Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Politics in Hayastan

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re: Politics in Hayastan

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    "The USA isn't a role model by far. But in democracies, you do have to have a high level of rule of law. Democracies break up monopolies on businesses, on political power, and social rights. You give more people and businesses the chance to play in society, empower them. Authoritarian governments stamp out the little guys in favor of the big guys. This is why we shouldn't slow down our progress to a more democratic and equal state for our motherland. It could very well be somewhere we migrate to or do considerable business with."

    You keep repeating the typical brainwashed ideologies regularly fed to the public. Is it not in these wonderful democracies where inequality has reached ludicrous levels that will make the worst dictator look like a socialist? Is it not these democracies that are responsible for plunging the world economy into the abyss as a few multibillionaires profit from it? Yes there sure is a rule of law in these democracies alright and these laws protect the super wealthy as they usurp all of the income and start wars to plunder other countries as well. I find it very fascinating that someone with the term socialist in his/her username is so unaware of these issues and is actually using them as a model to aspire to. You sir/mam are the reason why I have chosen to educate people for many years now despite the laughable salary involved with this profession. You may find it hard to believe but today Armenia has much higher equality and far less corruption then the USA.
    Sir, if you are against the system in the United States then explicitly state that. Otherwise, you're lumping in nations like Sweden, Switzerland, the Netherlands, South Korea, New Zealand, and Uruguay in the same camp as the USA, and that is not accurate by far.

    Socialism is democracy, comrade. Equality of all, with the right to vote what is good for the many over the greed of the few. Brush up on your world history, comrade. Workers of the world! Unite!

    Comment


    • Re: Politics in Hayastan

      ^Socialism is an essential part of the ARF belief, and is probably the one part I do not agree with. Socialism doesn't increase productivity or creativity, only meritocracy.

      Comment


      • Re: Politics in Hayastan

        Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
        ^Socialism is an essential part of the ARF belief, and is probably the one part I do not agree with. Socialism doesn't increase productivity or creativity, only meritocracy.
        And in Armenia when we have a brain drain due to the lack of meritocracy, you argue against this because? The topic is politics in Hayastan. We have capacity to build solar energy cells, yet the oligarchy keeps pushing for the reactors on an active fault line. We have ability to build small arms and ammunition for our armed forces, yet buy Russian? Armenians can run major corporations and lead states (Lavrov, Deukmejian, Krikorian) but have a population fleeing injustice?

        Comment


        • Re: Politics in Hayastan

          Hmm socialism is democracy you say ay....well that must explain the likes of Stalin then... Nothing is being lumped...Democracy is just another form of government and it can work or fail like any of the others can work or fail. I am not against successful democracies but I am against the worshipping of democracy. Yes I am against the horrid special interest dominated system in USA and this system exposes the weakness inherent in democracy. Democracies are much easier to corrupt then any other form of government. The process underway in Armenia will make it more Democratic but also even more susceptible to corruption(why do you think the leadership wants it).
          Hayastan or Bust.

          Comment


          • Re: Politics in Hayastan

            Originally posted by HyeSocialist View Post
            And in Armenia when we have a brain drain due to the lack of meritocracy, you argue against this because? The topic is politics in Hayastan. We have capacity to build solar energy cells, yet the oligarchy keeps pushing for the reactors on an active fault line. We have ability to build small arms and ammunition for our armed forces, yet buy Russian? Armenians can run major corporations and lead states (Lavrov, Deukmejian, Krikorian) but have a population fleeing injustice?
            Armenia does not have the population or the industrial base to be able to manufacture heavy weapons

            The Karabakh victories were achieved using Russian weapons (NATO didn't provide any, in fact it condemned the Karabakh freedom fighters)

            Lavrov, Deukmejian? Armenians have reached high positions in foreign powers since Byzantine times. It means nothing for Armenia

            How much time do Russians, Iranians, Italians, Americans spend discussing people of their nationality having reached high positions in foreign countries ?

            Military powers with geopolitical ambitions cannot be fully democratic because they need to brainwash their public to support those wars

            Comment


            • Re: Politics in Hayastan

              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

              Comment


              • Re: Politics in Hayastan

                Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

                Comment


                • Re: Politics in Hayastan

                  Originally posted by lampron View Post
                  Armenia does not have the population or the industrial base to be able to manufacture heavy weapons

                  The Karabakh victories were achieved using Russian weapons (NATO didn't provide any, in fact it condemned the Karabakh freedom fighters)

                  Lavrov, Deukmejian? Armenians have reached high positions in foreign powers since Byzantine times. It means nothing for Armenia

                  How much time do Russians, Iranians, Italians, Americans spend discussing people of their nationality having reached high positions in foreign countries ?

                  Military powers with geopolitical ambitions cannot be fully democratic because they need to brainwash their public to support those wars
                  True Lampron......however we do have contract now with Armenian Army to make ammo and special bullet that some acts like a missile.

                  Kamats kamats
                  B0zkurt Hunter

                  Comment


                  • Re: Politics in Hayastan

                    Armenia does not have resources for heavy industries, right.
                    The Soviet Armenia's heavy industries were interconnected and sustained by soviet system. It was concidered one huge country.
                    And we were shining compared to other republics. This still means something and speaks about our people.
                    Right now we may have opportunities in miniature industrial projects like tourism, wine, fish farming, service etc.
                    But our leadership is not up to anything in that nature. None of the government or rich are made by market economics. It's rather by corruption and banditism.
                    Even if they wish, they cannot generate anything significant.
                    About military industry, all 3 republics in Caucasus sometimes big mouth about some manufacturing and export etc.
                    but the best any one of them can is set up service shops at the most.
                    Georgians will not make and export SU25s. Azeris will not make any hardware or armaments or anything. Maybe assemble units from parts provided by business partners. But that is being hopelessly dependent on that partner only and political winds. And whatever that manufacturing is, will rather be for self consumption at higher price that bought from abroad and mostly for propaganda reasons then make any economic sense.
                    But for us manufacturing niche items that require small facilities like optical equipment, sensors, computer programs for military use is a real prospect.
                    We just need our government to be up to it in support and planning.
                    Last edited by Hakob; 10-15-2015, 06:54 AM.

                    Comment


                    • Re: Politics in Hayastan

                      DRAFT AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA:

                      http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/d...REF(2015)042-e ( You can find the new draft here in ENGLISH)
                      http://res.elections.am/images/doc/draft06.12.15.pdf (In Armenian)

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X