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      Well it's better to refer to it as Apostolic. This also lessens confusion, since 'orthodox' label is often times confused for "Eastern Orthodox" which Armenian Church isn't part of. We have a rather independent Church, in communion with Syriac and Coptic Churches. We notably reject the Council of Chalcedon We are more accurately a Miaphysite Churche, as with that rejection, we believe that Jesus Christ had one single nature rather than 2.
      Yeah, I know the Copts say Chalcedon was a matter of translation, but then an other argument from the Oriental/miaphysite perspective is that Chalcedonian dyophysite are closer to Nestorianism, which I do not know much about. Do you know why?

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      Yeah, I know the Copts say Chalcedon was a matter of translation, but then an other argument from the Oriental/miaphysite perspective is that Chalcedonian dyophysite are closer to Nestorianism, which I do not know much about. Do you know why?
      Interesting section from Wiki regarding Nestorianism/DYophysite:

      Dyophysite has also been used to describe Nestorianism, the doctrine ascribed to the Patriarch Nestorius of Constantinople by his detractors, which asserted that Christ existed as two persons (hypostases): the human Jesus and the divine Logos. The use of it to describe those who supported the Chalcedonian position (who continued on as the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches) is tantamount to accusing them of being Nestorian, which they were not as they emphasised the complete and perfect unity of the two natures in one hypostasis. For the Chalcedonians the hypostasis was the centre of Jesus' unity (his divinity and humanity being described as natures) whereas those who rejected the Chalcedonian definition saw his nature as the point of unity. Many historical theologians and ecumenists believe it was and continues to be more a difference of terminology than actual belief.
      so on another point, you recently converted to the Armenian Church? from what church or religion you converted?
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      so on another point, you recently converted to the Armenian Church? from what church or religion you converted?
      Sort of ex-Messianic/Ex-denominationally agnostic Christian, ex-nondenominational, ex-almost Catholicism inquirer getting a ride to church where a college student can, ex-Lutheran. I've been around a few denominations. I'm still trying to get the last of Catholicism out of my head and need to read up on an eastern take on sacraments.
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      Re: Which Orthodox church to join

      Quote Originally Posted by Hyegirl View Post
      Sort of ex-Messianic/Ex-denominationally agnostic Christian, ex-nondenominational, ex-almost Catholicism inquirer getting a ride to church where a college student can, ex-Lutheran. I've been around a few denominations. I'm still trying to get the last of Catholicism out of my head and need to read up on an eastern take on sacraments.
      So you are just trying different denominations out?? What attracted you to the Armenian Church?
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      So you are just trying different denominations out?? What attracted you to the Armenian Church?
      I blame my parents and youthful my willingness to listen to others to the point of not really making up my own mind for myself.

      How many answers do you want of things that attracted me to the Armenian church? I think in the end, it goes back to the flaws of Catholicism and my exposure to Catholicism and former attraction to it as a young child. Armenian Apostolic is one of the few churches I could happily live with, one of the few that combines all the best of Catholicism, with better theology, and a lot of common sense. I'll find you a dozen more attractions if you want (admittedly some better than others).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hyegirl View Post
      I blame my parents and youthful my willingness to listen to others to the point of making up my own mind for myself.

      How many answers do you want of things that attracted me to the Armenian church? I think in the end, it goes back to the flaws of Catholicism and my exposure to Catholicism and former attraction to it as a young child. Armenian Apostolic is one of the few churches I could happily live with, one of the few that combines all the best of Catholicism, with better theology, and a lot of common sense. I'll find you a dozen more attractions if you want (admittedly some better than others).
      In what religions your parents raised you? Do you really think Armenian Church is similar to Catholic church? Maybe in externals, but not really in theology I would say.
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      Re: Which Orthodox church to join

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      In what religions your parents raised you? Do you really think Armenian Church is similar to Catholic church? Maybe in externals, but not really in theology I would say.
      Christian, Protestant.

      It is similar in the externals, but the theology is waaayyyy better. Eastern theology seems natural and healthy. Like I said, all the best of Catholicism, but with better theology and with common sense.
      Last edited by Hyegirl; 09-24-2012 at 08:11 PM.

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      Christian, Protestant.

      It is similar in the externals, but the theology is waaayyyy better. Eastern theology seems natural and healthy. Like I said, all the best of Catholicism, but with better theology and with common sense.
      Hmm okay. what's your ancestry by the way?

      Yes, there are similarities in externals, but also many differences I have to say. I think one of the most healthy things in comparison with Catholicism is the allowance/encouragement of priests to marry and have children.
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      Hmm okay. what's your ancestry by the way?

      Yes, there are similarities in externals, but also many differences I have to say. I think one of the most healthy things in comparison with Catholicism is the allowance/encouragement of priests to marry and have children.
      What do you mean what is my ancestry?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hyegirl View Post
      What do you mean what is my ancestry?
      I mean what's your ethnicity? Just curious to know.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mos View Post
      I mean what's your ethnicity? Just curious to know.
      You don't know?
      Last edited by Hyegirl; 09-24-2012 at 08:33 PM.

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      Re: Which Orthodox church to join

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      You can't figure something out with my user name?
      Just a username. Doesn't always reflect what someone is. Since you said you were raised protestant by your parents that why I thought you might be something else.
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      Just a username. Doesn't always reflect what someone is. Since you said you were raised protestant by your parents that why I thought you might be something else.
      I'm mixed ethnicity with converted extended relatives.

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      Re: Which Orthodox church to join

      Quote Originally Posted by Hyegirl View Post
      I'm mixed ethnicity, which means that if memory serves, I am completely non-Armenian with only an identity crisis to motivate me to care about the Armenian side according to you.
      I don't remember your story, so I don't want to judge. Though getting into an Armenian Church is a good step!
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      Re: Which Orthodox church to join

      Quote Originally Posted by Mos View Post
      I don't remember your story, so I don't want to judge. Though getting into an Armenian Church is a good step!
      I'll hand it to you. I am pleased and impressed. Thank you, Mos.

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