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  • #51
    Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

    Originally posted by mouradian View Post
    No independence as long as we are in Russia's so called protective pocket

    Japan is in America's pocket.
    South Korea is in America's pocket
    Taiwan is in America's pocket
    United Kingdom is in America's pocket.

    I could go on.

    There is no shame in this world for having alliances and "arrangements."

    What matters is how you run your own country for the benefit of your people and not for your clique.
    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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    • #52
      Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

      Originally posted by mouradian View Post
      No independence as long as we are in Russia's so called protective pocket
      Armenia is and has been an independent country and in its declaration of independence recognizes Western Armenia as occupied territory...........unless you agree with some unintelligent Turkish views out there or some Sunni Muslim groups who donít even list Armenia as a country then you must be uninformed. Which is it now?
      B0zkurt Hunter

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      • #53
        Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

        Originally posted by londontsi View Post
        Japan is in America's pocket.
        South Korea is in America's pocket
        Taiwan is in America's pocket
        United Kingdom is in America's pocket.

        I could go on.

        There is no shame in this world for having alliances and "arrangements."

        What matters is how you run your own country for the benefit of your people and not for your clique.

        Actually, Turkey is now in Russia's pocket too. They hate to admit it but their trade also depends upon Russia and that dependence is growing.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): ďI am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.Ē

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        • #54
          Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

          ^^^^Not to mention Russia controls over 60% of Turkey's energy input, with Iran providing something close to 25%......I call that the Russian/Iranian leash on Turkey.
          B0zkurt Hunter

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          • #55
            Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

            Originally posted by londontsi View Post
            Japan is in America's pocket.
            South Korea is in America's pocket
            Taiwan is in America's pocket
            United Kingdom is in America's pocket.

            I could go on.

            There is no shame in this world for having alliances and "arrangements."

            What matters is how you run your own country for the benefit of your people and not for your clique.
            I totally agree with the sentiment you raise, on the other hand I am not comfortable to be in the pocket of another country

            if you ask me the question, what then?
            I am afraid I don't have the answer to this multi million dollar question.

            I guess brainstorming the issues may lead to some alternative thoughts

            thank you for prompting me to respond

            all the best

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            • #56
              Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

              Originally posted by Joseph View Post
              Actually, Turkey is now in Russia's pocket too. They hate to admit it but their trade also depends upon Russia and that dependence is growing.
              Hi again Joseph,
              I agree with that as I mentioned earlier

              on the other hand I don't have a quick solution to the problem of being tied to another country

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              • #57
                Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

                Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                Armenia is and has been an independent country and in its declaration of independence recognizes Western Armenia as occupied territory...........unless you agree with some unintelligent Turkish views out there or some Sunni Muslim groups who donít even list Armenia as a country then you must be uninformed. Which is it now?
                I think we all know what sort of independence we are talking about Eddo

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                • #58
                  Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

                  Originally posted by mouradian View Post

                  .....on the other hand I don't have a quick solution to the problem .....
                  I wouldn't worry, there isn't a problem !!
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • #59
                    Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

                    Originally posted by mouradian View Post
                    I totally agree with the sentiment you raise, on the other hand I am not comfortable to be in the pocket of another country

                    if you ask me the question, what then?
                    I am afraid I don't have the answer to this multi million dollar question.

                    I guess brainstorming the issues may lead to some alternative thoughts

                    thank you for prompting me to respond

                    all the best
                    Geography has dictated many things. If Armenia had an outlet on the Black Sea coast, then its foreign policy would have been different. Armenia is pro Russian because there are many businessmen and politicians with strong links to Russia (same in Azerbaijan). It is pro Russian because many people speak Russian, watch Russian TV and listen to Russian music (same in Azerbaijan). It is pro Russian because of the politics of the Caucasus. We know that NATO's sympathies are with Turkey (obviously) and Azerbaijan

                    And I agree with others that Turkey is much closer to Russia than it has ever been. What is interesting is that well before many 'western' countries started investing, Turkish businessmen went into the far corners of Russia striking business deals and attending Russian language courses

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                    • #60
                      Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

                      Originally posted by Christina View Post
                      Here is a word that shares the same sentiments:

                      Greeks gave meaning to the ultimate oath: "freedom or death."

                      I wonder what that corresponding phrase is in Armenian.

                      It would apply.
                      Mah kam Azatutyun!
                      Death or Freedom!

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