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Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

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  • #41
    Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

    Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
    It wouldn't have mattered if it was someone else as president, the world leaders had decided. That's all there is to it, nothing more nothing less. Back in the 90's they didn't really care about the Caucasus like they do now. The faster you will accept this, the better it is.
    learn the example of your enemy-the Turks; the "world powers" had decided on the Treaty of Sevres, to the creation of an Armenia on the lands of Western Armenia, but the Turks DID NOT ACCEPT, they REFUSED TO ACCEPT. They did not sit down with their hands crossed like you and say "the world powers decided." And that is why western armenia is in their hands today, and not ours; because we have a lot of IDIOTS like you in our nation.
    Last edited by Federate; 10-10-2009, 01:53 PM.

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    • #42
      Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

      Stop insulting people Artsakh. Argue with his points.
      For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
      to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



      http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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      • #43
        Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

        Originally posted by Armanen View Post
        Stop insulting people Artsakh. Argue with his points.
        he has no points, he's just talking out of his B_u_T-t

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        • #44
          Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

          Karo jan forget it bro, if a person doesnt understand then just accept their ignorence and move on, you have made your points. Ezur tegh nervert mi kaykayi. Srank americaium enkanen aprel vor chen haskanum no choice encha nshanakum. Erank meka votch mi kakel hayastani hamar voch arelen, voch aneluein vochel kanen. Aveli lava togh gnan erants arabakan harsanigner anen u heto gnan erants hay anvanen.
          Hayastan or Bust.

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          • #45
            Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

            Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
            IDIOT,

            learn the example of your enemy-the Turks; the "world powers" had decided on the Treaty of Sevres, to the creation of an Armenia on the lands of Western Armenia, but the Turks DID NOT ACCEPT, they REFUSED TO ACCEPT. They did not sit down with their hands crossed like you and say "the world powers decided." And that is why western armenia is in their hands today, and not ours; because we have a lot of IDIOTS like you in our nation.
            The Turks lost most of their land and kept a very small part of it can we afford it. And to go against the will of the powers. what will they do to Armenia if we didn't sign it. Stop living in your dream world and wake up to the real world where real things happen. And those decisions are affecting the lives of the living in Armenia it's easy to live in the Diaspora and say yeah xxxx the world powers but would you say that when the lives of your dear ones were on the line.

            @Haykakan
            you are right my friend so right

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            • #46
              Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

              This was a MAJOR political victory for Turkey. Serj should have stuck to the policy "relations with turkey WITHOUT preconditions." In such case only Turkey could be blamed for the closed border. Serje and his gangster team really F&*^-ed this one up, BIG TIME.

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              • #47
                Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

                Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                Karo jan forget it bro, if a person doesnt understand then just accept their ignorence and move on, you have made your points. Ezur tegh nervert mi kaykayi. Srank americaium enkanen aprel vor chen haskanum no choice encha nshanakum. Erank meka votch mi kakel hayastani hamar voch arelen, voch aneluein vochel kanen. Aveli lava togh gnan erants arabakan harsanigner anen u heto gnan erants hay anvanen.
                Ara do vopchem mi xosa ha? Qez voch mek@ cher hachatsnum.

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                • #48
                  Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

                  Former ambassador calls Armenian-Turkish protocols “flawed documents”

                  30.09.2009 18:15

                  Yerevan (Yerkir) - Armenian-Turkish Protocols can be defined as flawed documents, US former Ambassador to Armenia John Evans said during an international web cast of an Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

                  “I think that the impulse to try to get diplomatic relations started and to get the border opened was a good impulse. In the execution there may have been, and there certainly were some shoddy work,” said Evans who prefaced his remarks by noting that he was speaking on his own behalf and not as a representative of any government or organization.

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                  • #49
                    Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

                    Sen. Menendez calls protocols “insult” to Armenian nation

                    05.10.2009 18:40

                    Yerevan (Yerkir) - Senate Foreign Relations Committee member and outspoken advocate of international affirmation of the Armenian Genocide, Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ), called provisions in the Turkey Armenia protocols which would create a historical commission “frankly absurd.”

                    The New Jersey legislator went on to state that “I do not think that Armenia should be pressured into anything that is not in their national interests or in the long-term national interests of the United States.”
                    Expanding on his concerns of the Protocol’s historical commission provision, Sen. Menendez called such an action “an insult to the Armenian people. It is an insult to the memory of the victims. It is an insult to the top scholars who have clearly spoken on this issue and issued their unequivocal conclusions.”

                    Sen. Menendez went on to restate the importance of international recognition of the Armenian Genocide. “The Armenian Genocide is an irrefutable fact of history,” explained the Senator. “It is time that Turkey recognizes it and accepts it. It is time that the world acknowledges this fact of history and moves on towards a viable peace that honors the true history of the Armenian people.”

                    Senator Menendez offered his remarks during the Armenian Cultural Association of America (ACAA) banquet in support of the efforts of the Armenian National Committee of America Eastern United States. For his decades of outspoken leadership and advocacy for Armenian American concerns and, most recently, his efforts to ensure a U.S. foreign policy which properly recognizes the Armenian Genocide, Sen. Menendez was awarded the 2009 Freedom Award. Previous Freedom Award recipients were former U.S. Ambassador to Armenia John Evans and Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power.

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                    • #50
                      Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

                      Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                      He was forced to sign
                      Its like saying I was forced to kill my son, I had to do it to save myself.

                      It was an idiotic mistake with poor ( i would say treacherous) foreign ministry.
                      when it was pointed out to him by the whole (Armenian ) world he would not budge. Why ?
                      Because he had two characteristics IDIOCY and PRIDE to admit a mistake ( serious one) had been made.

                      Nalbandian was lying through his teeth to the parliament, can you imagine that. Whose side does he think he is?

                      What a sham
                      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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