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  • #11
    Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

    Originally posted by Chubs View Post
    I didn't mean that literally, its a national symbol, and more importantly, many Armenians use it to represent our ethnic group.

    There is no way we would be able to control the area, many of the inhabitants are Turks, Azeris, or Kurds. No Armenians there, no support in the area for the state, and no way to put Armenians there again without committing genocide.




    How do you suggest we preserve our cultural monuments, churches, and areas? Invade Turkey and have Bob The Builder restore everything? Turkey will not recognize the genocide, without immense international pressure, thats obvious. They really do not have to recognize the genocide, we can have a third party with the goal of preserving historical sites, set up an organization made to save those areas. Other than that, there really is no other way to guarantee the safety of what is left of our presence in the area.



    And, how do you suggest we stop them, without cooperating with them like civilized human beings?

    Van has a population of around 1 million people, Kars, 300,000. Not a single one is probably an Armenian, who speaks Armenian.

    The Armenian state, is the Republic and Artsakh. Thats that. We are a small, densely populated nation, with little political and military power. How, in the name of fxxk, would we be able to 'regain' control of those lands? They no longer belong to us, they were stolen from us or given away. Receiving Ararat as a reparation, just the mountain, would be a blessing. "Igdir", well, it might actually be realistic, but you would see a mass migration of the population from the new territory to Turkey or you would see a brand new and very large Turk minority in Armenia.

    Armenia's future is in the East, and Ararat as a reparation is not insane, and has been a realistic proposal



    I never said we should forget and let go of what was ours, having a joint Armenian-Turkish commission with a goal of preservation and restoration is a way of keeping what was once ours. It doesn't have to be because of the genocide, it could be just for the sake of preserving and recording human history.



    Artashes, I am glad you are not a politician. If you were, Armenia would be in deep trouble with the UN and Human Rights Watch
    There is no reason to believe demographics won't change. We need to be able to not see things in the static. Look at what is currently happening in Syria, in Iraq in recent years. Lebanon was a Christian majority country at independence in 1943. At the moment of the recognition of Israel in 1948, half of the population in the designated j3wish section (modern israel) of the Palestine Mandate were Arabs. They were simply expelled during the mayham.


    All of this is some idealistic scenario that may not even occur in our lifetime. The important part is being ready when the moment is there. And do I have any reservations about the expulsion of the people currently inhabiting Moosh, Taron, and Sassoun if they chose to not be royal to an Armenian nation? the same people who raped and murdered our people who had inhabited that land for 3,000 years? The same people who took little girls and turned them into their xxxxxs? who took little boys from orphanages and forced them to subsequently serve as infantry in the Armenian-Turkish war? I absolutely do not.


    There is very little left of Armenian monuments in Western Armenia that hasn't been ruined already. What is left now Turkey is more sensitive to protecting because of the international attention. The only way these monuments and churches can ever be preserved is by return of them to their rightful owner: the Armenian Church. In the moment of massive events, you won't have to worry about people going to damage monuments, they'll have bigger concerns.

    How do we populate that land? Currently Mongolia with 2.9 million people controls TEN TIMES more land than our ideal Unified Armenia would (Armenia/Artsakh+Nakhichevan+Javakh+Western Armenia). So I think we would manage .

    Turkey can keep it recognition and it's reparation. No nation has ever given anything up, or admitted to any crimes, or paid any reparations without being on it's knees with a gun at it's head. Armenia should absolutely look to the east. However, Armenians should never forget, and we can never stop looking for the chance to retake what is rightfully ours, regardless of how much time passes.
    <<եթե զենք էլ չլինի' ես քարերով կկրվեմ>>

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      Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • #13
        Re: Western Armenia facebook page hacked by Turks

        Originally posted by Mher View Post
        There is no reason to believe demographics won't change. We need to be able to not see things in the static. Look at what is currently happening in Syria, in Iraq in recent years. Lebanon was a Christian majority country at independence in 1943. At the moment of the recognition of Israel in 1948, half of the population in the designated j3wish section (modern israel) of the Palestine Mandate were Arabs. They were simply expelled during the mayham.


        All of this is some idealistic scenario that may not even occur in our lifetime. The important part is being ready when the moment is there. And do I have any reservations about the expulsion of the people currently inhabiting Moosh, Taron, and Sassoun if they chose to not be royal to an Armenian nation? the same people who raped and murdered our people who had inhabited that land for 3,000 years? The same people who took little girls and turned them into their xxxxxs? who took little boys from orphanages and forced them to subsequently serve as infantry in the Armenian-Turkish war? I absolutely do not.


        There is very little left of Armenian monuments in Western Armenia that hasn't been ruined already. What is left now Turkey is more sensitive to protecting because of the international attention. The only way these monuments and churches can ever be preserved is by return of them to their rightful owner: the Armenian Church. In the moment of massive events, you won't have to worry about people going to damage monuments, they'll have bigger concerns.

        How do we populate that land? Currently Mongolia with 2.9 million people controls TEN TIMES more land than our ideal Unified Armenia would (Armenia/Artsakh+Nakhichevan+Javakh+Western Armenia). So I think we would manage .

        Turkey can keep it recognition and it's reparation. No nation has ever given anything up, or admitted to any crimes, or paid any reparations without being on it's knees with a gun at it's head. Armenia should absolutely look to the east. However, Armenians should never forget, and we can never stop looking for the chance to retake what is rightfully ours, regardless of how much time passes.
        Although I could quote many things in the two posts above by Mher, I'll leave it at one phrase, and simply suggest reading his two above posts.

        -------------- (quote) -------- regardless of how much time passes ---------

        Well said.
        HARK

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