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      Quote Originally Posted by DieHard69 View Post
      What do you guys think of Karen karapetyan, we know his career of being a prime minister is going to end when the elections happen and sargisyan will take his place but what do you think he can do in just 1 year?
      The guy seems legit and professional. He can do alot within a year by starting programs, changing some laws. etc...
      Other than that I don't really know.
      http://investmentprojects.am/ Some Interesting projects.
      His latest Interview in English:
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reu...h-2018-PM.html

      As to the previous subject: You can see this EBRD document: Map of the north-south highway + potential extension through Georgia bridge_present_eng-092.jpg

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lori View Post
      Industralizing? What do you think Armenia is? 1920s Ukraine or Russia? That was a hurdle passed decades ago. Djibouti and Somalia? Don't even try it, those are failed states and in everlasting civil war. Nothing in common with Armenia's situation. A very poor comparison. South Korea is an economic East Asian power and has a significant military industry, they are far from a "Failed state". North Korea is a failed state since it is communist with no resources to speak of and strong and unneeded social repression. Not comparable either.

      You are under the impression that beating the Turks, taking back our lands, and bettering the economy are mutually exclusive. This is wrong. To better the Armenian economic situation, you must beat the Turks who hinder Armenia's economic progress through an unlawful and warlike blockade on the nation. A land corridor to the Black Sea is existential for the nation. Access to the world and Armenia's allies should be the foremost goal. I do not know why you would think such a goal is its own ideology or is a distraction from anything. It is a remedy. A righting of the wrongs done to the nation over the past 100 years. I'd assume the "geographic expansion distraction" you speak of also includes Artsakh's struggle? Is not that geographic expansion. It seems like Armenia's borders are spreading there!


      You can't make what you have better and more wealthy if what you have is nothing.
      I think you're some kind of kid that is not really looking at the situation realistically. Armenia's borders, even Karabakh's borders, are more or less not going to expand. You're not going to conquer Turkey or take back Javakh and cut out some kind of land corridor to the Black Sea. Even then, how are you going to build a port and road without constant threat of it being attacked and retaken? What exactly are you thinking?

      However, if you are able to industrialize Armenia, not the smoke stack steel producing imagery you have in your teenage brain, but industrialize int the sense that you have a competitive, export oriented economy, then you might be able to raise Armenia's GDP from $8000 PPP to $20-30,000 PPP. If Armenia can have a higher wealth PPP than its immediate neighbors, then you change the dynamics. You have foreign capital flowing into Armenia, not Georgia or Azerbaijan. You have Armenia being the chosen partner in the Caucasus, not Georgia or Azerbaijan.

      You definitely can have an export oriented economy around technology and pharmaceuticals. You can definitely have light industry that specializes in avionics (UAVs and Rocketry). You definitely can do all this. But you're just being some kind of arm chair general thinking a nation of 3million people can somehow fight its way militarily to dominating the caucasus. Armenia should first focus on how to become an economic tiger.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zeytun View Post
      The guy seems legit and professional. He can do alot within a year by starting programs, changing some laws. etc...
      Other than that I don't really know.
      http://investmentprojects.am/ Some Interesting projects.
      His latest Interview in English:
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reu...h-2018-PM.html

      As to the previous subject: You can see this EBRD document: Map of the north-south highway + potential extension through Georgia bridge_present_eng-092.jpg
      Solar panels and solar power generation is definitely something Armenia has in its advantage. Along with IT and Medicine, we can use these as a driver of exports. The IT sector is on its way reaching 1bln dollars. Imagine the same for biotech and solar panels.

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      Quote Originally Posted by HyeSocialist View Post
      Solar panels and solar power generation is definitely something Armenia has in its advantage. Along with IT and Medicine, we can use these as a driver of exports. The IT sector is on its way reaching 1bln dollars. Imagine the same for biotech and solar panels.
      I keep looking at countries our size (small) and notice one clear trend.
      They have either substantially higher (like Monaco, Luxemburg, Malta, Denmark or Lebanon pre war) or lower (like Haiti, Belize etc.) than medium level of industrialized nation's standard of living.
      Industry seems not the #1 at determining the standard of living because I see countries that have a very high per capita industry level, but low living standard, while some have very low industrial level (tourism included ) but high and comfortanle lives for their sitizens.
      I think the reasons behind this are social and being small.
      Some countries, like US, have large worldwide industries, but the standard of living here (and Europe) has been declining steadily for past 30 years.
      It does not take a lot to change living conditions in a small nations. Few billions more or less can have big effect.
      We should not forget about internal turn over.
      If the average per capita income in Armenia is $8000( lets assume) then it translates to $24 billion.
      Do we have $24 billion exports? No. But to have $30000 per capita income in Armenia it translates (I know falsely) to $90 billion.
      In today's world $66 billion is nothing, but this majic number means from poorest becoming to wealthiest nation.
      Icannot say we export $24 billion, we can export $90billion too.
      The majic is money turn over in a given social structure.
      Cut the money concentration in few hands, money flight or investment in dead accounts or assets.
      Create atmosphere of social fairness, work ethics and hard working (for 70 soviet years people lived in atmosphere that tought them that hard work did not matter). Cut corruption to zero.
      If a nation of 3 million wants to work hard, no matter how much selling abroad or not, has vision and thrusts one another, there is no way the living standards would not go up.
      But this population has to be left to create, like laying hans. No war, no thieves to steal the eggs, no social unrest.
      Last edited by Hakob; 03-09-2017 at 10:33 AM.

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      Naira Zohrabyan: If turns out Seyran Ohanyan to be blamed, then he must answer for it

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      Naira Zohrabyan about Prime Minister’s scandalous statement – Mrs. Zohrabyan, in the Haghtanak community of Tavush Marz, you said that the Prime Minister Karen Karapetyan’s statement about the failure of the equipment in the April war due to the poor quality of diesel fuel was a statement about a crime. What did you mean?

      – I meant that the statement of such a senior official of the country on whom incidentally RPA’s entire campaign load is assigned and to whom this question surely will be asked in the meantime makes a statement which must be followed by concrete steps and actions. In other words, during the April war, and it turns out that not only at that time, the army was supplied with low-quality fuel, and during those tough days for our soldiers, some of the military equipment was not possible to turn on. I consider Karen Karapetyan’s statement, yes, a statement about the occurred crime, and I was confident that both the law enforcements and the Defense Ministry would seriously deal with it right away.

      – However, there are opinions that Seyran Ohanyan was the Defense Minister for the mentioned period and if someone is to be responsible, it should be Seyran Ohanyan. Because he could not but be aware of the low-quality fuel supplied to the army.

      – You know, I am neither a prosecutor nor an investigating body. If it turns out that Seyran Ohanyan is to be blamed, then Seyran Ohanyan must bear the responsibility. If it turns out that other persons are to be blamed, they will bear the responsibility. When it comes to the damage caused by the state and the army, the person does not matter for me, and it does not matter who says what now and what he does. Those who are guilty must definitely bear their responsibility. And I think that Seyran Ohanyan must also react to the Prime Minister’s statement. I repeat, individuals are not important for me. A responsible statement was made and this question needs an answer. After this statement, I received phone calls from the family members of the two of our guys killed in the April war and they are also waiting for the answer to the voiced statement about who will be responsible.

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      Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      I was reading this lengthy analysis by Carey Cavanaugh (whom I believe was the former osce co-chair representing the us), and found this quote kind of insincere?


      The Armenian side could similarly escalate a future skirmish if circumstances arise in which greater confrontation would publicly reaffirm its ability to prevail in combat, especially in light of its poor military performance in April 2016.
      available at: http://groong.com/news/msg596375.html

      I'm not so sure military analysts' appraisal of Armenia's performance during the April war would qualify as "poor." What's behind this guys article? he had been out of the scene for quite some time, and then pops up.
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      Quote Originally Posted by londontsi View Post
      Naira Zohrabyan: If turns out Seyran Ohanyan to be blamed, then he must answer for it

      Read more at: http://en.aravot.am/2017/03/09/191331/

      © 1998 - 2017 Aravot – News from Armenia

      Naira Zohrabyan about Prime Minister’s scandalous statement – Mrs. Zohrabyan, in the Haghtanak community of Tavush Marz, you said that the Prime Minister Karen Karapetyan’s statement about the failure of the equipment in the April war due to the poor quality of diesel fuel was a statement about a crime. What did you mean?

      – I meant that the statement of such a senior official of the country on whom incidentally RPA’s entire campaign load is assigned and to whom this question surely will be asked in the meantime makes a statement which must be followed by concrete steps and actions. In other words, during the April war, and it turns out that not only at that time, the army was supplied with low-quality fuel, and during those tough days for our soldiers, some of the military equipment was not possible to turn on. I consider Karen Karapetyan’s statement, yes, a statement about the occurred crime, and I was confident that both the law enforcements and the Defense Ministry would seriously deal with it right away.

      – However, there are opinions that Seyran Ohanyan was the Defense Minister for the mentioned period and if someone is to be responsible, it should be Seyran Ohanyan. Because he could not but be aware of the low-quality fuel supplied to the army.

      – You know, I am neither a prosecutor nor an investigating body. If it turns out that Seyran Ohanyan is to be blamed, then Seyran Ohanyan must bear the responsibility. If it turns out that other persons are to be blamed, they will bear the responsibility. When it comes to the damage caused by the state and the army, the person does not matter for me, and it does not matter who says what now and what he does. Those who are guilty must definitely bear their responsibility. And I think that Seyran Ohanyan must also react to the Prime Minister’s statement. I repeat, individuals are not important for me. A responsible statement was made and this question needs an answer. After this statement, I received phone calls from the family members of the two of our guys killed in the April war and they are also waiting for the answer to the voiced statement about who will be responsible.

      Read more at: http://en.aravot.am/2017/03/09/191331/

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      Agree. Even in the midst of an unlikely Turkish civil war, their backcountry is not going to suddenly be OK with an Armenian land bridge in their midst, especially one that is "land claimed." It's like Mexico taking a piece of Texas (originally theirs, unfairly stolen, etc.!) during American civil unrest, and expecting the hicks and rednecks that live there to just let it be after the war is over. No way, don't waste time thinking of unrealistic solutions.

      The only hope for a land bridge to the sea is as part of a comprehensive Genocide settlement (and unfortunately, one involving Artsakh as well). It would be a road that Armenians at BEST would have duty-free access to, and port infrastructure. I could see a grand compromise that provided open borders, "visitation rights" to Ararat, a 99 year tax-free lease on the overland route, and port facilities. You can imagine what they will want in return, and how unacceptable such a deal would be.

      IF the Kurds somehow revolt and create a new nation state, we could get pieces of this in place in exchange for actively helping them in their war, but they will be under almost immediate and all-out assault, the port will be destroyed by Turkey's navy, and our alliance with them will be a pre-text for a full on attack from the Turkish vassal state to the east.

      I think Genocide recognition and Artsakh territorial dismemberment is the only "chip" the Turks will play with.

      So, then. Nothing.



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      I think you're some kind of kid that is not really looking at the situation realistically. Armenia's borders, even Karabakh's borders, are more or less not going to expand. You're not going to conquer Turkey or take back Javakh and cut out some kind of land corridor to the Black Sea. Even then, how are you going to build a port and road without constant threat of it being attacked and retaken? What exactly are you thinking?

      However, if you are able to industrialize Armenia, not the smoke stack steel producing imagery you have in your teenage brain, but industrialize int the sense that you have a competitive, export oriented economy, then you might be able to raise Armenia's GDP from $8000 PPP to $20-30,000 PPP. If Armenia can have a higher wealth PPP than its immediate neighbors, then you change the dynamics. You have foreign capital flowing into Armenia, not Georgia or Azerbaijan. You have Armenia being the chosen partner in the Caucasus, not Georgia or Azerbaijan.

      You definitely can have an export oriented economy around technology and pharmaceuticals. You can definitely have light industry that specializes in avionics (UAVs and Rocketry). You definitely can do all this. But you're just being some kind of arm chair general thinking a nation of 3million people can somehow fight its way militarily to dominating the caucasus. Armenia should first focus on how to become an economic tiger.

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