Armenians. Are you willing to resettle in those lands that you want to claim?

There is also the fact that most of the population growth is occuring from the Kurds. Kurdish families tend to have more children (I'm talking about a figure of about 5 children being born for every mother).

Also Turkey wont be completely blind about the situation and they would have the army in Eastern Turkey (currently there are over 250,000 troops in South East Turkey - and the authorities view the Armenians even more suspiciously then they view the Kurds).

Do you still think this realistic and is possible?


To answer your question, yes I wouldn't mind going to Aintab at all. But you must understand, Rome wasn't built overnight, nor will Armenia, if it is ever to be reclaimed. Moving back will be left to the discretion of individuals, who cares how it is organized? Such a thing of that magnitude cannot possibly be 'centrally planned'. People will move, people will go back, people will build summer homes. I already have quite a few relatives and acquiantences who have homes in Armenia. During the summer they live there, and during the winter they live here at the same time pumping money into the economy.

[TomServo]

http://www.codehappy.net/mimage/wonka007.jpg

[D3ADSY]

She was hot. We had sex after I convinced her to shave her arms cause they were kind of hairy. None the less she was hott.

I remember you. I signed up because I had this urge to punch you in the face and then I felt shattered when I remembered it's the internets.

I still want to punch you in the face. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/grin2.gif

When one asks for forgiveness, it all depends on the individuals involved, not a holistic entity such as the people.

The two are very much related.

The third thing I have to say is in regards to reparations. If Armenia did some how get all their historic homelands back would YOU the Diaspora leave your homes in California, Boston, France, Sweden, Lebanon, etc... and move to your historic homelands? (which are poor, have a lack of jobs available, are isolated, lack amenities, lack decent transport systems, etc....)

Ofcourse they wouldn't. Armenians are leaving Armenia, I very much doubt anyone would pack up and leave a modern city to live in Kars.
The more important issue is this, what do Armenians hope to achieve by such a thing? Apart from Armenia looking bigger on a map, are there any benefits that are worth the costs involved?

[TomServo]

http://www.outpost-daria.com/fanfic/art/dfc/rev_daria_and_fashion_club.jpg

[zineD]

Hey there. What the hell is wrong with you "Turkish Dude"? I suppose you're an Armenian who signed up as a Turk on the forums... Whatever, you're a fool to ask Armenians questions like "Would you feel comfortable if you moved from California to Turkey? Would you like some "Armenian" coffee with that? Or maybe a hammam bath with some pretty girls? Yes sir?" Are you already giving up? Don't you realize you're being mocked on enemy territory (here) by Armenians? They would have to drop huge amounts of blood in vain if they want "their" lands back. Period.

[zineD]

She was hot. We had sex after I convinced her to shave her arms cause they were kind of hairy. None the less she was hott.

I never talked to her about our unique situation - but back than we didn't care. I guess if I saw her again I would deffinitly spark up a convo about this and see what she thinks.
Hah, screw you and your assimilated American attitude. Who are you trying to fool?

[imhye]

How old are you zineD? With a cartoon Hitler.

Go to a better school in Türkiye for proper education.

[zineD]

How old are you zineD? With a cartoon Hitler.

Go to a better school in Türkiye for proper education.
Hey, that's Cartman and you have no idea of what you are babbling about.

[imhye]

Well, I still suggest you spend more time on education than trying to fight with Armenians online. Otherwise you will turn out like this Turkish woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR0aBAHlX70

[zineD]

Well, I still suggest you spend more time on education than trying to fight with Armenians online. Otherwise you will turn out like this Turkish woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR0aBAHlX70
Aren't all of you (Armenians) fighting with Turks here? Claiming stuff you shouldn't? Constantly criticizing us? You are the ones who should spend more time on education and get rid of your obsession.

[karoaper]

*sigh*.

http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?p=145684&highlight=yapping#post145684

[imhye]

1. This is an Armenian forum.

2. You would claim stuff and criticize us too if we killed million or so Turks and then denied it.

3. We are edumucated, thank you very much.

[zineD]

Yeah, yeah I could insult your mother as well karoaper but I'll get banned because I'm a Turk. Your post was cheap, just like you.

[Anahita]

Q: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?
A: I hope not.

[zineD]

1. This is an Armenian forum.

2. You would claim stuff and criticize us too if we killed million or so Turks and then denied it.

3. We are edumucated, thank you very much.
You don't get it you Glendale thug, your kind keeps insulting and mocking us on this forum (and others); stop being nasty and I'll stop too.

[Anahita]

True hate kills you.

Reader: assume you is you.

[zineD]

True hate kills you.

Reader: assume you is you.
Why did you have to ruin the thread, Anahita? :(

[Anahita]

Why did you have to ruin the thread, Anahita? :(

I really don't see it that way... [peace emote]

[imhye]

You don't get it you Glendale thug, your kind keeps insulting and mocking us on this forum (and others); stop being nasty and I'll stop too.

I don't live in Glendale. I am not a thug - far from it.

Armenians are very friendly people. Want to be friends?

[D3ADSY]

The only insults I see in this thread are those coming from Turks-in-denial and aimed at Turkish Dude. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/ugh.gif

[zineD]

The only insults I see in this thread are those coming from Turks-in-denial and aimed at Turkish Dude. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/ugh.gif
Then what was ace's post about? You must be blind when it comes to your kind, and biased, as always...

[D3ADSY]

Then what was ace's post about? You must be blind when it comes to your kind, and biased, as always...

I think Ace is a retard actually, and I already addressed his post.
I'm not blind and I try not to be biased.

[EMRE]

Can any Armenians understand why genocide recognition amongst the Turkish population is going to be a VERY slow process?


ASS-KISSER OF THE YEAR

congratulations!!!I hope the back pain you acquired in kissing more asses than anyone else I know was worth it.you have smooched, fawned over and drooled on more behinds,than a great dane.your ambition lends more sucking power to your lips than a high power vacuum.ass kisser of the year pro-claimed turk.I honour you!!!!!

we were taught:the turkish nation is the most noble nation of the world,its not possible for such a nation to commit genocide..only we protected armenians,and they served ottoman empires very faithfully...

[imhye]

we were taught:the turkish nation is the most noble nation of the world,its not possible for such a nation to commit genocide..only we protected armenians,and they served ottoman empires very faithfully...

Of course you were taught that. Turkey tells its citizens fairy tales. Most noble nation (laughing). North Korea tells its citizens the same thing.

And what's this crap about how you protected Armenians and we served the Ottoman Empire very faithfully. We weren't servants or your dogs. We turned out to be more intelligent and successful than most Turks, that's why jealously started to occur, which then turned out to be hatred for "foreign Christian minorities" and led to our genocide.

[Sip]

we were taught:the turkish nation is the most noble nation of the world,its not possible for such a nation to commit genocide..only we protected armenians,and they served ottoman empires very faithfully...

You should have been taught: The exact opposite.

[zineD]

Of course you were taught that. Turkey tells its citizens fairy tales. Most noble nation (laughing). North Korea tells its citizens the same thing.

And what's this crap about how you protected Armenians and we served the Ottoman Empire very faithfully. We weren't servants or your dogs. We turned out to be more intelligent and successful than most Turks, that's why jealously started to occur, which then turned out to be hatred for "foreign Christian minorities" and led to our genocide.
I wouldn't call that jealousy, I'd call it betrayal.

[Vlad_Arm]

I don't think that it will be forever...
Once, ages ago, armenians used to hate Iranians becasue of pain they caused to our Nations. Years passed, they recognized what they did, generations changed, and now, there are no any conflicts with Iran.
If everything remains calm, Turks recognize what they did throughout the histroy, and at list one more generation change from now on, the things will be okay.

[Vlad_Arm]

I think that the government can stand and tell all the truth to it's nation. If the Turks are so inteligent and nobel as they claim, they will understand and noone will die of hart attack becuse of shock. Maybe they will gain more cinfidence in their current government.

I have never suffered personal harm from Turks,but my family did. I know that my Faters grandmother's family (parents siblings) got killed at that times.
Did you see the Ararat film? Aznavour says "I am not offended because so many people got killed. I am offended becasue I can't understand why they should hate our nation in such extent" (I don't remember the exact wording).
I am ready to sign under this statement.


Due to development of technlogies, the earth became too small place, and it's to expencive for humanity to be in fight. The must be found ways to establish peace on the whole earth. I think one step is done... Noone seems to be fighting for invading new territories like it was before. If the people learn to love each other, all of us will benefit from it.

And belive it will be day (don't even dreem we are not gonna see it in hour lifes) that the whole earth will be one union.

[imhye]

I have never suffered personal harm from Turks,but my family did. I know that my Faters grandmother's family (parents siblings) got killed at that times.

Modern Armenians including you and I still suffer personal harm caused from Turks. The Turkish denial campaign induces psychological effects.

[Vlad_Arm]

Modern Armenians including you and I still suffer personal harm caused from Turks. The Turkish denial campaign induces psychological effects.


Dunno... I, personally, never feel hate when I realise that someone in front of or near me is Turk, but I may go nuts reading Turkish and Azerbaydjani news about Armenia.

[Quarteria]

Hah, screw you and your assimilated American attitude. Who are you trying to fool?

You silly silly little xxxxx. You are speaking negatively about something American, while having an American pop-culture symbol in your avatar. Please choose one side of the fence or the other. You also have Eric in a Halloween costume of Adolph Hitler. WOW! Do you know how to make friends or what?

[skhara]

lol.

You beat me to it. I was going to say that Cartman is American. As American as Apple Pie! :D


More seriously, I completely and totally lack any kind of "victim mentality", it would be better for all those who 'hurt' to harden yourselves. I completely support our campaign against our enemies and righteous anger should be the only emotion attached. God I hate pathetic mentalities and flat out obsession.

[Anonymouse]

You don't get it you Glendale thug, your kind keeps insulting and mocking us on this forum (and others); stop being nasty and I'll stop too.

Oh boo hoo, is the little Turk insulted by mere words? What sort of insult is that compared to the insult you have thrown toward Armenians? Your government tried to destroy Armenians, it continues to deny it, you continue to support it, and you have the gall to come in here and lecture us about mocking? Who is mocking who? Knowing full well this is an Armenian forum where peoples' families have been victims of the Turkish government's bloodlusting, you want to not only deny Turkish guilt in the process (nevermind the fact you don't want discuss since we all know you aren't interested in that because what's there to discuss right?), you expect us, myself as an example, who have had family perish by the tip of a Turkish scimitar to sit here and just pretend nothing is wrong?

I think you are gravely mistaken coming in here with that high and mighty attitude of yours. If you were a bit more cordial and a bit more respectful, there would be no reason for anyone to harp on you. But that is the thing with most Turks. Most of them are always short on comprehending this simple play of action. They come to Armenians with an insulting and mocking attitude with the sole purpose of inciting passions sort of as an insulting tease, and when they proceed to be insulted in return, they wonder why they are being insulted. Maybe it has to do with the fact that this is a very hot and emotional issue and which has affected the lives of millions of Armenians on scales you cannot even comprehend.

Don't lecture us about mocking or insulting. If you come here actually being respectful, which I doubt you are since from the first post your goal was to incite us, you will be treated the same as your friend up above. But if you come in here expecting some sort of red carpet treatment after an initial insulting attitude you are in for a let down.

[Quarteria]

lol.

You beat me to it. I was going to say that Cartman is American. As American as Apple Pie! :D


More seriously, I completely and totally lack any kind of "victim mentality", it would be better for all those who 'hurt' to harden yourselves. I completely support our campaign against our enemies and righteous anger should be the only emotion attached. God I hate pathetic mentalities and flat out obsession.

I knew there was a reason I thought you were cool. :D :cool:

Mouse: *standing ovation*

[EMRE]

Of course you were taught that. Turkey tells its citizens fairy tales. Most noble nation (laughing). North Korea tells its citizens the same thing.

And what's this crap about how you protected Armenians and we served the Ottoman Empire very faithfully. We weren't servants or your dogs. We turned out to be more intelligent and successful than most Turks, that's why jealously started to occur, which then turned out to be hatred for "foreign Christian minorities" and led to our genocide.


why dont you let your mam pamper you for a while....!!!!! in this way,you will understand everything,you are too naive to understand:(

[Anonymouse]

It must be afternoon in Turkey which is why EMRE is up posting.

[parthiapride]

I knew there was a reason I thought you were cool. :D :cool:

Mouse: *standing ovation*

He's so cool that he denies the Holocaust on the other Armenian nationalist forum.

:rolleyes:

[Turkish Dude]

Hey there. What the hell is wrong with you "Turkish Dude"? I suppose you're an Armenian who signed up as a Turk on the forums... Whatever, you're a fool to ask Armenians questions like "Would you feel comfortable if you moved from California to Turkey? Would you like some "Armenian" coffee with that? Or maybe a hammam bath with some pretty girls? Yes sir?" Are you already giving up? Don't you realize you're being mocked on enemy territory (here) by Armenians? They would have to drop huge amounts of blood in vain if they want "their" lands back. Period.
I dont live in California actually (or that side of the Atlantic) and Im not Armenian.

I know what most Armenians want but that is irrelevant because they wont get any lands back as part of an Armenian nation. However if individual Armenians want their own lands back in Turkey then thats a different issue. However there arises a situation of wherever or not Armenians would want to live in Turkey. A further problem in Turkey is the lies spread about Armenians which breed hatred against the Armenians from before the Turks and the Kurds (for instance most people in Turkey think the PKK is funded by Armenia, or at least they hide out in Armenia, or even Ocalan being an Armenian). If Armenians were to move into eastern provinces of Turkey then life lets just say wouldnt be easy.

PS Why are you here?

[Turkish Dude]

The only insults I see in this thread are those coming from Turks-in-denial and aimed at Turkish Dude. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/ugh.gif

Yeah your actually right.

See below:
ASS-KISSER OF THE YEAR

congratulations!!!I hope the back pain you acquired in kissing more asses than anyone else I know was worth it.you have smooched, fawned over and drooled on more behinds,than a great dane.your ambition lends more sucking power to your lips than a high power vacuum.ass kisser of the year pro-claimed turk.I honour you!!!!!

we were taught:the turkish nation is the most noble nation of the world,its not possible for such a nation to commit genocide..only we protected armenians,and they served ottoman empires very faithfully...

[Turkish Dude]

I don't think that it will be forever...
Once, ages ago, armenians used to hate Iranians becasue of pain they caused to our Nations. Years passed, they recognized what they did, generations changed, and now, there are no any conflicts with Iran.
If everything remains calm, Turks recognize what they did throughout the histroy, and at list one more generation change from now on, the things will be okay.
I hope your right.

I dont agree with your whole world being one nation idea, its a nice idea but I can envision it happening.

[Turkish Dude]

You don't get it you Glendale thug, your kind keeps insulting and mocking us on this forum (and others); stop being nasty and I'll stop too.

I may not agree with some things you have said but I agree with this.

I have read countless forums of Armenians saying their hate towards the Turks. Fortunately on this forum the on hate I've encountered is from Turks and not Armenians. However I think there are anti Turkish issues in the Armenian community that the Armenians need to sort out. What I mean is sure it is understandable that you should hate the government of Turkey but I dont think the people of Turkey should also be hated.

[Turkish Dude]

He's so cool that he denies the Holocaust on the other Armenian nationalist forum.

:rolleyes:

Denies the Holocaust? :eek:

[dsarkasian]

He's so cool that he denies the Holocaust on the other Armenian nationalist forum.

:rolleyes:
What other Armenian nationalist forum are you referring to?

[parthiapride]

There you go:

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Armenian_Diaspora/index.php?showtopic=938

[Thai-Samurai]

I don't want to hate Turks forever, in fact if the gov't accepted the Genocide and showed some sign that they cared for our feelings, and made steps to be friends, I'd probably like them a lot. But can anyone imagine that happening? Turkey is aiding Azerbaijan and would love to invade Armenia again one day.

[parthiapride]

I hate all of you. In the next war I'll be raping armenoid, turanoid, and dravidian xxxxxes...

Time to spread the love...

[EMRE]

[QUOTE=Anonymouse]It must be afternoon in Turkey which is why EMRE is up posting


hahahahaha:naughty:

[Anahita]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39945000/jpg/_39945655_hungary203bodyap.jpg

WORT Community Radio, Madison, WI
http://www.wort-fm.org/station.shtml [Live webcast]

Schedule: US Central Time
http://www.wort-fm.org/schedule/schedule.htm

Earlier today, on WORT, there were shows on the current genocide and war in Africa (using abducted children in Uganda as forced fighters). Monday they'll talk about China (likely, Falun Gong.)

[ace]

I remember you. I signed up because I had this urge to punch you in the face and then I felt shattered when I remembered it's the internets.

I still want to punch you in the face. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/grin2.gif

Wait, are you the guy that was sexually frustrated over my whole "virgin wife" thing?

[Anahita]

Wait, are you the guy that was sexually frustrated over my whole "virgin wife" thing?

Define 'virgin.'

No fighting on my watch.

[ace]

Define 'virgin.'



D3ADSY

[Anahita]

D3ADSY

Interesting....

[D3ADSY]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/emoticry.gif



You are proof that virginity or lack thereof is by no means a sign of a person's level of maturity. But what do you expect from a 16 year old who can't keep his xxxx in his pants but expects his wife to be a virgin? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/grin2.gif

[ace]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/emoticry.gif



You are proof that virginity or lack thereof is by no means a sign of a person's level of maturity. But what do you expect from a 16 year old who can't keep his xxxx in his pant but expects his wife to be a virgin? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/grin2.gif

Well, how can I expect a man who has accepted the fact that such arrogant and immature men like me can POSSIBLY one day pump their warm hot semen into their to be wives and daughters to understand a complex individual such as myself.

[Anahita]

moved post to Ankap

[Quarteria]

HOW DO SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS HERE END UP ON THIS TOPIC?!!!

What does this have to do with the op?

[ace]

HOW DO SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS HERE END UP ON THIS TOPIC?!!!

What does this have to do with the op?

I dunno, D3ADSY appearently has no life and tries to herass me in every thread he can find me in.

[D3ADSY]

Well, how can I expect a man who has accepted the fact that such arrogant and immature men like me can POSSIBLY one day pump their warm hot semen into their to be wives and daughters to understand a complex individual such as myself.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/cool.gif

Highschool insults only really work in highschool, buddy.

[ace]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Sturmvogel/INTARWEBS/cool.gif

Highschool insults only really work in highschool, buddy.

I still love you, but stop being a lil b1tch. :)

[transience]

D3ADSY's in charge.

[ace]

Right. Okay, now I know where your stock is from. No more needs to be said.

http://panarmenian.net/library/eng/?nid=103

[Ari]

lol

just shows you how stupid you are

[karoaper]

lol

just shows you how stupid you are

lol don't use Armenian standards bro, use Turkish standards. By them, he's an average joe.

[ACuriousTurk]

I do fear though that the way most Armenians have tackled this issue only hurts the relationship between our people. Instead of saying "the Turks did it," - it would be more logical to say "the Zionist movenment used the Turkish people and the Turkish forces as a tool."


I dont think anybody would be able to handle the amount of chutzpah
that would head their way as a result of saying such a thing.

[Iran Forever]

Emre, shame on YOU for denying the Genocide.

[Demon Fox]

I don't know what we're talking about at this moment, but yes it is possible.
However, I have never heard a turk apologize for what his/her people did. What I always hear from other turkish students is "How do you know we did it?!"

[HyeWayCop]

No we wont if urks recognize the Genocide then we wil stop hating byt the turks think its funny to ignore it so till then we will have hatred towards them.

[Iran Forever]

You've got it backwards pal, Turks hate Armenians, and show their continued hatred by denying the Genocide...Armenian brothers...read this piece I am forwarding...after reading the page...page ALL the way DOWN to where it says, NEXT PAGE and click on it to move to next...read about Turks' history here (taken from a book about how Turks expelled Greeks from Constantinople): Make sure you click on BOTTOM RIGHT hand corner to go to next page:

http://www.greece.org/genocide/books/miracle/page75-76.html

[alby]

I would not call it hatred toward the Turkish people, I would say frustration and anger against the Turkish government, which manifests itself into hate against the government not the people.
The Kurds had participated in part in the massacres too but they agknowleged it and recognized that Genocide had taken place not too long ago. We do not have any issues with them now, nor do we hate them.
The Turkish people are manipulated and controlled by its government’s propaganda into believing that Armenian cause is a farce, why? Because the Turkish government does not wish to compensate billions of dollars to the descendents of those Armenians who did suffer under the Ottoman rule, nor do they wish to handover any land. Moderate and open minded Turks are not welcome in the government and they are treated harshly if they speak of the Armenian Genocide in many cases forcing them to leave the country.
People as a rule are very manipulative even in the most advanced countries like WWII Germany or today’s America where the government manipulated its people into going to war in Iraq on false pretexts. So I don’t think the Turks and Armenians have any quarrel with each other on personal level, they are very similar people in many ways, the biggest difference is the religion and this difference has been the cause of many unhappy events throughout the history in the world.
That was my very short take to this question.

[Mireille]

We will never forget nor forgive lol