Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[AstalaVist]

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Մամուլի հաղորդագրություն
Ս.թ. հուլիսի 28-ին N զորամասում տեղի է ունեցել միջադեպ՝ հրազենային զենքի կիրառմամբ: Կան զոհեր: Փաստի առթիվ հարուցված է քրեական գործ, կատարվում է նախաքննություն:
Զինված ուժերի ղեկավարությունը խորին ցավակցություն է հայտնում զոհերի հարազատներին ու մերձավորներին՝ նշելով, որ խստագույնս ցուցումներ են տրվել համապատասխան ծառայություններին՝ դեպքի բոլոր մանրամասները պարզելու համար:

ՀՀ ՊՆ տեղեկատվության և հասարակայնության հետ կապերի վարչություն

Incha nshanakum ka zoher? 2 hat 5 hat 10 hat? chem karoxanuma arden kargin mtazel es voryerord depqna arden? Chist ein asum mezer@ vor menqenq mer amena mez tshnamin..

Seyran Ohanyan@ Afghanstanum man galu tex@ tox gna u ashxathi bazatri zohvazneri harazatnerin te vonza iranz yerexan "inchvor meki" shnarohiv zohvel? Esel mi koxm dnenq.. Aysor haytararvez vor Rusastan@ zaxuma Adrbejanin S-300 hakaodayin pasphanutyan sistemner..

Ura paron naxagah? ura pashtpanutyan naxarar@? ura sparazinutyan heqyatner@? ura uji havasarachapum@?

[burjuin]

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Huchapi mi matnveq. Hayastanum amen 4 or michin hachvov mard en spanum. ais anqam el banakum, vordeh bnakanabar zenq ka. Aid tesaketic haykakan hasarakutyan mech banake amena karkapah shert e. Inch verabervume S-300, da bacarcak sut e, ev herqvac e Rosoboronexporti pashtonakan ancanc kohmic

[Joseph]

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This is bad, even worse than Azerbaijan. Who are those small-minded xxxxxxx that feel the need to constantly bully and harass conscripts?? There are other ways to deal with insubordination and a soldier who falls asleep on watch

http://news.am/eng/news/26431.html

Five servicemen were killed in the incident in one of the Armenian military units, the coordinator of the Helsinki Citizens’ Assembly Vanadzor Office Arthur Sakunts said, noting that it is preliminary information that has to be clarified.

According to Sakunts, there are 4 officers and a private among the victims. The officers caught soldiers sleeping on watch. They waked them up and started humiliating them. As a result, one of the soldiers took the gun and started firing. Thereafter he shot himself.

The human rights defender also noted that he keeps on clarifying the details.

As NEWS.am reported earlier referring to the Armenian Defense Ministry press service, an armed incident occurred in one of the Armenian military units on July 28. According to the source, there are victims.

[Eddo211]

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This is bad, even worse than Azerbaijan. Who are those small-minded xxxxxxx that feel the need to constantly bully and harass conscripts?? There are other ways to deal with insubordination and a soldier who falls asleep on watch

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This is terrible news.....WTF is going on over there? I know hazing does happen in many military but out right killings? this is going way too far with officers hummiliating soldiers, that is never the way to do it. This is the side effects from USSR. Mayre tarrem, el menk kake haneleng.

Astalavist: jhishten asoom mezer@, menq misht mer amena mez tshnamineng ele, khartzez menk chebiti voshangham sovereng....amot mezik. (Sorry for bad Armenian)


Same exact xxxx in Azerbaijan today

Six Dead In Shooting Incident On Azerbaijani Military Base

BAKU (RFE/RL)–Two Azerbaijani soldiers today shot and killed four officers, including their unit’s commander, before turning their weapons on themselves.

Two other servicemen were wounded in the incident, which took place at a military base in Azerbaijan’s western Dashkesan region, near the border with Armenia.

It’s not clear what provoked the incident. But the shooting is the latest in a series of troubling events in the Azerbaijani military, including a similar shooting on a military base in May 2009, and the assassination of the country’s air force commander that February.

Ilqar Mammadov, a Baku-based political analyst, says the shooting will likely lead to criticism and sharper scrutiny of how the armed services are managed.

“This is a very sad incident. And it most likely reflects problems in the military administration,” Mammadov said. “These kinds of attacks happen occasionally on military bases, where sometimes emotions run high.”

Today’s shooting comes just days after President Ilham Aliyev awarded Defense Minister Safar Abiyev one of Azerbaijan’s highest state honors for building up the country’s armed forces.

The armed forces have seen their budget grow steadily in recent years, as Aliyev seeks to prove his country’s military superiority to neighboring Armenia, with whom it has an ongoing dispute over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Military spending has reached a substantial $1.5 billion, but little has been done to reform rank-and-file conditions in Azerbaijan’s poorly paid conscript army, where the International Crisis Group said in a 2008 report that corruption, nepotism, and mistreatment were common.

Many Azerbaijanis consider the Defense Ministry to be one of the country’s most corrupt institutions, and today’s shooting is likely to prompt criticism of Abiyev, who has served in his post since 1994.

Few details are available about the shooters or the victims. Speaking to French news agency AFP, Temur Abdullayev, a Defense Ministry deputy spokesman, said only that two soldiers had opened fire, killing four servicemen and wounding two others before killing themselves.

Officials at Baku’s Military Hospital say they are under strict orders not to disclose any information about the dead or wounded. The Military Prosecutor’s Office says it has launched an investigation.

Uzeir Jafarov, a military analyst and retired lieutenant colonel in the Azerbaijani Army, says he is skeptical that the military will address the potential underlying causes of the shooting, such as hazing, widespread corruption, and poor living conditions for conscripts.

“We have been demanding that the army leadership be replaced. But instead, they are honored with the highest awards, and have reached a level of such self-confidence that incidents like this one have become ordinary,” Jafarov says.

“There is a state of impunity in the Azerbaijani Army.”

Jafarov notes that following the May incident, when a soldier, Orxan Safarov, killed four officers at a base in Seyfali, “even the trial was held behind closed doors.”

Safarov, whose parents say he was a victim of hazing, received a life sentence.

In February, General Rail Rzayev, the commander of Azerbaijan’s air force, was shot and killed near his home in Baku, in circumstances that remain unclear.

http://asbarez.com/76940/six-dead-in-shooting-incident-on-azerbaijani-military-base/

Correction: This incident happened in Jan 29th 2010...there are so many that one can get confused.

[Eddo211]

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It appears the rumor is a lie.....or at least Russia is denying it.

Russia denies selling S-300 missiles to Azerbaijan

MOSCOW, July 29 (RIA Novosti)

There is no truth to reports that Russia has agreed to deliver S-300 air defense systems to Azerbaijan, Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport said on Thursday.

"There is no contract between Russia and Azerbaijan on the delivery of S-300 air defense systems to this country," a Rosoboronexport spokesman said.

Russian business daily Vedomosti said earlier on Thursday that Rosoboronexport signed an agreement with the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry on the delivery of two S-300PMU-2 Favorit (SA-20b Gargoyle b) battalions last year, citing a top manager at a company producing S-300 components.

Rosoboronexport official Vyacheslav Davydenko denied the report, while a spokesman for Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said he had no information on any sale.

Vedomosti said the contract was worth $300 million, which would have made it the biggest single purchase of weapons by an ex-Soviet state. Russia has previously sold S-300 missiles to Belarus and Kazakhstan.

Outside the post-Soviet space, Russia has delivered S-300 air defense systems to Algeria and China. In December 2005, Russia signed a contract on the delivery of at least five S-300 systems to Iran, but delivery has so far been delayed. In June, Russia said it would freeze the delivery due to a fourth round of UN sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.

The advanced version of the S-300 missile system, called S-300PMU1, has a range of over 150 kilometers (over 100 miles) and can intercept ballistic missiles and aircraft at low and high altitudes, making it effective in warding off air strikes.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100729/159996117.html

[Federate]

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It won't matter if the Azeris receive those air defense weapons, Armenia does not have the air force capabilities for those weapons to have any sort of leverage on the battlefield against us.

[Joseph]

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It won't matter if the Azeris receive those air defense weapons, Armenia does not have the air force capabilities for those weapons to have any sort of leverage on the battlefield against us.

True, the are more aimed at Iran.

[Eddo211]

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True, the are more aimed at Iran.

Then this is Russians who are doing this....are they trying to prevent an attack or a possible use of a transition route by IAF? Sounds like an indirrect way of puting pressure on Iranian Nuclear program under the skin if you ask me. It could be just a political stunt. I know Iranians are worried.

Eitherway bad news.

[ArmeniaR]

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Yea who cares, Armenia hase minimum 36 of those s300, if we dont count the battilion in Karabakh.... but the point is that they want to have everything what Armenia also have...

[Tigranakert]

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I think it could be very dangerous for Armenia, because Azergayjan hasn't started a war with Armenia because we can hit all the oil pipelines with our ballistic missiles, but if I am not wrong, this S-300 system can hit and destroy these ballistic missiles (right ZORAVAR?) which means they can safeguard, to some extent, their income bloodline.