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      The Wikipedia pages contradict each other. Apparently we have BM27 Uragans , 20 T80's and one page says 6 Smerches and another 12. While back apparently we also had SU27's. Too much bs .
      Let me not forget the 6 AR1A launchers that magically made its way from China to Armenia.

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      Quote Originally Posted by gokorik View Post
      I would love to see you say that if you were manning one of those tanks, or if a family member or friends was. There have been many videos from Syria where a T-90 gets hit and there is no ignition of the ammo store, and there have been videos where the T-90 blows up. Without a doubt, the T-90 is much more survivable...

      Regardless, any upgrade that can give our tankers a higher chance of surviving a hit or killing an enemy tank first is worth every penny. Also the Kontakt 1 ERA on the T72-BV's is only effective against shaped charges, not kinetic penetrators (sabot rounds). Kontakt 5 or Relikt are effective agiants both shape charges and kinetic penetrators and are at least twice as effective againts shaped charges, when compared to Kontakt 1. Those T-72B4's will be equipeed with either Kontakt 5 or Relikt, I hope Relikt since this is a more advanced version or Kontakt 5.

      I'm sure you are aware of the other upgraded systems and components of the T-72B4 so I don't t need to dive into those, since each of those upgrades are significant as well.

      Now as to why there is such a delay, if some of you remember, we were supposed to upgrade out T-72B's to the Polish PT-91 Twardy, but following the Ukranian Revolution of 2014, and subsequent tension between Russia and Europe, that went down the drain. Then it was announced, the T72B's would be upgraded to the T72-B4 standard. So that one reason for the delay.

      Another reason, in my opinion, is the logistical aspect of upgrading 100 or more tanks. It would be extremely expensive to fly each T-72 from Armenia to where ever the upgrading plant is in Russia, and then once they are done upgrading, fly them back. From what I have read, it costs about $100,000 for a flight from eastern Europe to Afghanistan, with a full load. At about 45-50 tons(after upgrade) each flight would be at max capacity and the flights for upgrading 100 tanks, would cost 20 million.
      I am assuming the MOD has accounted for this and decided to establish a plant within Armenia to do most of the upgrading. (Some components and systems of the tanks would still have to be separated from the tank and shipped to Russia. This takes time to setup, a lot of time.

      One more theory is that the tank modernization program has been delayed so the funds put aside for this program could be used to purchase more strategically significant weapons like the Islander, etc... I have no doubt the MOD intends to carry out the T-72B4 upgrade program.
      So there's my 2 cents...
      Show me a video of one T-72B or B1 detonating in Syria...
      You're talking about the monkey version T-72M1, the old Ural, and AV.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ASALA2116 View Post
      The Wikipedia pages contradict each other. Apparently we have BM27 Uragans , 20 T80's and one page says 6 Smerches and another 12. While back apparently we also had SU27's. Too much bs .
      Let me not forget the 6 AR1A launchers that magically made its way from China to Armenia.
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      This thread is full of gurus who can't differentiate their head from their a$$ when it comes to weapons.

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      Quote Originally Posted by armnuke View Post
      This thread is full of gurus who can't differentiate their head from their a$$ when it comes to weapons.
      Have you seen any BM27's ? Or any T80's. Or the AR1A ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by armnuke View Post
      This thread is full of gurus who can't differentiate their head from their a$$ when it comes to weapons.
      Have you seen any BM27's ? Or any T80's. Or the AR1A ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
      Let me remind Hasanov that last April, the Azeri's lost dozens of the SF troops ...
      Small advise. It will be wise not to post any azeri (.az) links when referring content from their propaganda sites. They are tracking IP and building their data centers.
      If your IP is static they can connect the dots who is who.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Azad View Post
      Small advise. It will be wise not to post any azeri (.az) links when referring content from their propaganda sites. They are tracking IP and building their data centers.
      If your IP is static they can connect the dots who is who.

      https://medium.com/vantage/panoptico...5d2#.4i3zxbtso
      if its life threatening than its bad, if they just put a virus on our pc's (not bad for me at least) that is bad, if they just DDOS our forum, good and bad, if they DDoS us, nothing to bad.

      They would of DDoS'ed our forum long ago especially energy in Azerbaijan, that place is a dumping grounds of anti Azerbaijani propaganda for them, unless if they block our Ip, where would our sides go up in flames with there North Korean styled propaganda if we can't see them, oh wait, we can just download a application or just use VPN to stay anonymous and then post BIGGER anti Azerbaijani propaganda on them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DieHard69 View Post
      if its life threatening than its bad, if they just put a virus on our pc's (not bad for me at least) that is bad, if they just DDOS our forum, good and bad, if they DDoS us, nothing to bad.

      They would of DDoS'ed our forum long ago especially energy in Azerbaijan, that place is a dumping grounds of anti Azerbaijani propaganda for them, unless if they block our Ip, where would our sides go up in flames with there North Korean styled propaganda if we can't see them, oh wait, we can just download a application or just use VPN to stay anonymous and then post BIGGER anti Azerbaijani propaganda on them.
      They did DDOS the forum a while ago reason why image recognition was added. The rest I wouldn't be too worried. Just a precaution to avoid making easy for them to track people.
      The only places they can view your IP will be their sites. Since their sites are dead in general they can deduct the IP that just posted on this forum was the IP that was on their site in the last 5 minutes.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ASALA2116 View Post
      Have you seen any BM27's ? Or any T80's. Or the AR1A ?
      You still don't know about the secrecy policy of our MoD?

      There was no media source claiming that we have the bm-27 and the T-80...but just check the massive coverage the AR-1A got from our media,news sites such as asbarez,news.az,azatutyun,tert.am,razm.info,arminf o and military-today all talked about Armenia's reported purchase of this missile complex,one can only wonder with such secrecy.

      Oh and don't forget that armenia reportedly bought the TOS-1A

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      Quote Originally Posted by armnuke View Post
      This thread is full of gurus who can't differentiate their head from their a$$ when it comes to weapons.
      Oohhh bud, saghus axperner enk. Yet megu chi haskanum mi ban okni. Es tzevud axperagan dzeva?

      Now for the T-72B's.... Can you please show me where I state that there are T-72B's in Syria(there are T-72B4's). The only tank I ever referred to in my post, in Syria, is a T-90. But thanks for putting words in my mouth. I guess that's what happens when you are trying dodge my point. I'll say it again, I would love to see you say that if your or your family memeber or friend was manning one of our tanks. If your family member friends or yourself were manning one of these tanks, would you really have the nerve to say," this is good enough". That would be kinda sad.... I wouldn't want to be your friend lets just say that. You're still my bro tho.

      Since you state that our tanks are not in need of "Imediate Upgrades" and your demand that I bring forwards videos or pictures of T-72B's cooking off I can safely assume you are arguing that T-72B's don't or rarely cook off. For someone who say, "This thread is full of gurus who can't differentiate their head from their a$$ when it comes to weapons." I would say you have a serious issue with understanding weapons.... Since you know so much, im sure you know why T-72's cook off. TheT-72B's armor just dosent have the stopping power necessary to prevent 70's 80's and 90's designed ATGM from igniting the stored ammo. T-90's and T-72B4's do accounting for their modern ERA.
      You can go back to Chechnya for images of T-72B's with their turrets dozen of meters from the tanks chassis. You can see pics from the first Artsakh war, Georgian-Russian war. I am way to busy to go digging for those. Help yourself if you like.
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      Quote Originally Posted by armo12 View Post
      You still don't know about the secrecy policy of our MoD?

      There was no media source claiming that we have the bm-27 and the T-80...but just check the massive coverage the AR-1A got from our media,news sites such as asbarez,news.az,azatutyun,tert.am,razm.info,arminf o and military-today all talked about Armenia's reported purchase of this missile complex,one can only wonder with such secrecy.

      Oh and don't forget that armenia reportedly bought the TOS-1A
      Has this secrecy become an excuse to exaggerate our Army? or are you going get your nationalistic glasses out of your assss and deal with the real thing? WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THEM, IF OUR GOVERNMENT HAD THEM THEY WOULD OF BEEN PARADING THEM AS WE DID WITH OUR SMERCH'S AND ISKANDERS! SO STOP CLAIMING WE HAVE BM27'S AND THE AR1A HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE CHINEESE ARMY AND FOR FECKS SAKE PUT THE NUMBERS OF OUR SMERCHS AND ISKANDERS AT THERE RESPECTFUL NUMBERS!

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      ATGM's are making direct hits on T72's and they are out of service for life. They are obsolete and I personally if a soldier would not rely on them for cover but a rolling canon. All I hear in Syria is that the Rebels are just destroying tanks. The T90 cannot withstand a shot but I have seen them blow up too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DieHard69 View Post
      Has this secrecy become an excuse to exaggerate our Army? or are you going get your nationalistic glasses out of your assss and deal with the real thing? WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THEM, IF OUR GOVERNMENT HAD THEM THEY WOULD OF BEEN PARADING THEM AS WE DID WITH OUR SMERCH'S AND ISKANDERS! SO STOP CLAIMING WE HAVE BM27'S AND THE AR1A HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE CHINEESE ARMY AND FOR FECKS SAKE PUT THE NUMBERS OF OUR SMERCHS AND ISKANDERS AT THERE RESPECTFUL NUMBERS!
      Did i claim we had the bm-27 uragan?and besides,i'm not saying we did buy these systems.but if we did,why would the purchase of the AR-1A be confirmed by the chinese army?the chinese army has nothing to do with the export branch of the chinese ministry of defense.We got iskanders so why on earth wouldn't we be able to get the AR-1A's?We had the iskanders for 3 years prior to showcasing them,so why would they announce it?you should read more and chill before arguing nonsense mate

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      Quote Originally Posted by DieHard69 View Post
      Can we see some pictures Eddo jan?
      You are joking right?......you know how many photos of tanks there are in this thread? lol

      I have an idea, lets ask burjuin. He is the man


      burjuin can you repost photos of Armenian tanks in depot heavy maintenance and maybe shows turret removed?
      Thanks in advance
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