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  • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    If everyone who vomited out their race hate (like Eddo and Arty and co regularly do) were to be banned immediately for short periods, and with repeat offenders given a permanent ban, that would clean the place up.
    You would like that....then it would be just you and your mini minions.

    I tell you what, I will do a Jihad on you......If the Mods ban you permanently from this forum then I be willing to close my account/get banned for good as long as I know the rest of the members don't have to deal with your anti-Armenian posts.
    You man enough? deal?
    B0zkurt Hunter

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    • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

      TURKEY'S ARMENIANS IN CRISIS OVER PATRIARCH

      Al-Monitor
      Feb 27 2014

      Author: Orhan Kemal CengizPosted February 27, 2014

      Turkey's Armenian community is eagerly awaiting the outcome of a
      lawsuit at the Council of State, the country's top administrative
      court, that is likely to have a major impact on how the Armenian
      patriarchate of Constantinope functions in the future. The legal
      battle concerns who should elect the Armenian patriarch -- a small
      group of clergy or the broader community.

      The case has pitted one segment of the Armenian community against
      the Interior Ministry and other community members. It has also
      exposed a serious rift that sheds light on the Armenian minority's
      reality in Turkey and the government's strategies for controlling
      the patriarchate.

      The Istanbul-based Armenian patriarchate is a 553-year-old institution
      that holds spiritual authority over 42 churches. Its patriarchs have
      long been elected by the community.

      The Turkish state's attempts to control the patriarchate became more
      systematic after the 1960 military coup. In 1961, the council of
      ministers issued a decree stipulating that elections for a patriarch
      must be held on a date and at a venue selected by the Istanbul
      governor's office. Every government since has sought to control
      these elections.

      In 2007, a tragic incident paved the way for the governing Justice and
      Development Party to make one of the boldest-ever interventions in the
      Armenian elections. That year, Patriarch Mesrob II, elected in 1998,
      fell ill. His memory and cognitive abilities were severely damaged,
      so he was unable to perform his duties.

      With Mesrob disabled, two opposing views emerged in the patriarchate
      on how to resolve the situation. Rather than seeking a compromise,
      however, both sides submitted their requests to the Interior Ministry.

      The Entrepreneur Council, considered the patriarchate's "civilian
      wing," requested permission to elect a new patriarch. The Spiritual
      Council, a group of clerics, asked the ministry to approve the election
      of a "co-patriarch."

      The ministry's decision caught both sides off-guard. Since the
      incumbent patriarch was still alive, neither a new patriarch nor a
      co-patriarch could be elected, it decided. Instead, an acting patriarch
      should be elected. Thus, the post of "patriarchal deputy-general"
      was established, a position without precedence in the history and
      traditions of the Armenian Church.

      Heeding the Interior Ministry's decision, the Spiritual Council
      elected its own head, Archbishop Aram Atesyan, as acting patriarch
      in July 2010. The move led to serious rifts and heightened tensions
      within the Armenian community.

      Both applications to the Interior Ministry had sought an electoral
      process -- be it for a new patriarch or a co-patriarch -- in which all
      community members were to have voted. Instead, the "deputy-general"
      was elected by a small group of clergymen.

      For the Armenians, the Interior Ministry's intervention was unjust
      and contrary to their traditions. Their first reaction was to launch
      a petition drive. Those arguing that the entire community should
      elect the patriarch collected 5,350 signatures and submitted it to
      the ministry in 2010, but to no avail.

      Next, they filed a lawsuit at the administrative court, seeking
      nullification of the Interior Ministry's decision. The community's
      lawyers argued that by appointing Archbishop Aram as patriarch
      deputy-general, the ministry had interfered in the Armenian community's
      internal affairs and thus violated the principle of secularism. This
      is the case the Council of State is currently hearing.

      The intensity of the intracommunal rift is reflected in the language
      that the much-respected Armenian weekly Agos uses in reference to
      Atesyan. In one headline, for instance, it depicts him as patronizing
      and calls him "archbishop" to make clear it does not recognize him
      as acting patriarch. The article further underscores the paper's
      rejectionist position: "In an interview with the Jamanak newspaper,
      Archbishop Aram Atesyan has yet again made very controversial remarks.

      His comments on various issues, such as his bid for central civilian
      management, the irregularities in the foundation elections, the home
      he purchased in the [resort town of] Bodrum, and the patriarchate's
      financial accounts are the latest example of his self-righteous
      attitude."

      The newspaper Taraf has also reported on the community's objections to
      Atesyan. In a Feb. 15 article, "Crisis in Patriarch's Election," Sebu
      Aslangil, one of the lawyers in charge of the lawsuit at the Council
      of State, is quoted as saying, "The Interior Ministry imposed on us a
      deputyship office and the patriarchate went along ... Atesyan erred
      in not resisting the election of a deputy, something nonexistent in
      our traditions, and for having himself elected to the post." Another
      community member, Sahin Gezer, was reported as noting, "Aram Atesyan
      well could have rejected the post in the face of election demands."

      So, the tragic illness of the elected patriarch, the ensuing failure
      of the Armenian community to reach a compromise and their decision to
      seek the state's arbitration -- in addition to the government seeing
      the situation as a golden opportunity to control the patriarchate --
      have together created an acute crisis that may drag on for years.

      The crisis demonstrates not only the Armenian community's problematic
      relationship with the state, but also the Turkish state's unchanging
      policy of meddling and manipulation vis-a-vis its minorities despite
      changing governments. It is a typical divide-and-rule tactic,
      which constitutes a fragrant breach of religious freedom and serves
      neither the Armenian community nor Turkish democracy. The Turkish
      state's hostility toward minorities precludes any win-win policies
      in this realm.

      http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...atriarch.html#
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

        ARREST OF SEVAN NISHANYAN IS ATTEMPT TO GAG ANOTHER ARMENIAN IN TURKEY: NADYA UYGUN

        12:15, 19 March, 2014

        YEREVAN, MARCH 19, ARMENPRESS: In the result of the state policy, the
        Armenian linguist Sevan Nishanyan is one of the Armenians, subjected
        to tortures and pressure in Turkey, whose voice has been silenced
        forever in the country. The detention of Nishanyan and the actions
        against him are an attempt to gag an Armenian, living in Turkey,
        ahead of the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide.

        This is to present the world that a group of intellectuals founded
        the international committee "Freedom and justice to Sevan Nishanyan".

        Armenpress talked to one of the authors of the initiative Nadya Uygun,
        an Armenian who was born in Turkey.

        - Being the member of the international committee "Freedom and
        justice to Sevan Nishanyan" and at the same time the US coordinator
        of the structure, what do you think, how can the establishment of
        the committee affect the state pressure policy against Sevan Nishanyan?

        - As a committee, our aim is to present the public and especially the
        international community the injustice against the Armenian linguist.

        Because if the injustice towards a scientist, who greatly contributed
        to the art and tourism, is presented to the world, a serious pressure
        will be imposed on Turkey.

        - The pressures upon the national minorities and especially Armenians
        have been continuing for centuries in Turkey. When and how can this
        situation change?

        - This situation will remain unchanged for quite a long time, as
        everything begins from the education first. For example, if the
        invented history of the Republic of Turkey in the Turkish textbooks
        is changed, the hatred will little by little change as well. Just
        imagine that the entire state has been built on a great lie. Their
        invented "liberation war" was not at all an "anti-imperialistic war",
        as they say. It was just a period to establish a state, robbing and
        stealing property and possessions, as well as killing the Armenians
        and Christian nations under the pretext of war. 3-4 generations have
        been brought up, learning by heart this fairy tale. Only in case if
        all this is accepted and faced, it would be possible to speak about
        a just state and country. That means that if all this is not done,
        they would not have any rest and authority.

        And besides, it is necessary that they keep aside from the Azerbaijani
        state and disconnect all the ties with it. It has been for years that
        a group of very good and courageous people struggle in the name of
        these principles at the cost of their lives. Maybe we do not see it
        yet, but "on the wall there is a crack already"... Some day that wall
        will fall by all means.

        - Can the Turkish denial policy change in 2015, ahead of the 100th
        anniversary of the Armenian Genocide?

        - It can change... For a moment we have filled with hope. Though
        the government, changing its position, has begun cooperating with
        the deniers. That denial policy will not change for some time. And it
        cannot change. But the fact that it is already possible to speak about
        it, proves about a great positive change. Even if many people deny it,
        they do know about the issue. They know that the mysterious letters
        on the stones coming under the feet in Anatolia are from the Armenian
        alphabet. They can deny it as long as they want, but an Armenian trace
        comes out from each centimeter of the land in the entire geography.

        (THE FULL VERSION OF THE INTERVIEW IS AVAILABLE IN ARMENIAN)
        http://armenpress.am/arm/news/754476...dya-uygun.html

        Interview by Araks Kasy

        http://armenpress.am/eng/news/754476...dya-uygun.html
        Hayastan or Bust.

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        • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

          Turks in Turkey do worst to their own kind than to the Armenians under arrest.......many moderate Turks just disappear in the prison.
          B0zkurt Hunter

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          • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

            Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
            I don't have to tell them, they know it themselves......I make fun of them because they want so bad to be like Americans but they are epic fail and that the Queen owns everything in Australia and that they are not a real country with their candyass flag of England and northern stars, no colors of your own.
            I almost got killed by these redneck drunk Aussies once for being a Yankee, lol
            With that said most Aussies are pussies....they only fight in numbers.....I still be friends with one of them over you, just be happy we don't meet up in a pup you dork.
            I agree there is a lot of racism in Australia, when I went to school there the kids picked on the Japanese language teacher at school and made her cry, and in many pubs European descended Australians make derogatory remarks about Aboriginals (the native people of Australia).

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            • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

              TURKS RETURN ARMENIANS' PROPERTY WITH ONE HAND AND SEIZE IT WITH ANOTHER - REVIEW

              17:53 * 29.05.14

              Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party returns the one-time
              Armenian buildings to their original owners with one hand while
              trying to seize it with another, reports the Istanbul-based bilingual
              weekly Agos.

              The publication says that the earlier decision to return
              the community's property symbolized a kind of new approach to
              the historical injustice, which could not be ignored despite the
              remarkable differences between the buildings' original appearance
              and current look.

              "In the run-up to 2015, the 'just memory' of the Armenian Genocide
              is turning into state policies, so the property return may have a
              certain value in terms of reinstating that justice.

              "But to heal and repair the injustice of the past it is necessary to
              find permanent rather than transient solutions," reads the article.

              It says further that the local authorities in Istanbul's Zeitinburnu
              neighborhood have filed a lawsuit to reinstate the ownership right
              to the land lot returned to the Armenian church of Sourb Prkich
              (Holy Savior).

              A namesake hospital is said to be the building's owner, but the city
              authorities reportedly appeal against the decision to return it to
              the Armenian community.

              The property is thought to be of vital importance for the hospital
              which offers aid to not only Armenians but also any individual
              regardless of religion or ethnic identity.

              "That move by the Zeitinburnu mayor's office will hopefully be
              remembered as an unpleasant step tomorrow. To avoid such problems it
              is necessary to return the entire property without preconditions and
              take steps towards reparation," says the publication.

              Armenian News - Tert.am
              Hayastan or Bust.

              Comment


              • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                Federation of Armenian Organisations in The Netherlands FAON
                Address: Weesperstraat 91
                2574 VS The Hague, The Netherlands
                Telephone: +31704490209
                E-mail: info@faon.nl
                Website: www.faon.nl
                Contact: M. Hakhverdian

                PRESS RELEASE

                Critical Questions by the Dutch Parliament on the Turkish rally inciting
                hatred against Armenian Genocide Memorial

                The Hague, 10 June 2014 x Written questions by Dutch MP Pieter Omtzigt (CDA
                - Christian Democratic Appeal) are the first factual response from Dutch
                side to the Turkish rally in Almelo on 1 June 2014. The written questions
                are submitted also on behalf of the Socialist Party (SP), the Christian
                Union (CU), the Reformed Political Party (SGP) and Party for Freedom (PVV).
                The rally, officially directed against the word "genocide" on the recently
                unveiled memorial on private property of the Armenian church in Almelo,
                turned into an event of genocide denial with a multitude of anti-Armenian
                slogans and chants.

                FAON believes that such a hatred inciting rally can not remain without a
                sharp reaction and consequences and thanks the five factions at the Dutch
                Parliament for their critical questions. A fast response from the government
                would be preferable, especially as video clips of the rally not only are
                still circulating on the Internet, but are also regularly repeated on
                Turkish TV channel.

                The questions of the five Parliamentary factions are addressed to the
                Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Social Affairs and Employment
                (including Integration portfolio) and the Minister of Security and Justice,
                as these ministers have involvement in this issue.

                With regard to the manner of organising the rally, the Ministers are asked
                if they are aware that the rally is organised from Turkey, e.g. free bus
                transportation was arranged by Diyanet (Presidency of Religious Affairs of
                Turkey), that UETD (Union Europäisch-Türkischer Democrats), a lobby group of
                the ruling AKP party of Prime Minister Erdogan was involved, and it was
                urgently summoned in the mosques to take part in the rally.

                Regarding the content of the rally, the submitted questions highlight the
                offensive and inflammatory slogans stirring up hatred and the intimidating
                setting with Ottoman costumes and equipment with military music. Speakers
                often grossly expressed the denial of the Armenian Genocide, in the same way
                as the Turkish government. The anti-Armenian intention appeared also by the
                fact that, in addition to the purpose of demonstration, other themes such as
                the question of Nagorno Karabakh were brought up and the organisors and the
                participants were lashed to chant (in Turkish) ³Karabakh will be the tomb of
                the Armenian".

                The questioners ask whether there are grounds for the Public Prosecution for
                an investigation into the slogans and statements made at the demonstration.
                They also ask what steps the Minister of Foreign Affairs intends to take and
                whether he will discuss this matter with his Turkish counterpart. The
                Ministers are also asked whether they are willing to disassociate themselves
                from the nature and tone of the slogans used at the rally.

                Comments by FAON
                The rally on June 1st in Almelo was announced as a protest to the word
                Genocide on the Memorial at the Armenian Church in Almlo, but degenerated
                into a complete anti-Armenian, racist rally. It was further Ottoman music
                played by a band in historical Ottoman army attire, a direct reference to
                the time and the perpetrators of the Genocide. Internationally the
                historians and genocide experts of renown already for the long time and
                based on abundant research material agreed that there was Genocide and many
                countries have recognised the Genocide. In the Netherlands, the highest
                political body, the parliament, has recognised the Armenian Genocide
                unanimously in 2004 (Motion by Rouvoet).

                FAON protests against these actions on June 1st in Almelo and requires
                urgent attention from the government and expects action, both regarding the
                content of the rally, as well as for the fact that the Turkish government is
                behind it. The denial of the Armenian Genocide goes hand in hand with racism
                and anti-Armenism, as in the case of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism. It
                is also clear from the method of organisation and the content of the rally,
                how Turkey is worried, and is preparing by means of denial and anti-Armenian
                propaganda for the year 2015, the year in which worldwide the centenary of
                the Armenian genocide will be commemorated.

                The activities of FAON for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide are not
                directed against Turkish people wherever in the world, but against the
                denial of the past by the Turkish government. Only with recognition by
                Turkey the reconciliation between the peoples can in time be realised. It
                should be menitioned that already major changes have taken place in the
                minds of Turks on the Armenian Genocide. Turks both in Turkey and in the
                Netherlands, who are well informed about the Armenian Genocide, and
                recognize these events as Genocide also have major problems with its denial.
                It is known that they are experiencing problems from the nationalist Turkish
                population, once they express themselves on this issue.

                The pressure from Turkey is also still present on the Dutch government,
                which therefore avoids to speak in all clarity about the Armenian Genocide.
                FAON believes there is no justification for this attitude of the Dutch
                government, especially since the Dutch governement claims a leading role in
                the world on suppression of issues on human rights, racism and genocide.
                Hayastan or Bust.

                Comment


                • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                  Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                  Federation of Armenian Organisations in The Netherlands FAON
                  Address: Weesperstraat 91
                  2574 VS The Hague, The Netherlands
                  Telephone: +31704490209
                  E-mail: info@faon.nl
                  Website: www.faon.nl
                  Contact: M. Hakhverdian

                  PRESS RELEASE

                  Critical Questions by the Dutch Parliament on the Turkish rally inciting
                  hatred against Armenian Genocide Memorial

                  The Hague, 10 June 2014 x Written questions by Dutch MP Pieter Omtzigt (CDA
                  - Christian Democratic Appeal) are the first factual response from Dutch
                  side to the Turkish rally in Almelo on 1 June 2014. The written questions
                  are submitted also on behalf of the Socialist Party (SP), the Christian
                  Union (CU), the Reformed Political Party (SGP) and Party for Freedom (PVV).
                  The rally, officially directed against the word "genocide" on the recently
                  unveiled memorial on private property of the Armenian church in Almelo,
                  turned into an event of genocide denial with a multitude of anti-Armenian
                  slogans and chants.

                  FAON believes that such a hatred inciting rally can not remain without a
                  sharp reaction and consequences and thanks the five factions at the Dutch
                  Parliament for their critical questions. A fast response from the government
                  would be preferable, especially as video clips of the rally not only are
                  still circulating on the Internet, but are also regularly repeated on
                  Turkish TV channel.

                  The questions of the five Parliamentary factions are addressed to the
                  Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Social Affairs and Employment
                  (including Integration portfolio) and the Minister of Security and Justice,
                  as these ministers have involvement in this issue.

                  With regard to the manner of organising the rally, the Ministers are asked
                  if they are aware that the rally is organised from Turkey, e.g. free bus
                  transportation was arranged by Diyanet (Presidency of Religious Affairs of
                  Turkey), that UETD (Union Europäisch-Türkischer Democrats), a lobby group of
                  the ruling AKP party of Prime Minister Erdogan was involved, and it was
                  urgently summoned in the mosques to take part in the rally.

                  Regarding the content of the rally, the submitted questions highlight the
                  offensive and inflammatory slogans stirring up hatred and the intimidating
                  setting with Ottoman costumes and equipment with military music. Speakers
                  often grossly expressed the denial of the Armenian Genocide, in the same way
                  as the Turkish government. The anti-Armenian intention appeared also by the
                  fact that, in addition to the purpose of demonstration, other themes such as
                  the question of Nagorno Karabakh were brought up and the organisors and the
                  participants were lashed to chant (in Turkish) ³Karabakh will be the tomb of
                  the Armenian".

                  The questioners ask whether there are grounds for the Public Prosecution for
                  an investigation into the slogans and statements made at the demonstration.
                  They also ask what steps the Minister of Foreign Affairs intends to take and
                  whether he will discuss this matter with his Turkish counterpart. The
                  Ministers are also asked whether they are willing to disassociate themselves
                  from the nature and tone of the slogans used at the rally.

                  Comments by FAON
                  The rally on June 1st in Almelo was announced as a protest to the word
                  Genocide on the Memorial at the Armenian Church in Almlo, but degenerated
                  into a complete anti-Armenian, racist rally. It was further Ottoman music
                  played by a band in historical Ottoman army attire, a direct reference to
                  the time and the perpetrators of the Genocide. Internationally the
                  historians and genocide experts of renown already for the long time and
                  based on abundant research material agreed that there was Genocide and many
                  countries have recognised the Genocide. In the Netherlands, the highest
                  political body, the parliament, has recognised the Armenian Genocide
                  unanimously in 2004 (Motion by Rouvoet).

                  FAON protests against these actions on June 1st in Almelo and requires
                  urgent attention from the government and expects action, both regarding the
                  content of the rally, as well as for the fact that the Turkish government is
                  behind it. The denial of the Armenian Genocide goes hand in hand with racism
                  and anti-Armenism, as in the case of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism. It
                  is also clear from the method of organisation and the content of the rally,
                  how Turkey is worried, and is preparing by means of denial and anti-Armenian
                  propaganda for the year 2015, the year in which worldwide the centenary of
                  the Armenian genocide will be commemorated.

                  The activities of FAON for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide are not
                  directed against Turkish people wherever in the world, but against the
                  denial of the past by the Turkish government. Only with recognition by
                  Turkey the reconciliation between the peoples can in time be realised. It
                  should be menitioned that already major changes have taken place in the
                  minds of Turks on the Armenian Genocide. Turks both in Turkey and in the
                  Netherlands, who are well informed about the Armenian Genocide, and
                  recognize these events as Genocide also have major problems with its denial.
                  It is known that they are experiencing problems from the nationalist Turkish
                  population, once they express themselves on this issue.

                  The pressure from Turkey is also still present on the Dutch government,
                  which therefore avoids to speak in all clarity about the Armenian Genocide.
                  FAON believes there is no justification for this attitude of the Dutch
                  government, especially since the Dutch governement claims a leading role in
                  the world on suppression of issues on human rights, racism and genocide.
                  (1) as well as the fact the turk govt is behind it (the denial and turk racism)
                  (2) it is known they (moderate informed Turks) are experiencing problems from the "nationalist turk" population (the MAJORITY).
                  Although this is a turk govt policy of denial by lying, it is also supported by the vast majority of hominoids (turks).
                  Those --- relatively --- few who admit the TRUTH are minuscule compared to the total.
                  The GENOCIDE continues.
                  Unabated.
                  HARK

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                  • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                    Federation of Armenian Organisations in The Netherlands FAON
                    Address: Weesperstraat 91
                    2574 VS The Hague, The Netherlands
                    Telephone: +31704490209
                    E-mail: info@faon.nl
                    Website: www.faon.nl
                    Contact: M. Hakhverdian

                    PRESS RELEASE

                    Critical Questions by the Dutch Parliament on the Turkish rally inciting
                    hatred against Armenian Genocide Memorial

                    The Hague, 10 June 2014 x Written questions by Dutch MP Pieter Omtzigt (CDA
                    - Christian Democratic Appeal) are the first factual response from Dutch
                    side to the Turkish rally in Almelo on 1 June 2014. The written questions
                    are submitted also on behalf of the Socialist Party (SP), the Christian
                    Union (CU), the Reformed Political Party (SGP) and Party for Freedom (PVV).
                    The rally, officially directed against the word "genocide" on the recently
                    unveiled memorial on private property of the Armenian church in Almelo,
                    turned into an event of genocide denial with a multitude of anti-Armenian
                    slogans and chants.

                    FAON believes that such a hatred inciting rally can not remain without a
                    sharp reaction and consequences and thanks the five factions at the Dutch
                    Parliament for their critical questions. A fast response from the government
                    would be preferable, especially as video clips of the rally not only are
                    still circulating on the Internet, but are also regularly repeated on
                    Turkish TV channel.

                    The questions of the five Parliamentary factions are addressed to the
                    Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Social Affairs and Employment
                    (including Integration portfolio) and the Minister of Security and Justice,
                    as these ministers have involvement in this issue.

                    With regard to the manner of organising the rally, the Ministers are asked
                    if they are aware that the rally is organised from Turkey, e.g. free bus
                    transportation was arranged by Diyanet (Presidency of Religious Affairs of
                    Turkey), that UETD (Union Europ�isch-T�rkischer Democrats), a lobby group of
                    the ruling AKP party of Prime Minister Erdogan was involved, and it was
                    urgently summoned in the mosques to take part in the rally.

                    Regarding the content of the rally, the submitted questions highlight the
                    offensive and inflammatory slogans stirring up hatred and the intimidating
                    setting with Ottoman costumes and equipment with military music. Speakers
                    often grossly expressed the denial of the Armenian Genocide, in the same way
                    as the Turkish government. The anti-Armenian intention appeared also by the
                    fact that, in addition to the purpose of demonstration, other themes such as
                    the question of Nagorno Karabakh were brought up and the organisors and the
                    participants were lashed to chant (in Turkish) �Karabakh will be the tomb of
                    the Armenian".

                    The questioners ask whether there are grounds for the Public Prosecution for
                    an investigation into the slogans and statements made at the demonstration.
                    They also ask what steps the Minister of Foreign Affairs intends to take and
                    whether he will discuss this matter with his Turkish counterpart. The
                    Ministers are also asked whether they are willing to disassociate themselves
                    from the nature and tone of the slogans used at the rally.

                    Comments by FAON
                    The rally on June 1st in Almelo was announced as a protest to the word
                    Genocide on the Memorial at the Armenian Church in Almlo, but degenerated
                    into a complete anti-Armenian, racist rally. It was further Ottoman music
                    played by a band in historical Ottoman army attire, a direct reference to
                    the time and the perpetrators of the Genocide. Internationally the
                    historians and genocide experts of renown already for the long time and
                    based on abundant research material agreed that there was Genocide and many
                    countries have recognised the Genocide. In the Netherlands, the highest
                    political body, the parliament, has recognised the Armenian Genocide
                    unanimously in 2004 (Motion by Rouvoet).

                    FAON protests against these actions on June 1st in Almelo and requires
                    urgent attention from the government and expects action, both regarding the
                    content of the rally, as well as for the fact that the Turkish government is
                    behind it. The denial of the Armenian Genocide goes hand in hand with racism
                    and anti-Armenism, as in the case of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism. It
                    is also clear from the method of organisation and the content of the rally,
                    how Turkey is worried, and is preparing by means of denial and anti-Armenian
                    propaganda for the year 2015, the year in which worldwide the centenary of
                    the Armenian genocide will be commemorated.

                    The activities of FAON for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide are not
                    directed against Turkish people wherever in the world, but against the
                    denial of the past by the Turkish government. Only with recognition by
                    Turkey the reconciliation between the peoples can in time be realised. It
                    should be menitioned that already major changes have taken place in the
                    minds of Turks on the Armenian Genocide. Turks both in Turkey and in the
                    Netherlands, who are well informed about the Armenian Genocide, and
                    recognize these events as Genocide also have major problems with its denial.
                    It is known that they are experiencing problems from the nationalist Turkish
                    population, once they express themselves on this issue.

                    The pressure from Turkey is also still present on the Dutch government,
                    which therefore avoids to speak in all clarity about the Armenian Genocide.
                    FAON believes there is no justification for this attitude of the Dutch
                    government, especially since the Dutch governement claims a leading role in
                    the world on suppression of issues on human rights, racism and genocide.
                    Originally posted by Artashes View Post
                    (1) as well as the fact the turk govt is behind it (the denial and turk racism)
                    (2) it is known they (moderate informed Turks) are experiencing problems from the "nationalist turk" population (the MAJORITY).
                    Although this is a turk govt policy of denial by lying, it is also supported by the vast majority of hominoids (turks).
                    Those --- relatively --- few who admit the TRUTH are minuscule compared to the total.
                    The GENOCIDE continues.
                    Unabated.
                    Also note --- the turcs often fraudulently deny they are the automums and say they are not responsible for those actions.
                    The automums were and are their grandparents.
                    They celebrate automums victories and history as their own.
                    See how swiftly and easily they pull out automums garb to taunt us and express their solidarity with the automums actions!!
                    This is not only a govt (turc) endeavor but also a grass roots sentiment shared by the majority of hominoids (turcs).
                    They want to keep all that they have stolen and they don't want to be held accountable for murder and torture and kidnaping and abduction.
                    Same as those who preceded them.
                    Nothing has changed.
                    They got no heart, no decency and they can't say the truth, but must use lies exclusivly.
                    They're turcs.
                    HARK

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                    • Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                      Turks are the master race.....tolerance does not apply.

                      When it comes to Armenians the unity of government officials of all parties and a regular Turk is amazing.....both spit on our graves.
                      B0zkurt Hunter

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