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  • Re: Regional geopolitics

    Originally posted by lampron View Post
    ... the West has delegated to Turkey the job of blocking Russian advance south ... Merkel will support Erdogan because of fear that he might get too close to Russia
    turkey is the needed ball in a match. Russia is already helping turkey in its separation from NATO. If successful, will it keep the turkey united or help it to be dissected for a thanksgiving?
    Shifting turkey's ambition of expansion from Western Europe to the Caucasus (Georgia for now) and Northern Middle East is something to watch how it will effect our dynamics in the region and that of Iran.
    kurds are going to be the fierce card to play at least for us Armenians or even for the West if it does separate from NATO.

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    • Re: Regional geopolitics

      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
      Hakob jan it is never us who end up using our bargaining chips, they always get used by those who actually have the power to use them. We are so weak that we cannot use even our own chips.
      We say "you have to talk, to have the room to talk"
      Big or small, having power or not, clear message of not accepting soviet Kars treaty does not have any risks.
      On the other hand sitting mum and in fear and letting big powers do what they want unopposed is very risky.
      We dont have our Armenian communists wiping out every national interest now, because it was our communists shutting us down for 70 years for moscow.
      Last edited by Hakob; 03-15-2017, 09:06 AM.

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      • Re: Regional geopolitics

        Originally posted by Azad View Post
        turkey is the needed ball in a match. Russia is already helping turkey in its separation from NATO. If successful, will it keep the turkey united or help it to be dissected for a thanksgiving?
        Shifting turkey's ambition of expansion from Western Europe to the Caucasus (Georgia for now) and Northern Middle East is something to watch how it will effect our dynamics in the region and that of Iran.
        kurds are going to be the fierce card to play at least for us Armenians or even for the West if it does separate from NATO.
        Like I said earlier, erdogan is attracted to islamism. But he wants to islamise under panturkist ideology.
        A very toxic mix. Ottoman empire is diffrent time zone.
        To do this he puts turkey in opposite not only west but russia as well.
        Maybe this all, acting against russia first and then against west has the simple purpose of pulling public support and unity after major policy failures and dissapointments in Syria and EU membership, plus danger of russia supporting the qurds.

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        • Re: Regional geopolitics

          Even the low life Neocon mccain is at a loss with turkey

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOv1HJog1M4

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          • Re: Regional geopolitics

            Originally posted by Azad View Post
            Even the low life Neocon mccain is at a loss with turkey

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOv1HJog1M4
            A dog & pony show is all this is.
            Every player knows the terks are disingenuous. All players know USA is disengenuos. Everyone knows terks,USA,euro,soodys, etc have been and are supporting terrorism.
            All fraud.
            It's simply propaganda.
            HARK

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            • Re: Regional geopolitics

              ԱՄՆ դաշնակից երկիրը փոքր ԱԹՍ-ն խոցել է 3 մլն դոլար արժեցող հրթիռով
              Մարտ 16, 2017 by Գարիկ Հարությունյան
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              Կոմերցիոն փոքր քառապտուտակ անօդաչու թռչող սարք խոցելու համար ԱՄՆ մտերիմ դաշնակից երկիրը կիրառել է ամերիկյան Պատրիոտ հակաօդային պաշտպանության հրթիռ, որի արժեքը մոտ 3 մլն դոլար է: Այս մասին հայտարարել է ԱՄՆ բանակի մարտական պատրաստության ղեկավար, գեներալ Դեյվիդ Պերկինսը:

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              Ամերիկացի գեներալը նշել է, որ փոքր անօդաչու թռչող սարքը խոցվել է, բայց կասկած է հայտնել գործողության արդյունավետության վերաբերյալ:

              Եթե ես թշնամի լինեի, կմտածեի՝ կարելի է eBay-ից որքան հնարավոր է շատ գնել այդ 300 դոլարանոց անօդաչուներից՝ նրանց ունեցած բոլոր Պատրիոտ հրթիռները վատնելու համար, նշել է գեներալը:

              Զինվորականը չի անվանել, թե կոնկրետ որ երկիրն է նման քայլի դիմել, սակայն ենթադրել է, որ դա եղել է ոչ թե վարժանք, այլ իրական մարտական գործողություն:

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              • Re: Regional geopolitics

                Originally posted by Hakob View Post
                Like I said earlier, erdogan is attracted to islamism. But he wants to islamise under panturkist ideology.
                A very toxic mix. .
                Not especially toxic to Obama, Trump, or the present leaders of Germany, France and Great Britain!
                They are interested in the real estate represented by Turkey, not too much in the political differences between Abdul Hamid, Kemal and Erdogan
                They will more or less support whoever is able to control Turkey
                The islamist ideology is only of concern if it is used to change by a large amount the politics of territories outside Turkey such as in the Balkans

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                • Re: Regional geopolitics

                  Originally posted by lampron View Post
                  Not especially toxic to Obama, Trump, or the present leaders of Germany, France and Great Britain!
                  They are interested in the real estate represented by Turkey, not too much in the political differences between Abdul Hamid, Kemal and Erdogan
                  They will more or less support whoever is able to control Turkey
                  The islamist ideology is only of concern if it is used to change by a large amount the politics of territories outside Turkey such as in the Balkans
                  You are talking about historic trend by west very correctly.
                  Butthis this time it's very importantly diffrent, I hope.
                  This time erdoghan is meddling in europe's internal affairs. Campigning, polarising turkish and muslim ethnos in heart of europe and making conflicts.
                  This time turkey wants to behave not as a remote controlled monster but real factor worldwide. Especially in europe.
                  Looks like it is going to come out of NATO and ally with Russia ( I think it's for fools anyway), while it is not the same real estate for russians asfor west.
                  I may be surprised if erdoghan will fool russians and west as well, but over ambition with power hunger could be erdoghan's achilles hill.

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                  • Re: Regional geopolitics

                    In a few words, I think Erdoghan with absolute and dictatorial powers is more beneficial to us then seculiar, parliamentary and allmost democratic Turkey under wests love and protection.
                    For Erdoghan being the most powerful leader since Ataturk there is no doubt. Looks like he is reversing ataturk's legacy and turkey back to ottoman islamist structure.
                    Good...
                    A dictator on top and undemocratic turkey will soon have deep divisions inside, strong enemies outside and bad economy just like any dictatorship country.
                    Panturkists may be happy now. But the world is too complex for antic osmanizm based on islamism to prosper.
                    Especially given last century of ottoman empire, the world around could not fit it in even if it tried to. Now consider Russia and Europe, who wants to cut it's limbs to fit sultan in tge room where they can't even fit in there themselfs.
                    One example, I read that last week turks negotiated with Russians about Crimea and anouncement was "no progress achieved, but agreed that issue does not reflect negatively mutual relations".
                    What negotiations if not some kind if demand or cohession in line with erdoghsn's psicho?
                    What does russia have to agree with turkey for after going against all the world (and much important Ukraine) and paying so dearly in sunctions and economy for Crimea?
                    Turks think that they can make camel pass thru needle hole with Russia?
                    Turkey needs west to stay afloat, but how much can he shove the stick before west has enough?
                    In Syria turkey was with west but in such a narrow turkic agenda that soon flopped sides, dropping west's allready weak condition to so low.
                    It's not the second Korean war there, it's diffrent.
                    Last edited by Hakob; 03-16-2017, 09:47 AM.

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                    • Re: Regional geopolitics

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