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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Originally posted by Federate View Post
    We may be getting Yak-130. Irkut representatives were in Armenia for 3 days meeting officials and I can't help but notice it happens near the same time a new $100 million Russian arms loan was granted to us.
    We don't need those expensive puppies, we can take care of their air craft with ease and our Su 25's can be modernized cheaply.

    Speaking of unlikely, Burjuin, do you have any pictures of our military having the possession of these modernized BMP-2's? and we have 50 of these things, do you?

    And speaking of absurdities, anyone have interest of this monstrosity??

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHRLAC_Holdings_Ahrlac
    Last edited by DieHard69; 11-03-2017, 03:04 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Federate View Post
      We may be getting Yak-130.
      I hope for training purpose. Not sure what to train for.
      The Yak-130 is a gorgeous small plane that would be perfect for countries with insurgence. It cannot replace the Su-25 unless they build better pilot protection. Not sure why they do not.
      Even Russia discarded the idea of using it vs the Su-25.
      https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/russian-air-force-to-order-su-25-replacement-372103/

      We would be better buying Su-25 and modernizing them. Even that would be my 3ed option.
      My second option would be something like the Super Tucano with low heat signature (It is Brazilian and not Russian I know).

      First option will be to place that money into having a national UAV program. A small armed UAV.

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      • Originally posted by londontsi View Post

        The evidence is against these devices sadly.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbv1twvdjuk


        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_cannon
        Scientific evidence


        There is no evidence in favor of the effectiveness of these devices. A 2006 review by Jon Wieringa and Iwan Holleman in the journal Meteorologische Zeitschrift summarized a variety of negative and inconclusive scientific measurements, concluding "the use of cannons or explosive rockets is a waste of money and effort".

        There is also reason to doubt the efficacy of hail cannons from a theoretical perspective.[4] For example, thunder is a much more powerful sonic wave, and is usually found in the same storms that generate hail, yet it doesn't seem to disturb the growth of hailstones. Charles Knight, a cloud physicist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado said in a July 10, 2008 newspaper article that "I don't find anyone in the scientific community who would validate hail cannons, but there are believers in all sorts of things. It would be very hard to prove they don't work, weather being as unpredictable as it is."
        The anti hail cannons were developed and tested to be affective for more than 50 years ago in Soviet Union.This we’re shooting projectiles that exploded and dispersed fine particles of dust that seeded rain or small hail. However the key for them to be successful was to shoot in out of agricultural areas of advancing storm just before they could present danger. That required extensive meteorological and technical resources, plus powerfull antiaircraft cannons that had to be on just the right spot.
        Considering the mountainous and small agricultural areas in Armenia and Georgia it is possible to protect small patches of land. But expensive.
        This new cannons are joke. But maybe they are purchased to show that something is being done for unfortunate farmers living there.

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        • Hey guys, we have not heard from Artashes and Eddo for a long long time.
          Hope those oldies are all ok.

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          • Originally posted by Hakob View Post

            The anti hail cannons were developed and tested to be affective for more than 50 years ago in Soviet Union.This we’re shooting projectiles that exploded and dispersed fine particles of dust that seeded rain or small hail. However the key for them to be successful was to shoot in out of agricultural areas of advancing storm just before they could present danger. That required extensive meteorological and technical resources, plus powerfull antiaircraft cannons that had to be on just the right spot.
            Considering the mountainous and small agricultural areas in Armenia and Georgia it is possible to protect small patches of land. But expensive.
            This new cannons are joke. But maybe they are purchased to show that something is being done for unfortunate farmers living there.
            I'm not sure that is the problem.
            The soviet era cannons first were not that many, every rayon had 2 or 3 stationary points that were enough to cover the fields of several villages.
            The servants were not necessary aces. They were normal employees, who did serve the cannons when ever they were ordered.
            The meteorological prevision system back then was not necessarily better than what we do have today.
            The problem was the heavy metals contained in the warheads.
            They were dispersed all over the farmlands, and were known for being highly polluting, cancer inducing...
            That pollution would be unacceptable today, if ever we care for our generations, or if we dare to export to EU. I'm not even sure if backward countries like Evrasian union or Middle easterners would accept to ...
            In my knowledge the system is off in russian regions too. We can assume they do not have shortage of ammunition nor rusting cannons....

            The ammunition was not that costly anyway.

            Our system collapsed when:
            The cannons were sent to border protection back in 91-92, and never returned...
            Most are rusting, since virtually useless today.

            There was a big fuss about gas powered cannons that were placed all over the regions in Armenia and NKR, originally deriving from an Argentinian system??
            Till now, they were not effective. Depends from whom you hear, the reasons are contradictory, yet it does not work, and was just a huge waste of public funds in an ill studied program, and also significant prived funds since a lot of farmers did invest in it...

            The only known, 95% effective protection are the nets , adopted in all developed countries.
            But the costs, exagerated by our monopolist import system seems so prohibitive, (10-25.000 $/hectar) that virtually no one dared to invest in that proved way.

            It is a guess, but I presume if someone wanted to produce nets in Armenia, the maximum cost of the zavod would not ecxeed something like 10-15 Million $ to produce good quality nets...

            Now comes this...

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            • Armenia has a new air defense system that will be a game changer vs Azerbaijan and even vs Turkey.
              I will leave you guessing sorry.
              Info confirmed 100%

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              • Originally posted by Sukhoi22 View Post
                Armenia has a new air defense system that will be a game changer vs Azerbaijan and even vs Turkey.
                I will leave you guessing sorry.
                Info confirmed 100%
                Long range? Short range?

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                • Originally posted by Sukhoi22 View Post
                  Armenia has a new air defense system that will be a game changer vs Azerbaijan and even vs Turkey.
                  I will leave you guessing sorry.
                  Info confirmed 100%
                  Pantsir makes sense. If I was to invest into anything , that is what I'll buy.

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                  • [QUOTE=Sukhoi22;n573420]Armenia has a new air defense system that will be a game changer vs Azerbaijan and even vs Turkey.
                    I will leave you guessing sorry.
                    Info confirmed 100%[/QUOTE Come on, don't be that guy, tell us the surprise.

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                    • Originally posted by Sukhoi22 View Post
                      Armenia has a new air defense system that will be a game changer vs Azerbaijan and even vs Turkey.
                      Not sure if this is for larger planes or smaller low flying UAVs. All I know that something changed few months ago with UAVs that are all dropping down before reaching their targets. Reason why shekelist folded down their operation with their toys and went back home. Whatever it is, it is radar based tracking, either electronic disruptions or accurate target acquisition through radar. Whatever it is it is excellent. Keep the good work.

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