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  • Jirair Sefilian

    I have always been surprised that this hero wasn't given citizenship immediately. One would think that being a patriotic Armenian who served bravely in the Artsakh war winning key victories would be awarded Armenian citizenship without question. It seems his political affiliations were a main obstacle to this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jirair_Sefilian

    Ֆեյսբուքցիները ստորագրահավաք են սկսել Ժիրայր Սեֆիլյանին քաղաքացիություն տրամադրելու համար. Սեֆիլյանը շնորհակալ է
    16:14 07.06.11




    Շուշիի առանձնակի գումարտակի հրամանատար, Մարտական խաչ շքանշանի առաջին աստիճանի ասպետ Ժիրայր Սեֆիլյանին ՀՀ քաղաքացիություն տրամադրելու խնդրանքով Facebook սոցիալական ցանցում ստորագրահավաք է սկսվել։

    Վիրտուալ ստորագրահավաքը կազմակերպվել է Ժիրայր Սեֆիլյանի ծննդյան 44րդ տարեդարձին ընդառաջ։ Նախաձեռնողները Հայազն երիտասարդների միաբանության անդամներն են, ովքեր մտադիր են հուլիսի 10ին՝ Արցախյան հերոսի ծննդյան օրը, հավաքված ստորագրություններն ուղարկել նախագահ Սերժ Սարգսյանին։

    Ըստ նախաձեռնողների՝ ստորագրությունները թղթի վրա անցկացնելու համար կազմակերպվելու են մի քանի հավաքներ, որոնց համապատասխան վայրերը նշվելու են ֆեյսբուքյան էջում։

    Նշենք, որ ժամը 16-ի դրությամբ վիրտուալ ստորագրահավաքին հաջորդելիք մասնակցելու խոստում է տվել 106 ֆեյսբուքցի։
    Tert.am-ի հարցին, թե արդյո՞ք այս նախաձեռնությամբ հնարավոր կլինի վերջապես լուծել քաղաքացիության տրամադրման հարցը, Ժիրայր Սեֆիլյանը դժվարացավ պատասխանել։ Երիտասարդները խնդիր են փորձում լուծել, ինչի համար շնորհակալ եմ, ասաց Սեֆիլյանը։

    Tert.am
    Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
    ---
    "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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    Re: Jirair Sefilian

    It is because of his political views. I think he once called for the violent overthrow of the oligarches in power but I've never gotten the full story about it.

    As for more modern news, Sefilian has no business supporting LTP, his views are 180 degrees on the other side of LTP's views.
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    • #3
      Re: Jirair Sefilian

      But still, I think his heroism in Artsakh war overrides any political views that he may have had. You have random Brazilian soccer players getting citizenship to play on the team - why not this hero?
      Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
      ---
      "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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      • #4
        Re: Jirair Sefilian

        Originally posted by Mos View Post
        But still, I think his heroism in Artsakh war overrides any political views that he may have had. You have random Brazilian soccer players getting citizenship to play on the team - why not this hero?
        Because he was calling for the violent overthrow of the government, it's not because he is a veteran that he can do as he pleases.
        You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience!!!!!!!

        "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

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        • #5
          Re: Jirair Sefilian

          Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
          Because he was calling for the violent overthrow of the government, it's not because he is a veteran that he can do as he pleases.
          When did such views from him start?
          Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
          ---
          "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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          • #6
            Re: Jirair Sefilian

            He has been at it for some time now, but it doesn't surprise me that he was refused.

            To me all people are equal too the law and we all know how slow the Armenian bureaucracy really is and in the mean time he threatens a violent overthrow of the government then hero or not he gets what he deserves.
            You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience!!!!!!!

            "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

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            • #7
              Re: Jirair Sefilian

              Its a fact of life that some (however) good soldiers never make it in political life.

              They fall foul in political life because they cannot differentiate between
              the political battlefield and the military battlefield.

              I think the best way forward for him would be to accept he is not cut out to be a politician
              and find a “new” mission to serve his country.

              Of course he should also be granted a citizenship in due course.
              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              • #8
                Re: Jirair Sefilian

                Jirayr Sefilyan is not a politician, nor does he plan on entering politics. He is a national man, and a national activist. He did not merely call for "a violent overthrow" of the government. What Jiryar was protesting was statements made by Serje Sarkissian (as Prime Minister) about returning land to the Azeris. What Jirayr did by speaking out against such treasonous intentions can only be commended. I believe his exact words were, "heads will be smashed" of those who think about giving up land-directed, of course, at serje.

                The fact of the matter is the only reason Jirayr was imprisoned was because he spoke out against the comments made by Serje regarding returning territories.
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                • #9
                  Re: Jirair Sefilian

                  Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
                  Jirayr Sefilyan is not a politician, nor does he plan on entering politics. He is a national man, and a national activist. He did not merely call for "a violent overthrow" of the government. What Jiryar was protesting was statements made by Serje Sarkissian (as Prime Minister) about returning land to the Azeris. What Jirayr did by speaking out against such treasonous intentions can only be commended. I believe his exact words were, "heads will be smashed" of those who think about giving up land-directed, of course, at serje.

                  The fact of the matter is the only reason Jirayr was imprisoned was because he spoke out against the comments made by Serje regarding returning territories.
                  That was one of several comments that he made. Also, he probed for allies within the military establishment, which was infered by RA authorities as a possible coup in the making. He is a good solider, but terrible politician.
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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                  • #10
                    Re: Jirair Sefilian

                    Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                    That was one of several comments that he made. Also, he probed for allies within the military establishment, which was infered by RA authorities as a possible coup in the making. He is a good solider, but terrible politician.
                    That's just it, he's not a politican at all. He is a patriot, a brilliant military commander, and a national hero. He was doing his part- putting pressure on autorities not to forget where the limits are.

                    What serje was doing, chit chat about returning land, that was politics. Even according to ex-commander of karabakh forces, samvel babayan, serje sarkissian will not go to that. He, too, views such talks only as politics.
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