is the Swastika an Armenian symbol?

[Nersez]

is the Swastika an Armenian symbol?........just askin..........

[Sip]

Here's what Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika) has to say about it.

[Anahita]

Here's what Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika) has to say about it.

Hmm. Does anyone know the Earth is being killed... by you?

[Anonymouse]

It's an ancient Aryan symbol used by the variety of Indo-European peoples. That's that.

[Armenian]

It's an ancient Aryan symbol used by the variety of Indo-European peoples. That's that.

That is only a partial answer.

The symbol in question has their oldest dipictions within mesolithic and neolithic petroglphys of the Armenian Highlands. The solar sun disc, known as the "Swastika" by Indo-Aryans, was a sacred symbol worshiped by early humans. Our christian symbol of "eternity," seen commonly in Armenian churches, art and sculpture, is actually a direct descendant, or evolution, of the Swastika. Also let us not forget that the Armenian Highlands are indeed the birthplace of Aryans, and human civilization.

[Armenian]

Interesting links regarding Armenian Petroglyphs:

http://www.iatp.am/ara/sites/gaghap/index.htm
http://www.arminco.com/hayknet/naskal.htm

http://www.arminco.com/hayknet/45.gifhttp://www.arminco.com/hayknet/a4.gifhttp://www.arminco.com/hayknet/56.gifhttp://www.arminco.com/hayknet/63.gif

[Anonymouse]

Also let us not forget that the Armenian Highlands are indeed the birthplace of Aryans, and human civilization.

That's purely conjecture.

[Armenian]

That's purely conjecture.

Perhaps, but it is based upon numerous archeaological findings and lingustics analysis. If interested see the following thread: http://z4.invisionfree.com/Armenian_Diaspora/index.php?showtopic=199

[Anonymouse]

Perhaps, but it is based upon numerous archeaological findings and lingustics analysis. If interested see the following thread: http://z4.invisionfree.com/Armenian_Diaspora/index.php?showtopic=199

I understand that all theories are based on some bits of evidence, but for me, it's not so much important what came from where, since that is all in some mythological and dreamy past. What is important to me is what we do with what we have and how to preserve and extend our generations into forbidden futures. And that is a goal not many Armenians seem to share or care to share.

Saghin berel en letsrel en es kharnaranum, yev ays mis aghatsi mech sagh junjuvoom en. Voch harganka mnatsel azgutyan, martkutyan yev ain banera voronk martkants bajanum en. Hyerenel tarvel en es otar molloryal alikneri mech, yev shatera chen haskanum te incha katarvum kam inch a spasum apagayum, voch menak hyerin ayl bolorin. Bayts im mitkas menak hyernen voch orishnera.

[Armenian]

I understand that all theories are based on some bits of evidence...

Actually, the theory is based on much more than "bits of evidence." When you have time please look at the materials I have posted regarding the Armenian Highlands, and compare it to anyother region on earth. Human civilization evolved, or was created, within the Armenian Highlands. I think too much effort is being placed in teaching our children the "black pages" of our history. We are at a point today that we have massive numbers of Armenians in the western world who only associate our genocide with Armenian heritage.

This is counter-productive for it creates self-hating and often insecure individuals with victim mentalities. Try explaining to an average Amerikahai that their ancestral homeland was the epicenter of human civilization, or that western culture was derived from Asia Minor, or that various Armenian kingdoms protected the eastern gates of Christendom for about a thousand years.

but for me, it's not so much important what came from where, since that is all in some mythological and dreamy past. What is important to me is what we do with what we have and how to preserve and extend our generations into forbidden futures. And that is a goal not many Armenians seem to share or care to share.

Yes, but unfortunately, this will "zartonk" will not happen. Armenians in the diaspora don't care about our rich culture and ancient heritage, they are too busy trying to "fit in." We are too busy trying to be Americans, Russians, French and, some, Turkish. Therefore, I suggest you think in terms of quality not quantity.

There are small numbers of Armenian surviving in the diaspora who actually know what Armenianism is all about. There are small numbers of Armenians who do love and want to preserve Armenian cultural heritage. We need to befriend and encourage these nationalist folk and simply ignore the others.

Living as Armenians in the diaspora without establishing physical connections with the homelamd is living a lie. We also need to begin thinking in terms of pan-Armenianism. Finnaly, Armenians need to start planning for eventual re-patriation. At the very least, we need to being spending our vacations in our homeland.

Saghin berel en letsrel en es kharnaranum, yev ays mis aghatsi mech sagh junjuvoom en. Voch harganka mnatsel azgutyan, martkutyan yev ain banera voronk martkants bajanum en. Hyerenel tarvel en es otar molloryal alikneri mech, yev shatera chen haskanum te incha katarvum kam inch a spasum apagayum, voch menak hyerin ayl bolorin. Bayts im mitkas menak hyernen voch orishnera.

Mer azgi metsmasdutyun@ otaramol en. Hetevabar, dshbaxdabar, mer spyurk@ mernum e. Yev ays mah@ shad arag e taradzvum: I gave up on the Armenian diaspora a long time ago. Our dispora is headed to oblivion, very fast.

[Nersez]

the reason im askin this question is because the Armenians used it in the ancient days. the website i found it on is http://www.angelfire.com/hi/Azgaser/swastika.html :naughty:

[Sip]

Hmm. Does anyone know the Earth is being killed... by you?

At this point, who really cares what you have to say? :confused: The one thing I hate more than tree hugging hippies is tree hugging hippies that ruin every thread. Can you even comprehend the concepts of "organization", "sections", "threads", "when to say what", or do you just give into your mental/verbal diarrhea anytime/anywhere?

[D3ADSY]

Yes Nersez the Swastika is an Armenian symbol. The rights were sold to Hitler Corp. during the mid 1920s.

Sieg xxxxing heil.

[Nersez]

Yes Nersez the Swastika is an Armenian symbol. The rights were sold to Hitler Corp. during the mid 1920s.

Sieg xxxxing heil.
thanks for the info but i dont trust or listen to Nazi Germans :) :laugh:

[Nersez]

tell all you guys the truth, i myself dont think the Swastika is an Armenian symbol.

[Anonymouse]

Mer azgi metsmasdutyun@ otaramol en. Hetevabar, dshbaxdabar, mer spyurk@ mernum e. Yev ays mah@ shad arag e taradzvum: I gave up on the Armenian diaspora a long time ago. Our dispora is headed to oblivion, very fast.


I've been thinking and trying to find the best way to translate "otaramol" into English but I can't quite seem to find an exact word or phrase to match it perfectly in its essence. I am not suggesting that there is one, but at least an approximation.

I want to be able to explain exactly this to some of our Armenian posters who probably have no idea what that word means.

As far as our diaspora, if you want to see the state of the Armenian diaspora, you can go to any one of those stupid house parties, and clubs and see the Armenians dancing mindlessly under "E" and crystal meth and behaving like nothing more than animals.

If such is what Armenians are and have become, then they deserve to die. Any people who lose their spirit, their sense of self, and their will to power and life, do not deserve consciousness.

And occasionally you see those Armenians, that, despite not doing drugs or living mindlessly, have chosen to end up with some otar and think they have finally found 'the truth'!

Either way, a lose-lose situation. Can it be salvaged? Logic says otherwise, the heart only hopes.

[tunot]

I've been thinking and trying to find the best way to translate "otaramol" into English but I can't quite seem to find an exact word or phrase to match it perfectly in its essence. I am not suggesting that there is one, but at least an approximation.

How about xenophile?

I want to be able to explain exactly this to some of our Armenian posters who probably have no idea what that word means.

As far as our diaspora, if you want to see the state of the Armenian diaspora, you can go to any one of those stupid house parties, and clubs and see the Armenians dancing mindlessly under "E" and crystal meth and behaving like nothing more than animals.

If such is what Armenians are and have become, then they deserve to die. Any people who lose their spirit, their sense of self, and their will to power and life, do not deserve consciousness.

And occasionally you see those Armenians, that, despite not doing drugs or living mindlessly, have choosen to end up with some otar and think they have finally found 'the truth'!

Either way, a lose-lose situation. Can it be salvaged? Logic says otherwise, the heart only hopes.

I don't think the diaspora is the place to look for preservation. Especially in the West. You'll have to go back to Armenia for that. That's why our ideal and motto should be "Depi Hayrenik" and not "Depi Spyurk." Only then can we put all our efforts into building Armenia, our Armenia, for us to return to.

[karoaper]

I've been thinking and trying to find the best way to translate "otaramol" into English but I can't quite seem to find an exact word or phrase to match it perfectly in its essence. I am not suggesting that there is one, but at least an approximation.

mouse, you could break otaramol into 2 roots: otar (meaning foreign) and mol (from molorvats, meaning stray). So, as so many Armenians words are, this one needs a phrase to explain it: "a stray in the foreign".

[Quarteria]

I still don't understand "a stray in the foreign". Is that close to xenophobe? It sounds more like somebody who has married outside the race...is that it?

Would somebody please tell me what "Depi Hayrenik" and "Depi Spyurk" mean...even if you want to pm it to me?

[karoaper]

I still don't understand "a stray in the foreign". Is that close to xenophobe? It sounds more like somebody who has married outside the race...is that it?

Would somebody please tell me what "Depi Hayrenik" and "Depi Spyurk" mean...even if you want to pm it to me?

no it's closer to xenophile, except a xenophile is not a bad thing. otaramol on the other hand is someone who is away from his/her culture and straying in a foreign one.

[Quarteria]

no it's closer to xenophile, except a xenophile is not a bad thing. otaramol on the other hand is someone who is away from his/her culture and straying in a foreign one.

Thank you karoaper. :)

[Anonymouse]

no it's closer to xenophile, except a xenophile is not a bad thing. otaramol on the other hand is someone who is away from his/her culture and straying in a foreign one.

Thanks for that clarification.

The word 'otaramol' is best understood in terms of Armenians have a tendency, or some sort of drive to stray away from their culture and into a foreign one.

One example I have noticed is the following: When I meet second or third generation hispanics, they are insistent and adamant on pronouncing their last name such as Roberto Rodriguez in a Spanish style and accent. Second or third generation Armenians I have met that have been named Harut or Hagop, became Harry and Jack, and the "Simonian" was pronounced in an Anglocized sort of way, the "o" in Simonian sounding closer to the sound of "own" in English than the "o" in Armenian, and the last "ian" part sounding more like the name "Ian" as opposed to the sound of "yan" in Armenian.

This is just one example.

[Anonymouse]

How about xenophile?



I don't think the diaspora is the place to look for preservation. Especially in the West. You'll have to go back to Armenia for that. That's why our ideal and motto should be "Depi Hayrenik" and not "Depi Spyurk." Only then can we put all our efforts into building Armenia, our Armenia, for us to return to.

No doubt there, but we can still attempt to maintain the foundation here in an effort to focus there. One of my plans is, in due time, to one day have my own house in the rural outskirts of Yerevan.

[ace]

No doubt there, but we can still attempt to maintain the foundation here in an effort to focus there. One of my plans is, in due time, to one day have my own house in the rural outskirts of Yerevan.

I'll meet you there.

[Quarteria]

I'll meet you there.

:) :) :)

[Armenian]

I've been thinking and trying to find the best way to translate "otaramol" into English but I can't quite seem to find an exact word or phrase to match it perfectly in its essence. I am not suggesting that there is one, but at least an approximation.

I want to be able to explain exactly this to some of our Armenian posters who probably have no idea what that word means.

As far as our diaspora, if you want to see the state of the Armenian diaspora, you can go to any one of those stupid house parties, and clubs and see the Armenians dancing mindlessly under "E" and crystal meth and behaving like nothing more than animals.

If such is what Armenians are and have become, then they deserve to die. Any people who lose their spirit, their sense of self, and their will to power and life, do not deserve consciousness.

And occasionally you see those Armenians, that, despite not doing drugs or living mindlessly, have chosen to end up with some otar and think they have finally found 'the truth'!

Either way, a lose-lose situation. Can it be salvaged? Logic says otherwise, the heart only hopes.

Lyovin hamadzayn em.

Like I said, majority of Diaspora Armenians today are too busy trying to "fit into" their adopted societies. For most Diaspora Armenians, their Armenian identity is like a favorite shirt they like to wear on weekends. As far as I'm concerned, being an Armenian is a way of life - its a mentality. One cannot claim to be a proud Armenian without having a physical connection to the homeland. Having said that, I want to let you know that I too am looking to purchase a dwelling within Armenia.

Note: Although I am not sure but the term "mol" in the word Otaramol is derived from molerant, meaning extreme/fanatic in English. Otar means non-Armenian (stranger). Thus, I think "Otaramol" translates as: A person being extremely into things none-Armenian.

Anyway, I think we all get the point.

[tunot]

Would somebody please tell me what "Depi Hayrenik" and "Depi Spyurk" mean...even if you want to pm it to me?

Depi Hayrenik means "towards the homeland."
Depi Spyurk means "towards the diaspora."

[Quarteria]

Depi Hayrenik means "towards the homeland."
Depi Spyurk means "towards the diaspora."


Ahhh. Thank you, tunot.