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      Re: Who owns what in Armenia

      Vreg - because the primary language on the forum is English, I think that it would be better not post only Armenian-language items for cases where there are equivalent English-language sources. For example, there are many English-language reports on the recent Rouben Hayrapetyan scandal, and many of the sources you cited (lragir.am, a1plus.am) have english-language versions. Also, I think that the overall purpose of this thread will be more effective if it can reach a non-Armenian audience (or if those it concerns think it will).

      Vahe Avetyan's Sister Calls for Blacklist of Officals/Oligarchs

      hetq 12:27, September 15, 2012

      In an open letter dated September 7, Nvard Avetyan, sister of Vahe
      Avetyan, the Armenian military physician beaten to death on June 17,
      accuses Rouben Hayrapetyan of directly ordering the assault on her
      brother and his friends at the Harsnakar Restaurant.

      Calling Hayrapetyan a mafia oligarch, Nvard Avetyan, calls on all
      people of goodwill to join the fight for justice and to hold
      accountable all those guilty of tis heinous crime.

      She argues that the beating death of an Armenian army officer is yet
      further proof that all citizens of Armenia enjoy no protection under
      the law and the most inviolable of human rights, the right to live, is
      not safeguarded.

      Nvard Avetyan states that such crimes cast a shadow on Armenia's
      Constitution as well.

      In her letter, Avetyan calls for the creation of a list of those
      Armenian officials and oligarchs that must be sanctioned by a variety
      of world governments and international organization - in essence a
      blacklist.

      She proposes that the family members of those officials and oligarchs
      be banned from entering various countries and that their international
      bank accounts be frozen.


      Fire erupts in Harsnakar Restaurant in Yerevan

      a1plus September 21, 2012
      http://www.a1plus.am/en/social/2012/09/21/harsnakar

      Fire broke out in Harsnakar complex restaurant located in Yerevan's Avan administrative district at 4:50 Sept. 21. According to preliminary reports, the entire roof ( 340 square meters) of the building is on fire.The reasons for the fire are still unknown.

      Six fire brigades are currently working on the site.

      The notorious restuarant owned by Ruben Hayrapetyan, Chairman of Armenia's Football Federation and an MP of the Republican Party of Armenia (HHK) has been the center of tragic events for months, following a tragic incident which resulted in the death of a military doctor.

      On June 17, doctor Vahe Avetyan along with two colleagues was brutally beaten by security guards in the restaurant. Avetyan did not regain consciousness following the beating, and died 12 days later. The uproar following the death of the military doctor made Hayrapetyan renounce his mandate.

      According to eye-witnesses, Ruben Hayrapetyan and Samvel Alexanyan, another businessman from the ruling Republican party, are in the restaurant.

      Our film crew reports from the ground that Ruben Hayrapetyan insulted journalists who tried to inquire about the fire. His colleague Samvel Alexanyan said he had rushed to the restaurant upon learning the news about the incident. He did not exclude that the fire was caused by barbeque equipment.

      The fire was put out at 5:38.


      And a day later another HKK building burns!

      Roof of HHK building on fire
      http://www.a1plus.am/en/social/2012/09/22/fire

      A fire broke out in the building of the Republican Party of Armenia (HHK), located in Melik Adamyan Street in Yerevan. The correspondent of A1+ reports that the smoke is coming from various floors of the newly-built building.

      Four fire brigades with a fire escape staircase, and a rapid response team of the Crisis Management Center of the RA Ministry of Emergency Situations arrived on the scene.

      It should be mentioned that four months ago, on May 22, there was a fire in the HHK central building. At that time the roof of the old building was burned down.
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      Re: Who owns what in Armenia

      Quote Originally Posted by bell-the-cat View Post
      Vreg - because the primary language on the forum is English, I think that it would be better not post only Armenian-language items for cases where there are equivalent English-language sources. For example, there are many English-language reports on the recent Rouben Hayrapetyan scandal, and many of the sources you cited (lragir.am, a1plus.am) have english-language versions. Also, I think that the overall purpose of this thread will be more effective if it can reach a non-Armenian audience (or if those it concerns think it will).

      Vahe Avetyan's Sister Calls for Blacklist of Officals/Oligarchs

      hetq 12:27, September 15, 2012

      In an open letter dated September 7, Nvard Avetyan, sister of Vahe
      Avetyan, the Armenian military physician beaten to death on June 17,
      accuses Rouben Hayrapetyan of directly ordering the assault on her
      brother and his friends at the Harsnakar Restaurant.

      Calling Hayrapetyan a mafia oligarch, Nvard Avetyan, calls on all
      people of goodwill to join the fight for justice and to hold
      accountable all those guilty of tis heinous crime.

      She argues that the beating death of an Armenian army officer is yet
      further proof that all citizens of Armenia enjoy no protection under
      the law and the most inviolable of human rights, the right to live, is
      not safeguarded.

      Nvard Avetyan states that such crimes cast a shadow on Armenia's
      Constitution as well.

      In her letter, Avetyan calls for the creation of a list of those
      Armenian officials and oligarchs that must be sanctioned by a variety
      of world governments and international organization - in essence a
      blacklist.

      She proposes that the family members of those officials and oligarchs
      be banned from entering various countries and that their international
      bank accounts be frozen.


      Fire erupts in Harsnakar Restaurant in Yerevan

      a1plus September 21, 2012
      http://www.a1plus.am/en/social/2012/09/21/harsnakar

      Fire broke out in Harsnakar complex restaurant located in Yerevan's Avan administrative district at 4:50 Sept. 21. According to preliminary reports, the entire roof ( 340 square meters) of the building is on fire.The reasons for the fire are still unknown.

      Six fire brigades are currently working on the site.

      The notorious restuarant owned by Ruben Hayrapetyan, Chairman of Armenia's Football Federation and an MP of the Republican Party of Armenia (HHK) has been the center of tragic events for months, following a tragic incident which resulted in the death of a military doctor.

      On June 17, doctor Vahe Avetyan along with two colleagues was brutally beaten by security guards in the restaurant. Avetyan did not regain consciousness following the beating, and died 12 days later. The uproar following the death of the military doctor made Hayrapetyan renounce his mandate.

      According to eye-witnesses, Ruben Hayrapetyan and Samvel Alexanyan, another businessman from the ruling Republican party, are in the restaurant.

      Our film crew reports from the ground that Ruben Hayrapetyan insulted journalists who tried to inquire about the fire. His colleague Samvel Alexanyan said he had rushed to the restaurant upon learning the news about the incident. He did not exclude that the fire was caused by barbeque equipment.

      The fire was put out at 5:38.


      And a day later another HKK building burns!

      Roof of HHK building on fire
      http://www.a1plus.am/en/social/2012/09/22/fire

      A fire broke out in the building of the Republican Party of Armenia (HHK), located in Melik Adamyan Street in Yerevan. The correspondent of A1+ reports that the smoke is coming from various floors of the newly-built building.

      Four fire brigades with a fire escape staircase, and a rapid response team of the Crisis Management Center of the RA Ministry of Emergency Situations arrived on the scene.

      It should be mentioned that four months ago, on May 22, there was a fire in the HHK central building. At that time the roof of the old building was burned down.
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      Re: Who owns what in Armenia

      Quote Originally Posted by HermanGerman View Post
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      Re: Who owns what in Armenia

      Why posts in this thread should always be in English if possible: "we can see a new tendency of international intervention in Armenia's fight against the oligarchy".

      HUNT ON OLIGARCHS
      Naira Hayrumyan

      Lragir.am News: http://www.lragir.am/engsrc/comments27398.html
      Published: 10:37:24 - 17/09/2012

      The news that United States District Court fined Vardan Ayvazyan by
      over 37 million USD excited the social networks. Different options
      of holding Ayvazyan responsible, up to handing the case to Interpol,
      are being considered. But the important thing is that we can see a
      new tendency of international intervention in Armenia's fight against
      the oligarchy.


      Anti-oligarchy fight supposes inevitable redistribution of property,
      and since Armenia is unable to deal with confiscation of property
      unlawfully acquired by the oligarchs, the U.S. has decided to get
      involved.

      This tendency is supported by the appeal of Vahe Avetyan's sister Nvard
      to the international organization to make an "Avetyan list" like the
      "Magnitsky list', which would ban entrance of lawbreaker oligarchs
      to foreign countries and would freeze their accounts and capitals.

      It is evident that "conscience" calls would have no influence since
      the government defends their capital and property while property is
      their "Achilles' heel" and those who want to uproot oligarchy should
      begin with their property.

      They will really need the support of the international community
      because the authorities of Armenia keep protecting property and not
      allowing even their rivals to get closer to it. Not only foreign
      companies but also the Armenian Diaspora can sue Armenian oligarchs.

      Look what is happening to the Armenian Syrians. They come here,
      see that everything is already occupied by oligarchs and leave. How
      many Diaspora Armenians who have been deceived and suffered from
      corruption and monopoly will be found? Even if a very small part of
      them reveals the oligarchs' deeds in their countries, the oligarchy
      in Armenia will shattered.

      It is not ruled out that the "hunt on oligarchy" underway in Armenia
      is already supported by international organizations which shout that
      oligarchy is an obstacle to integration in civil systems. On these
      days, the French Slate published a sad article about Armenia which
      dwells also on the issue of oligarchs, an evil that Armenia is unable
      to fight, which has covered the whole country like a tumor.

      Five more days and Ruben Hayrapetyan will not be able to withdraw his
      resignation. If he does not, he will lose his immunity. We already
      hear him say that he is a scapegoat. Perhaps, Vardan Ayvazyan will
      be the next scapegoat and will be forced to pay 37 million USD and
      go bankrupt.

      But these things will happen only if Serzh Sargsyan realizes that the
      oligarchs destroy the country and push him into the abyss. If he does
      not understand this, the international community will "explain". It
      is not ruled out that soon we will learn about a suit against Samvel
      Alexanyan who is a "professional" in counterfeiting. There are so many
      breaches that it is not difficult to make a list of these people and
      ban their access to other countries and confiscate their property.
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      Re: Who owns what in Armenia

      RFE/RL Armenia Report
      Monday, September 17, 2012

      Ex-Minister Dismisses U.S. Court Ruling On Bribery Case

      Armenia - Former Environment Minister Vartan Ayvazian at a news
      conference in Yerevan, 17Sep2012.

      Hovannes Shoghikian, Emil Danielyan
      17.09.2012

      Vartan Ayvazian, a senior Armenian lawmaker and former environment
      minister, on Monday dismissed a U.S. federal court ruling ordering him
      to pay more than $37 million in damages to a U.S. mining company that
      has accused him of corruption.

      The Connecticut-based Global Gold Corporation publicly accused
      Ayvazian in 2006 of demanding a $3 million bribe from its top
      executives after the Armenian Ministry of Environment terminated the
      company's license to carry out exploratory and mining operations at a
      small gold deposit in Hankavan, central Armenia.

      Ayvazian, who was environment minister at the time, strongly denied
      the allegations, saying that Global Gold was stripped of the license
      because it failed to honor its investments commitments. Then Prime
      Minister Andranik Markarian also dismissed the bribery claims.

      The U.S. Embassy in Yerevan took the claims seriously, however,
      raising the matter with the Armenian government.

      In 2007, Global Gold filed lawsuits against Ayvazian and the
      government with the International Chamber of Commerce and the
      International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID)
      respectively. It subsequently settled the dispute with the government
      but pressed its case against Ayvazian. The company also took the case
      to the U.S. Southern District Court of New York.

      On September 5, the New York court ordered law-enforcement bodies to
      seize $37.5 million worth of assets from Ayvazian and transfer them to
      Global Gold. The order came almost two months after the court slapped
      the huge fine on the Armenian official.

      Global Gold sources say Ayvazian was notified about the verdict before
      it took effect on August 10 but failed to respond to it.

      Ayvazian denied receiving its copies, however. He dismissed the
      ruling, saying that it can have `no legal consequences' because a
      U.S. court can have no jurisdiction over Armenian citizens residing in
      Armenia.

      The ex-minister, who now chairs the Armenian parliament's committee on
      economic affairs, also again denied ever seeking kickbacks from the
      U.S. firm. `Let one person say that I demanded a bribe from them so
      that I can sue them,' he told a news conference. `There is no such
      person.'

      A Global Gold source told RFE/RL's Armenian service (Azatutyun.am)
      that Ayvazian was fined by the New York because he was the de facto
      key shareholder in SHA, an Armenian company that sold the Hankavan
      deposit to Global Gold in 2004, and guaranteed that the latter will
      not get in trouble with the Armenian government. The source said that
      when they signed the takeover deal both firms also agreed to submit to
      the jurisdiction of courts in the U.S. state of New York in case of
      disputes.

      Ayvazian has denied fully or partly owning SHA. Armenian media outlets
      have for years linked him with ownership of properties rich in
      precious and other metals. The Ministry of Environment Protection had
      considerable regulatory authority over the Armenian mining industry
      when it was run by Ayvazian.

      The investigative online publication Hetq.am reported last year that
      Ayvazian at least partly owns Bounty Resources Armenia Limited (BRAL),
      an obscure firm that controls three untapped iron deposits in three
      different parts of the country. Ayvazian did not deny this. `Let that
      remain a secret as well,' he said at a news conference in February
      2011.

      The ex-minister affiliated with the ruling Republican Party of Armenia
      (HHK) spoke shortly after it was announced that a Hong
      Kong-headquartered firm, Fortune Oil, has paid $24 million to buy a 35
      percent stake in BRAL. BRAL was apparently set up and granted
      operating licenses for the three iron mines during Ayvazian's
      ministerial tenure that ended in 2008.
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      I am all for the disruption of oligarchy in Hayastan but what bothers me about this article is that forces outside the country are effecting what happens inside it. USA court decisions should not be the main catalysts for such reform in Armenia.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Haykakan View Post
      I am all for the disruption of oligarchy in Hayastan but what bothers me about this article is that forces outside the country are effecting what happens inside it. USA court decisions should not be the main catalysts for such reform in Armenia.
      From what I get both of the parties have agreed that the US has every jurisdiction over every dispute that they have. This is basic contract law and scum bag is getting what is coming to him.
      You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience!!!!!!!

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      http://www.slaq.am/eng/news/84630/


      The authorities finally admitted that the Foreign Ministry building will become a hotel




      The authorities finally admitted that the Foreign Ministry building will become a hotel

      “The authorities finally admitted that the RA Foreign Ministry building will become a hotel.
      Chief architect of Yerevan Narek Sargsyan yesterday made such a statement and informed that a new building will be built for the Foreign Ministry.

      It is worth reminding that on September 23, 2011, “Zhoghovurd” daily had reported that the Government was going to sell the Foreign Ministry building to “Kempinski” hotel network.
      The RA Government, Foreign Ministry and State Property Management Department were denying the rumors ruling out such kind of developments.
      Today, however, they admit that the Foreign Ministry building will become a hotel’’, “Zhoghovurd’’ daily wrote.


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      Quote Originally Posted by londontsi View Post
      The authorities finally admitted that the Foreign Ministry building will become a hotel
      Next they will sell the Armenian parliament building.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yAkDde2DPc

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      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kempinski

      ....... Rest of Europe

      Kempinski Yerevan Hotel, Yerevan, Armenia (opening 2013)
      Kempinski Hotel Cathedral Square, Vilnius, Lithuania
      Kempinski Das Tirol, Jochberg, Austria (opened 2011)
      Palais Hansen Kempinski, Vienna, Austria (opening 2012)
      Kempinski Hotel Dukes' Palace, Bruges, Belgium
      Kempinski Hotel Sarajevo City Center, Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina
      Kempinski Hotel Zografski, Sofia, Bulgaria
      Kempinski Hotel Grand Arena, Bansko, Bulgaria, The Leading Hotels of the World
      Kempinski Hotel Adriatic, Umag, Croatia
      Kempinski Hybernská, Prague, Czech Republic
      Kempinski Hotel Corvinus, Budapest, Hungary, The Leading Hotels of the World
      Kempinski Hotel Giardino di Costanza, Sicily, Italy, The Leading Hotels of the World
      Kempinski Hotel San Lawrenz, Gozo, Malta
      Hotel Baltschug Kempinski, Moscow, Russia, The Leading Hotels of the World
      Grand Hotel Kempinski High Tatras, Štrbské Pleso, Slovakia ............
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      Չափումները վկայում են, որ Ծիծեռնակաբերդի խճուղին կառուցվել է «ատկատներով»
      Դանիել Իոաննիսյան

      18:47, 26 հունվարի, 2013
      Հիրավի, ոչ մեկի համար նորություն չէ, որ Հայաստանում ճանապարհային շինարարությունը կատարվում է «ատկատներով» ու պետական գումարների գրպանումներով: Սակայն շատերին թվում էր, թե դա անվերահսկելի է, քանի որ լուրջ փորձաքննություն է ենթադրում:

      Մենք որոշեցինք ձեռքի տակ եղած միջոցներով ստուգել վերջերս կառուցված Ծիծեռնակաբերդի խճուղու երթևեկության գոտիների լայնությունը և դրա համապատասխանությունը ստանդարտներին... Պարզվեց, որ գրպանումների ապացույցները աչքի առջև են:

      Այսպիսով, Ծիծեռնակաբերդի խճուղին ունի (յուրաքանչյուր ուղղությամբ) երթևեկության երկուական գոտի, որոնցից յուրաքանչյուրի լայնությունը, համաձայն պետական ստանդարտների, պետք է լինի 3,5 մետր: Ըստ այդմ, փողոցի (խճուղու) լայնությունը պետք է լինի 14 մետր:

      Այնուամենայնիվ, բազմաթիվ տեղեր չափումներ անելով՝ չկարողացանք գտնել գեթ մի հատված, որտեղ աջ գոտու լայնությունը լիներ 3,4 մետրից ավելի, իսկ ձախ գոտունը՝ 3,15 մետրից: Իսկ տեղ-տեղ գոտիների լայնությունը կամ, ավելի ճիշտ, բարակությունը հասնում էր 2,8 մետրի...

      Հանրագումարի բերելով չափումները՝ նշենք, որ խճուղու մի քանի հատվածում (արագաչափ սարքի մոտ, հանգույց-կամուրջի տակ և այլ) կատարված փողոցի լայնության չափումների միջինը 14 մետրի փոխարեն կազմում էր մոտ 12,5-12,8 մետր:

      http://hetq.am/arm/articles/22725/ch...tkatnerov.html

      Այսինքն՝ շուրջ 2 կմ երկարություն ունեցող Ծիծեռնակաբերդի խճուղու լայնությունը պետ. ստանդարտից մոտ 1,5 մետրով (մոտ 10 տոկոսով) պակաս է:

      Մի կողմ թողնելով այն հանգամանքը, որ դա բավականին լուրջ անհարմարություններ է ստեղծում վարորդների համար՝ վթարային իրավիճակների պատճառ է դառնում՝ դա նաև, ինչպես նշեցինք, պետական միջոցների գրպանում է:

      Առաջիկայում կփորձենք գնահատել, թե որքան գումարի վնաս է հասցվել պետությանը, բայց կարող ենք մոտավոր ասել, որ խոսքը հարյուրավոր միլիոն դրամների մասին է:

      Հույս ենք հայտնում, որ իրավապահ մարմինները, հիմք ընդունելով սույն հրապարակումը, կնախաձեռնեն քննություն, կպատժեն մեղավորներին և միջոցներ կձեռնարկեն պետությանը հասցված վնասը վերականգնելու ուղղությամբ:

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      Passions for Carrefour: Delay in famous French retailer’s arrival in Armenia linked

      By SIRANUYSH GEVORGYAN
      ArmeniaNow reporter

      Europe’s largest supermarket chain owner Carrefour is still studying the Armenian market. Despite expectations in Yerevan that already this year the Armenian capital would get an international supermarket, the French multinational retailer’s representatives have indicated that it could take another year before the company enters Armenia.

      The French Carrefour supermarket chain has space in the newly opened Dalma Garden Mall in Yerevan where the signs on the doors of what looks like a supermarket space read since October: “Opening Soon”. As the opening of the supermarket has not taken place to date (and especially since in neighboring Georgia Carrefour already opened its supermarket in September) the Armenian media began to speculate that its opening is hampered by local oligarchs. According to some press reports, due to its much cheaper products and import of own goods Carrefour’s presence would take a bite out of the businesses of local importing and retail trade businesses, in particular the Yerevan City supermarket chain owned by government-linked MP Samvel Alexanyan.

      The opposition Haykakan Zhamanak daily wrote last week that according to its reliable information, senior Carrefour representatives have for a long time tried to meet the highest leadership of Armenia, but have not succeeded in doing that yet.

      “Our [leadership] finds pretexts for not meeting Carrefour representatives, saying it is now a presidential election, that [President] Serzh Sargsyan and [Prime Minister] Tigran Sargsyan are very busy. But delaying meetings with Carrefour representatives is actually connected with the fact that they cannot answer their questions yet,” writes the newspaper.

      This publication was followed by a story in Emedia.am, claiming that instead of Carrefour, Dalma Gardens Mall will have another Yerevan City store.

      In reply to a written inquiry of ArmeniaNow, a Carrefour Group press officer said that "in line with its strategy of developing the Carrefour brand, the Majid Al Futtaim group continues to analyze the Armenian market and aims to open its first store in the next 12 months."

      The company that belongs to Arab billionaire Majid Al Futtaim and bears his name is developing the Carrefour brand in the Middle East and Central Asia.

      Economic commentator Armenak Chatinyan told ArmeniaNow that Carrefour’s entrance will certainly bring in more competition to the Armenian market.

      “The entrance of any such big brand will in a certain way liven up competition, but the thing is that one of our large companies [referring to Alexanyan’s company] is working in not such a clean tax environment. It is not clear how long Carrefour will be able to compete in such conditions, but if such a brand is coming, it is not ruled out that they may have prior arrangements with the authorities,” says Chatinyan.

      Companies owned by Alexanyan’s extended family have repeatedly denied having any privileged position on the market.

      Civilnet.am, citing its own sources, writes that besides Dalma Gardens Mall Carrefour also plans opening two more hypermarkets in Yerevan – one near the Hayranik Cinema House in Arshakunyats Avenue and the other on the Yerevan-Sevan highway.

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      LFIG , N2 oligarkh/Geghekitch of Armenia wons against N1 retailer of France; Hourra !

      «Ժամանակ». «Կարֆուրից» հրաժարվել են


      Փետրվար 05, 2013

      «Դալմա-մոլի» սեփականատեր, ռուսաստանաբնակ գործարար Սամվել Կարապետյանը, ի վերջո, կասեցրել է ֆրանսիական հայտնի «Կարֆուր» հիպերմարկետների ցանցի հետ պայմանագիրը։ Այդ մասին գրում է «Ժամանակ» թերթը՝ վկայակոչելով իշխանական աղբյուրներին։

      «Ընդ որում, ըստ նույն աղբյուրների դա հիմնականում կատարվել է Հայաստան առաջին անհրաժեշտության ապրանքների ներկրող ՀՀԿ խմբակցության պատգամավոր Սամվել Ալեքսանյանի գործուն ջանքերի արդյունքում։ Հիշեցնենք, որ նախնական հայտարարությամբ, «Կարֆուրը» Հայաստանում պետք է սկսեր գործել դեռ անցյալ տարվա նոյեմբերին։ Նշենք, որ «Կարֆուրը»տարբեր երկրներում ունի ավելի քան 15 հազար առեւտրական կենտրոն եւ հիմնականում ինքն է ներկրում իր հիպերմարկետներում վաճառվող ապրանքը, ինչի արդյունքում կարող էր համեմատաբար էժան ապրանքներ վաճառելՀայաստանում. Օրինակ՝ նույն ձեթը, շաքարավազը»,- գրում է «Ժամանակը»։

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      Re: Who owns what in Armenia

      This whole Carrefour business is the straw that broke the camels back. I am sick and tired of the criminals in the Armenian parliament and government, destroying the country today. I love the fact that so many people are blaming everyone except the oligarchs for the situation Armenia is in today. I cannot wait for a popular force to rise and sweep the RPA out of power and into oblivion. If it doesn't happen soon Armenia will implode and disappear from the map.

      Where is the outrage! Where is the opposition! Armenia just has lost 100 of jobs! Where is the populous? Do they not care that they just lost so many jobs, the chance to press prices down in the whole country and push for a more open economy.
      Last edited by KarotheGreat; 02-05-2013 at 02:24 AM.
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      Karo jan what happened to you? I remember our talks years ago on msn with several other ex-members on this forum. What happened to the Karo from back then? Your latest posts on this forum have been very simplistic to say the least, it seems you let your emotions do the thinking for you instead of using your mind. Apsos...

      Quote Originally Posted by KarotheGreat View Post
      I am sick and tired of the criminals in the Armenian parliament and government, destroying the country today.
      The government is a reflection of its people. It doesn't matter who (which individual) is in charge, the reality is the oligarchs are a by-product of our society. If you took someone from the street who's constantly complaining about the oligarchs and criminals in government and you made him a millionaire overnight, in 99% of the cases he would act exactly the same way as the people he's criticising. I'm sure of this because if you look closely you'll see that corrupt state of mind everywhere around you. Just a simple example: A man goes to see a doctor who is a relative or a friend of the family. He arrives there and sees a whole bunch of people waiting for their turn. The doctor comes out to the waiting room and sees his relative, ignores the other people waiting there and calls the man in just because he knows him.
      We see the same favoritism in politics although the impact of it is bigger, I think the smaller sin is just as wrong as the bigger sin. You can see many examples of this in our society but somehow, people like YOU expect our government officials to become saints when they reach office. Now honestly ask this question to yourself, how would you and the people close to you act when you were that man visiting the doctor? Would you say no and wait for your turn or walk in smiling, feeling good about yourself?

      What we need is an evolution in the mentality of our people, this takes generations but I believe (if everything remains stable) our people will reach that level of consciousness, where they understand that national interests should always come before personal interests. It takes time but we will get there, now that we have an independent Armenia - which is essential for developing this kind of mindset. You were educated in Belgium, you should know that not even a century ago Western Europe was also run by "oligarchs" as you call them. Then some (first one then two then others followed and politicians seeing the support it got from the population also followed) of these rich businessmen reached a level of consciousness where they understood it was their moral obligation to give something back to society. They initiated the movement for social benefits and workers rights.


      I love the fact that so many people are blaming everyone except the oligarchs for the situation Armenia is in today.
      Very simplistic statement you make here. Who are those people you're talking about? Do you mean Sarkis86, Vahram and the other patriots on here who actually understand there is more to it than just the oligarchs? And please the number of people whining about the oligarchs is far higher than the people who actually understand that there is more to it. Just read some of the discussions on facebook or blogs and you even have your own media (hetq, armenianow) which are always crying foul about the oh so bad oligarchs. Maybe we're just sick and tired of the constant crying, whining and pessimism which you and others like you propagate. While you people think about changing the government and removing the bad oligarchs, installing american style "democracy", human rights and other blabla - We actually think how we can work with what we've got and remove "the bad guys" gradually, when the time is right. Besides it's better to work with the "dog" you know than start a revolution and bring new "dogs" or foreign "dogs" to power and start all over again.


      I cannot wait for a popular force to rise and sweep the RPA out of power and into oblivion. If it doesn't happen soon Armenia will implode and disappear from the map.
      Please, the RPA is the only respectable political force we have today. What about the PAP are they clear of "oligarchs"? Or even the ANC (remember sukiasyan)? The RPA needs to clean house but this also takes time. However our respectable president Serzh Sargsyan has started this process. Just think of the mayor in Gyumri (also RPA member) which rightfully got removed for mr. Balasanyan (PAP member) with the full support of the RPA! Not everything is as simple as you would like it to be.
      Revolutions don't bring anything good, there have been enough examples for you to see the last couple of years. If you think it would somehow be different for Armenia you're dreaming. There is this saying in Armenian which I don't remember exactly word for word but it goes something like this: "Revolutions are thought out by "intellectuals" (typically the western educated, arrogant, brainwashed types), initiated/started by students (the hot blooded-not in control of their emotions types) and won by the "srikaner" (the "oligarchs" as you call them).


      Where is the outrage! Where is the opposition! Armenia just has lost 100 of jobs! Where is the populous? Do they not care that they just lost so many jobs, the chance to press prices down in the whole country and push for a more open economy.
      Last edited by Lernakan; 02-05-2013 at 10:57 AM.
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