What do you think about that?
What do you think about that?
If it becomes less dependent on the West and strengthens its ties with the rest of the Muslim world (but still keeping ties with West).
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"Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."
Why the hell would the Turks want to become the "leaders" of that crowd? The entire Arab world is a house of cards and the region is increasingly moving towards a state of anarchy.
Last edited by retro; 02-21-2011 at 12:23 PM.
Is it good for Armenia ?
A leader typically has a respectful record, certain qualities and abilities which commands the respect of its peers.
Before a candidate is put forward for leadership his record (history), qualities and abilities ( civil society) should be scrutinised.
A leader forced upon a country is the same as colonisation.
Last edited by londontsi; 02-21-2011 at 02:13 PM.
Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests
Turkey more or less does what the West wants it to do....acting as a proxy in ME as well, even under Erdogan.
Yeah, regional around my d**k area leaderDo you think Turkey has become a regional Leader?
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Nice one Yedtarts!
No, turkey is not a regional leader. They have tense relations with the Greeks and Syrians, although there has been a thaw recently. Furthermore, they have no relations with Armenia, so they automatically can't lay any leadership role in the Caucasus.
In my opinion Iran is better poised to be a regional leader, and once the US leaves Iraq, we will indeed start to see an increase of Iranian leadership in the region. Iran has decent to good relations with its neighbors (unlike turkey), has a large population, and is rich with natural resources (again unlike turkey). If they do not mess with Russia's dominant position in the Caucasus, and instead attempt to form an axis with Moscow and Beijing they have much to gain.
For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.
I think countries should mind their own business and get their own house in order before trying to be leader for other countries.
"Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X
Cool, I see you are having great time trying to convince each other like "hey don't worry Turks won't roll us on their fingers". Fail. I can smell poop in your pants.
TURKEY SIGNS MILITARY PACT WITH AZERBAIJAN
13:56, October 14, 2011
Turkey's Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz, now in Baku on an official
visit, stated yesterday that Turkey is ready to extend support to
the Azerbaijani armed forces.
Yilmaz told reporters that a bilateral strategic cooperation agreement
had been signed between Ankara and Baku.
Hayastan or Bust.
I am from Turkey. I don't want my country to become any sort of 'leader' in the Middle East. The AKP are a bunch of neo-Ottomanist, Islamist (or 'semi-Islamist', if that's more suitable) imperialists.
Turkey should concentrate on having good relations with its neighbors, including Armena. I am so annoyed that the land border is closed. Turkey should open the border and stop causing so much economic difficulty to many Armenians.
As for EU, I think Turkey won't be able to join the EU because there is the Cyprus factor. If there is no development in the Cyprus issue, the EU-accession talks won't go ahead much. Sad but true.
Agree with most of your sentiments.
But as bad as the AKP are, it seems the CHP and the MHP (especially the MHP who are essentially akin the a Turkish Nazi party,) are potentially worse- the choice seems to be either pan-Islam (AKP) or pan-Turk (CHP, MHP). As stupid as the AKP is, they have done far more to promote equal rights of minorities since 2002 than all previous regimes combined. I certainly do not like/trust them but they appear to be the lesser of all evils in my opinion with regards to political parties/movements in Ankara.
I agree that keeping the border closed is shortsighted as much more can be accomplished with normal communication and trade. It is not Armenia with the preconditions but Turkey and Turkey keeps trying to change the format, goalposts, posturing, adding conditions, bullying, etc. Normal relations would build trust and magnanimity and benefit Turkey's "ethnic brethren", the Azeris. Thus far all attempts at normalcy have failed due to the aforementioned.
Furthermore, I'll never understand why Turkey refuses diplomatic relations with Armenia when even India and Pakistan have exchanged ambassadors/talk directly, how can anything be accomplished by behind the scenes diplomacy, small-scale cultural exchanges, communicating through third parties? My opinion isthat there really isn't a desire or political will for Turkey to help remedy the situation.
General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”
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