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      I might be a bit biased, but university degrees in subjects such as Philosophy and Political Science are often worthless. Most of the time in such majors, you are...(jur es cecum eli)...it's very subjective and not really a defined science. In my view, much better to get a degree in a technical/scientific field. Such fields are more pure in terms of their theory and gives you a much more useful skill set. And why would you want to learn Armenian ? Unless, you're Armenian, there's no use in knowing it, especially living in New Zealand...
      And here I am, almost jealous of someone on our (local representative's) campaign who is actually studying political science while I majored in finance...
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      And here I am, almost jealous of someone on our (local representative's) campaign who is actually studying political science while I majored in finance...
      Finance is much better than political science. Very interesting mathematical applications in finance that I have dealt with. In the end, you are learning something more objective. Politicial Science is just so subjective - there's no real science involved.
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      Finance is much better than political science. Very interesting mathematical applications in finance that I have dealt with. In the end, you are learning something more objective. Politicial Science is just so subjective - there's no real science involved.

      Can you elaborate on this? You sound very confident in this pronouncement, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.

      What is "real science"? How is the science in PoliSci lacking?
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      Can you elaborate on this? You sound very confident in this pronouncement, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.

      What is "real science"? How is the science in PoliSci lacking?
      Because PolSci has very little mathematical and concrete theory to it. It's often very subjective and not objective enough as other sciences. A field such as Finance or Chemistry have a much more objective and pure theory to it.
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      Because PolSci has very little mathematical and concrete theory to it. It's often very subjective and not objective enough as other sciences. A field such as Finance or Chemistry have a much more objective and pure theory to it.
      What about economics? I met a former econ major who changed to finance because econ was more theory and finance was more real world application as he understood things.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mos View Post
      Because PolSci has very little mathematical and concrete theory to it. It's often very subjective and not objective enough as other sciences. A field such as Finance or Chemistry have a much more objective and pure theory to it.
      You don't know sh!t about science. I love when someone who's never taken much coursework in a subject states something they're totally ignorant about with such great confidence. It's a dangerous thing to think you know a lot more than you know. Be humbler and actually look into something before speaking on it.

      PolSci has very little mathematical and concrete theory? Biology is very mathematical then? All sciences use probability theory and statistical theory. If you want to get into the equations for the statistical tests we use to avoid spurious findings and errors, I have a whole book of equations for you. Many from calculus. It will satisfy your "math" requirement.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Siggie View Post
      You don't know sh!t about science. I love when someone who's never taken much coursework in a subject states something they're totally ignorant about with such great confidence. It's a dangerous thing to think you know a lot more than you know. Be humbler and actually look into something before speaking on it.
      WTF? What he said is true...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Siggie View Post
      You don't know sh!t about science. I love when someone who's never taken much coursework in a subject states something they're totally ignorant about with such great confidence. It's a dangerous thing to think you know a lot more than you know. Be humbler and actually look into something before speaking on it.

      PolSci has very little mathematical and concrete theory? Biology is very mathematical then? All sciences use probability theory and statistical theory. If you want to get into the equations for the statistical tests we use to avoid spurious findings and errors, I have a whole book of equations for you. Many from calculus. It will satisfy your "math" requirement.
      I know more about science and mathematics than you. And my degree is in mathematical sciences. Yes PolSci has very little mathematical theory. Just take a look at some of the courses PolSci people have to take. Biology has theory behind it. The fundamentals of Biology derive from Chemistry, which derives from Physics and which in turn derives from Mathematics. So please don't ever put PoliSci at level of the natural sciences or mathematics. It's an insult to actual scientists in those fields.
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      Mos everything comes down to math but math alone wont solve our problems and that is why we need all these other fields of study. Psychology, sociology, history, economics are all very much scientific endeavors deserving of respect and have helped humanity greatly. Dont go around repeating Armanan's quotes about everything besides physics and math being irrelevent because its not true. Just becaus you and your friends prefer one kind of science does not make the other fields any less important.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Haykakan View Post
      Mos everything comes down to math but math alone wont solve our problems and that is why we need all these other fields of study. Psychology, sociology, history, economics are all very much scientific endeavors deserving of respect and have helped humanity greatly. Dont go around repeating Armanan's quotes about everything besides physics and math being irrelevent because its not true. Just becaus you and your friends prefer one kind of science does not make the other fields any less important.
      Not saying we don't need other fields, I'm just saying putting a subject like political science as scientific as mathematics is not accurate at all. Many sociologists/psychologists use statistics without knowing much about it. They just press a button look at a p-value and start making "conclusions". Many times such conclusions turn out to be BS and naive as a result of not having a deeper understanding of the statistics they used to analyse it. Research in any field without having a decent knowledge of mathematics/statistics can be rather dangerous.
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      You dont need a phd in statistics to use statistics.
      Quote Originally Posted by Mos View Post
      Not saying we don't need other fields, I'm just saying putting a subject like political science as scientific as mathematics is not accurate at all. Many sociologists/psychologists use statistics without knowing much about it. They just press a button look at a p-value and start making "conclusions". Many times such conclusions turn out to be BS and naive as a result of not having a deeper understanding of the statistics they used to analyse it. Research in any field without having a decent knowledge of mathematics/statistics can be rather dangerous.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Haykakan View Post
      You dont need a phd in statistics to use statistics.
      I never said that. But you should have a fundamental understanding of statistics and how it works before going into research and using it.
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      All research based disciplines are required to do well in a comprehencive statistics class. I took mine while i was getting my MBA-it is a required class and you have to score high to pass it. People doing research which uses statistical data usually know what they are doing and most researchers are not looking to lie about the results. Your disrespect twords other disciplines falls under the same catagories as gays are going to destroy Armenia, as feminists are going to destroy Armenia, as Armenians are a pure race which has never had a drop of anything other then armenian blood in it. All of this is bs and just shows how some people are just dying to disrespect others just to bolster their own feelings of "i am the way all should be". It is easy to jump on a bashing bandwagon but much harder to recognize what is right and harder yet to stand up for it. You are a perfect example of a person who needs badly an education in the very fields of study you are bashing.
      Quote Originally Posted by Mos View Post
      I never said that. But you should have a fundamental understanding of statistics and how it works before going into research and using it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Haykakan View Post
      All research based disciplines are required to do well in a comprehencive statistics class. I took mine while i was getting my MBA-it is a required class and you have to score high to pass it. People doing research which uses statistical data usually know what they are doing and most researchers are not looking to lie about the results. Your disrespect twords other disciplines falls under the same catagories as gays are going to destroy Armenia, as feminists are going to destroy Armenia, as Armenians are a pure race which has never had a drop of anything other then armenian blood in it. All of this is bs and just shows how some people are just dying to disrespect others just to bolster their own feelings of "i am the way all should be". It is easy to jump on a bashing bandwagon but much harder to recognize what is right and harder yet to stand up for it. You are a perfect example of a person who needs badly an education in the very fields of study you are bashing.
      What disrespect? The fact that I said political science is not based on mathematical/scientific theory like mathematics and physics are? I'm just stating a fact. In my opinion, it is crucial for a field of study to have a concrete mathematical theory to it, because when it doesn't, it becomes a mix of subjective opinions and quasi-theories. Many researchers may very well have taken a course of statistics, that doesn't mean they always use statistics correctly nor understand the science of statistics at a fundamental level. Some look at a p-value without taking into account fundamental biases that often exist, some even can't get past the primitive notion of "correlation doesn't imply causation". It's funny that you are suggesting all researches have a fluid understanding of statistics, and don't mis-use the science.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mos View Post
      I know more about science and mathematics than you. And my degree is in mathematical sciences. Yes PolSci has very little mathematical theory. Just take a look at some of the courses PolSci people have to take. Biology has theory behind it. The fundamentals of Biology derive from Chemistry, which derives from Physics and which in turn derives from Mathematics. So please don't ever put PoliSci at level of the natural sciences or mathematics. It's an insult to actual scientists in those fields.
      Hit a nerve, eh?

      Mos, what's your background exactly? Because it sure doesn't sound like you do. You do know that science is about more than math right?


      "Biology has theory behind it." What does that even mean? You're just saying words now...
      What "theory" is behind Biology that makes it a science which is lacking from Poli Sci? Just your uttering of that question reinforces my conclusion that you do not know what you're talking about.
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