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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by armnuke View Post
    Where is this? Charentsavan or somewhere else? And I'm surprised to see T-72B models in storage..how long have those been in storage?
    This is what I was saying before. Remember the new engines we got in the package of 200,000,000. Remember when Vova Vartanov said if we just repair the old military hardware in the storage it will make a huge boost in the Armenian military. Here we are

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      Նռնակի պայթյունից մահացել է ՊԲ զինծառայող
      Մարտ 12, 2016

      Մարտի 11-ին` ժամը 15:45-ի սահմաններում, ՊԲ արևելյան զորամասերից մեկի պահպանության տեղամասում, դեռևս չպարզված հանգամանքներում, նռնակի պայթյունից մահացել է ՊԲ զինծառայող, 1997թ. ծնված Սարգիս Դավիթի Օհանյանը: Այս մասին տեղեկացնում է ՊԲ կայքը:

      Դեպքի մանրամասները պարզելու համար կատարվում է քննություն:

      Պաշտպանության բանակը կիսում է կորստյան ծանր վիշտը և իր զորակցությունը հայտնում զոհված զինծառայողի ընտանիքի անդամներին, հարազատներին և ծառայակիցներին:

      Բացի այդ, մարտի 11-ին և լույս 12-ի գիշերը հայ-ադրբեջանական հակամարտ զորքերի շփման գծի արցախյան հատվածում հակառակորդը տարբեր տրամաչափի հրաձգային զինատեսակներով, 60 մմ (16 արկ) ականանետերով և ՌԳՊ-7 (5 արկ) նռնականետերով հայկական դիրքերի ուղղությամբ արձակել է ավելի քան 2300 կրակոց:

      ՊԲ առաջապահ զորամասերի պատասխան գործողությունների արդյունքում՝ հակառակորդի նախահարձակ ակտիվությունը ճնշվել է:

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        Sargsyan watches demonstration flights at Armenia-Russia joint air force base (PHOTOS)
        13:31, 12.03.2016
        Region:Armenia, Russia
        Theme: Politics


        YEREVAN. – The President of Armenia, Serzh Sargsyan, on Saturday visited the Armenian-Russian joint air force base at Erebuni Airport, in capital city Yerevan (PHOTOS).

        Sargsyan was accompanied by chairman of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of Russia and chairman of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO PA) Council, Sergei Naryshkin, representatives of parliamentary delegations that attended the CSTO PA Council session in Yerevan, CSTO Secretary General Nikolay Bordyuzha, Armenian Minister of Defense Seyran Ohanyan, and relevant officials from the Armenian and Russian Ministries of Defense.

        Representatives of the joint air force showed the airbase visitors their modern armaments and military equipment, and the air force crew kits.

        Subsequently, the President and the delegations accompanying him watched the demonstration flights by fighter aircrafts, and within the framework of the implementation of CSTO tasks.

        Armenia News - NEWS.am
        news.am/eng/news/316405.html







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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Spetsnaz View Post
          This is what I was saying before. Remember the new engines we got in the package of 200,000,000. Remember when Vova Vartanov said if we just repair the old military hardware in the storage it will make a huge boost in the Armenian military. Here we are
          I'm trying to find additional photos of this place. Looks very interesting.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                Where is this? Charentsavan or somewhere else? And I'm surprised to see T-72B models in storage..how long have those been in storage?
                I think we got them in 2013

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                    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                    Nice collection........6 its not bad. These rifles are addictive just like AKs. You just can't have only one, you need 10 with 10000 rds ammo. People do that.

                    My brass will work for you.....I look around for berdan.

                    If I was a sniper in Karabakh I would load my own ammo made for the occasion. You do learn alot.
                    I like to get your brass. And I think we both agree that no matter what you shoot, reloading self will tighten the groups you shoot. For the simple reason that factories usually have up to 10% deviation in load to load for bullet and powder in weight and dimensions.
                    Even the best bullet manufacturers like lapua, hornady and Barnes do have waight and dimensions differences.
                    I reloaded Lapua "Senar" (expensive) for my Mosin and measured waights and grouped them within 2 grains. Took the center group that was most numerous, then resized brass to .001" consistency then reloaded with best powder (vihtavoury 165, both bullets and powder Finnish made, only 4.5 million people country manages making one of the best How is that for us?) within 1/10 of grain consistency and voila. Good old Mosin with good barrel and nicely attached midrange Leupold scope shoots equal to Remington 700 PS. 2" (5centimeter) or better in 100 meters. The Russian factory standard has been 6-8".
                    Some people even check and group bullets for ogives for equality to controll side spin and even resize tip diameter.
                    Reloading and precision shooting is an art that one can always improve. Too bad I am old, couse I still have long to go before get what satisfies me.
                    In Armenia they should create clubs and groups doing this. The knowledge gained will greatly enhance army's capabilities. Here in USA all the advances in sniper technologies have come from enthusiasts garages and clubs.

                    PS. Forgot to add important things. I have checked the depth of chamber in all my Mosin barrels and they vary quite bit. Some 3/32 of an inch (2.5mm). That is the Achilles hill in precision loading in Russian weapons. No close reload for one gun will match another. If you set it close on one and chamber it in another and bullet has no at least .002"-.005" jump or is pushed down by rifling it may be dangerous in pressure spike. When bullet has to travel too much free (they call this bullet jump) before it hits the rifling grooves as it comes out of shell, it looses consistency in angle of travel in barrel. Plus all the factory 7.62x54rs that I have tested have at least .005" out of bullet concentricity with brass that makes them come out spinning each too much different and travel on different trajectory.
                    I designate my loads to each rifle, where the bullet jump is minimum to .002"(but no less for safety reasons). Plus I use hornady bullet concentricity gage and my own clamping fixture and bring them to within .002-.003" concentricity (the ogive) with brass mouth.
                    Next thing I want to play with is to controll the meplat (tip diameter and shape). That will add to accuracy.
                    It's an art. I have seen some people shoot 10 rounds and make a hole only the size of a quarter (20mm) in 100 meters.
                    Can you imagine? They achieve a 1/8 degree minute of an angle in 100 meters. That is equal to only 25mm (2.5 sentimeter) accuracy in 800 meters.

                    Here at the end is an image of my reloading bench with two batch of bullets completed and info recorded on slips ready to go.
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                    Last edited by Hakob; 03-12-2016, 08:13 PM.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Hakob View Post
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                      I like to get your brass.
                      Send me a personal message with your address. I will send them to you free of charge. I have alot of ex Yugoslavian ammo for my mosin nagants and AK.


                      And I think we both agree that no matter what you shoot, reloading self will tighten the groups you shoot. For the simple reason that factories usually have up to 10% deviation in load to load for bullet and powder in weight and dimensions.
                      Even the best bullet manufacturers like lapua, hornady and Barnes do have waight and dimensions differences.
                      I never thought these manufacturers would get it wrong. I agree with you. Just a couple more gun powder grains will change the rifles zero. When you shoot alot you will notice this like you said


                      I reloaded Lapua "Senar" (expensive) for my Mosin and measured waights and grouped them within 2 grains. Took the center group that was most numerous, then resized brass to .001" consistency then reloaded with best powder (vihtavoury 165, both bullets and powder Finnish made, only 4.5 million people country manages making one of the best How is that for us?) within 1/10 of grain consistency and voila. Good old Mosin with good barrel and nicely attached midrange Leupold scope shoots equal to Remington 700 PS. 2" (5centimeter) or better in 100 meters. The Russian factory standard has been 6-8".
                      I am getting 2 MOA @100yrds with the M44 Bayonet extended.......Love to see how you attached a scope that will keep zero.
                      Love to get the Russian made sniper 91/30 no bayo with Russian scope and mount.

                      Some people even check and group bullets for ogives for equality to controll side spin and even resize tip diameter.
                      Reloading and precision shooting is an art that one can always improve. Too bad I am old, couse I still have long to go before get what satisfies me.
                      In Armenia they should create clubs and groups doing this. The knowledge gained will greatly enhance army's capabilities. Here in USA all the advances in sniper technologies have come from enthusiasts garages and clubs.
                      Yes, every Armenian should have a AK and know it inside out.......You can use the Mosin against Turks to honor our fedayees.

                      PS. Forgot to add important things. I have checked the depth of chamber in all my Mosin barrels and they vary quite bit. Some 3/32 of an inch (2.5mm). That is the Achilles hill in precision loading in Russian weapons. No close reload for one gun will match another. If you set it close on one and chamber it in another and bullet has no at least .002"-.005" jump or is pushed down by rifling it may be dangerous in pressure spike. When bullet has to travel too much free (they call this bullet jump) before it hits the rifling grooves as it comes out of shell, it looses consistency in angle of travel in barrel. Plus all the factory 7.62x54rs that I have tested have at least .005" out of bullet concentricity with brass that makes them come out spinning each too much different and travel on different trajectory.
                      I designate my loads to each rifle, where the bullet jump is minimum to .002"(but no less for safety reasons). Plus I use hornady bullet concentricity gage and my own clamping fixture and bring them to within .002-.003" concentricity (the ogive) with brass mouth.
                      Next thing I want to play with is to controll the meplat (tip diameter and shape). That will add to accuracy.
                      It's an art. I have seen some people shoot 10 rounds and make a hole only the size of a quarter (20mm) in 100 meters.
                      Can you imagine? They achieve a 1/8 degree minute of an angle in 100 meters. That is equal to only 25mm (2.5 sentimeter) accuracy in 800 meters.

                      Here at the end is an image of my reloading bench with two batch of bullets completed and info recorded on slips ready to go.
                      amazing man.....this is why Artsakh snipers have to know this and load their own ammo for consistency. Shooting 800 meters its no joke for one shot one kill.
                      Last edited by Eddo211; 03-12-2016, 11:43 PM.
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