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      Myth of Khojaly "Massacre"

      Over these next few days get ready for the Azeri propaganda machine to pump out the usual against the alleged Khojaly "Genocide". It's rather hilarious the lengths they've gone to twist and exaggerate this in order to defame Armenia.

      The Azerbaijani statement of 22 February 1997, with regard
      to what they call the Khojalu event, is the most cynical and
      vicious statement ever made by Azerbaijan.

      Azerbaijan refers shamelessly to a 1992 military event, where,
      according to then-Azerbaijani President Mutalibov, the responsibility
      for the slaughter of the civilian population of the mostly Azeri city
      of Khojalu near the capital Stepanakert of Nagorny Karabakh fully
      falls on the Azeri opposition group, the Azerbaijani National Front.

      In the days following the event, President Mutalibov, in an
      interview with Czech journalist Dana Mazalova published in the 2 April
      1992 issue of the Russian newspaper Nizavisimaya Gazeta, said that the
      militia of the Azerbaijani National Front actively obstructed and
      actually prevented the exodus of the local population through the
      mountain passages specifically left open by Karabakh Armenians to
      facilitate the flight of the civilian population.

      (On this matter, the September 1992 report of the Helsinki Watch
      international non-governmental organization quotes an Azerbaijani
      woman who says that Armenians had notified the Azerbaijani civilian
      population to leave the town with white flags raised.) In fact the
      Azerbaijani militia shot those who attempted to flee.

      The hope and intention of the Azerbaijani opposition was to
      utilize civilian losses of such a magnitude to instigate a popular
      uprising against the Baku regime and seize the reins of power.
      Azerbaijan does not stop at simply distorting the truth. Not only
      does it falsely attribute its own opposition's merciless slaughter of
      Khojalu's civilian population to Armenians, it brazenly characterizes
      the killings as "distinctively inhumane and cruel" and "massacres".
      In so doing Azerbaijan fully comprehends that for the Armenian people
      these terms unfailingly evoke memories of massacre and genocide in
      Armenians' distant - and recent - past.

      It is not coincidental that Azerbaijan has dared to make this
      statement on the anniversary of the most bloody event of Armenia's
      recent history. On 28 February 1988, when the people of Nagorny
      Karabakh were arguing by peaceful and constitutional means for their
      right to self-determination, Azerbaijani authorities organized and
      armed a mob, which began pogroms against Armenians in the Azerbaijani
      city of Sumgait. The Sumgait massacres were followed by killings and
      pillaging in Gianja in November 1988 and Baku in January 1990.

      In the spring of 1991, the very leaders of the current Azerbaijani
      regime, assisted by the Soviet Army, organized the depopulation of the
      Armenian regions of Northern Artzakh, and the deportation of the
      Armenian population of Nagorny Karabakh and the surrounding 24
      regions. Helsinki Watch, in the above-mentioned report, testifies
      that "these events were intended to exacerbate the fear and horror of
      ethnic Armenians in other parts of Azerbaijan" and lead to the
      deportation and ethnic cleansing of more than 600,000 Armenians.

      These atrocities were followed by a cycle of large-scale
      Azerbaijani military offensives and operations designed to produce a
      military solution to the conflict by annihilating the population of
      Nagorny Karabakh.

      Although such acts have all taken place in the last decades of the
      twentieth century, the people of Nagorny Karabakh experienced a
      similar fate during the first two decades of this century as well.
      The massacres and pogroms of 1905 in Baku, and 1918 and 1920 in
      Shushi, where the entire city of Shushi was burned and its whole
      population was annihilated, are still vivid memories.

      Therefore, this statement can only be seen as a crude, gross
      violation of the norms and principles of international law. While
      fostering an aggressive and exclusive nationalism, Azerbaijan
      blatantly promotes and incites ethnic hatred towards the population of
      Nagorny Karabakh, with whom it continuously claims it can peacefully
      and harmoniously live together. Further, Azerbaijan proclaims it can
      guarantee Karabakh's security and peaceful existence, even while it
      advances distrust and enmity by falsely accusing Armenians and
      callously misrepresenting its own role and responsibility in recent
      events.

      The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Armenia once
      again reiterates the warning sounded by the President of Armenia,
      Levon Ter-Petrossian, during the Lisbon summit of the Organization for
      Security and Cooperation in Europe, that, in the event of imposed
      Azerbaijani rule on Nagorny Karabakh, the people of Nagorny Karabakh
      will face the threat of genocide.
      http://xocali.net/EN/index.html

      Conclusion

      Responsibility for the tragic loss of civilian life on February 26-27, 1992 on the outskirts of Agdam, territory fully controlled by Azeri forces, lies with the political and military leadership of Azerbaijan.

      First, the Azeri leadership used the territory of Khojaly for indiscriminate artillery attacks on civilian targets, thus turning the town into a legitimate military target for NKR Self-Defense Forces.

      Second, the Azeri leadership intentionally prevented the civilian population from leaving the militarized village.

      Third, the Azeri leadership failed to safely relocate civilians from Khojaly after public warnings of upcoming military operation, although it had many opportunities to do so.

      Fourth, retreating Azeri forces provoked an exchange of fire with NKR Self-Defense Forces some five miles from Khojaly, which resulted in losses on both sides.

      Fifth, those who had continued, full access to the site of reported close-range, mass killing are responsible for it. The reported killing of hundreds of civilians with incidences of barbaric mutilation of bodies took place near Agdam (some seven miles from Khojaly), on the territory controlled by Azeri forces. Free access to the site by Azeri and Turkish journalists is clear evidence to that end.

      In addition, Azerbaijan continues to create ground for a prolonged human tragedy by inciting anti-Armenian sentiments and intolerance in Azeri society. Such a policy stalls efforts to build bridges between Armenian and Azeri people and achieve eventual, long-lasting peace between Azerbaijan and Nagorno Karabakh.
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      a response to the girl from khojaly who wrote a letter to Sargisyan and Sarkozy

      Ingratitude and falsehood - a shaky foundation for a demonstration of patriotism
      In the Azeri media disseminated a letter Zarifa Guliyeva
      addressed to the presidents of Armenia and France, which
      despite the accumulation of fiction and just lies,
      can not be left unanswered.

      Dear Zarifa!

      I, like many thousands of readers who read your letter to the presidents of Armenia and France, Serzh Sargsyan and Nicolas Sarkozy. As you yourself do not believe that the president will respond to your letter, and make sure that the writing was honored with an interested reader, wishes everyone a novice writer, try to satisfy your vanity. I will say even more: many of your countrymen would be happy if your emails no response. It's so convenient to the reluctance to write a clear response to the present nonsense as "they have nothing to answer."

      "They," that is us, the Armenians have something to say. But I'll start by saying that I am expressing my satisfaction that you are wearing in the womb of yours, Zarif, the mother was able to get out of Khojaly and happily give birth you. I'm really satisfied with this, because for this attacking Khojaly Self-Defense Forces of the Republic of Artsakh left free easterly direction to exit the civilian population of the village from the war zone. Your life, Zarif is a confirmation of the Armenian nobility Warriors and their reluctance to cause suffering to the civilian population. Unfortunately, your tribesmen in military uniforms in similar situations, there were quite different, with no signs of mercy killing and dismembering caught up in their power to innocent people. Read the tragic story Khramort, Maragha, Farukh and other Armenian villages of Artsakh.

      For this reason, Zarif, I very much hope that you are in his letters are not intentionally trying to mislead the presidents of the two states. I hope you understand, ingratitude and injustice - a shaky foundation for a demonstration of patriotism. And sorry that your letters full of lies.

      You been saved by Armenian soldier, comparing with the Khojaly Lidice. Lidice was actually completely burned by the fascists, and all men age 16 and older - were shot. Meanwhile, Khojaly was not burned down (it still lives large number of people), and all fled before the men of the village women. See the difference? Yes, Azerbaijan managed to agree on the construction of a monument to the victims of Lidice Khojalu, but you probably did not say that Czech officials have refused to attend the events dedicated to the killing of civilians in Khojaly.

      It's not just that the financial investments of Azerbaijan affected only Lidice, and did not touch the rest of the cities Czech Republic, and the problem is that the expression "killing of civilians in Khojaly" is false. Not to mention such a favorite of Azeri propagandists word "genocide."

      You write about the events that followed after a few hours after the assault on Khojaly as "one of the most horrible tragedies of the last century," and, you know, I - Armenian - I can not disagree. Yes, Armenians, whose ancestors survived the genocide in the Ottoman Empire, when they were cut, hacked, starve and thirst for more than a half million people, Armenians, whose ancestors 250,000 cut in the territory of Azerbaijan in 1918-1920. But I agree with you: events in the suburbs Akny (while Aghdam) are indeed a great human tragedy.

      But you, Zarif, as I said, is based on a lie, and are operating with false figures. You mislead readers when you write "were killed in Khojaly my young brother, grandmother, uncle, in total, our family lost 22 people." Maybe someone will believe you may have this "someone" would have been me, except for one important fact: I have personally checked the Khojaly after his release from illegal gangs, criminals will of the flooded town of Baku. It was found eleven dead bodies of innocent people, twice as less than "killed in Khojaly" only in your family. Meanwhile, if the power in Azerbaijan was sympathetic (as required by international law) to the desire of inhabitants of Artsakh to live in a free country, you could calmly be born and grow in Khojaly, surrounded by all your relatives. But Baku has chosen the path of war ...

      You chose the wrong destination for their letters. Today in Baku is a war criminal and a murderer of children Ayaz Mutalibov. He was president of Azerbaijan in the days when your pregnant mother left Khojaly after fleeing out the defenders. Why do not you ask him: for what purpose he had stuffed Khojalu weapon, why newcomers to Artsakh "heroes" shot from guns and deadly "Castle" of Khojaly in Stepanakert, Noragyugh, Askeran, Kyatuku ..? Why did the killer sent a cover of your pregnancy and your mother, if not born, lives? Do Mutalibov and his entourage did not understand that we will protect their children that the only way to ensure that their lives are destroyed pillboxes, day and night to destroy our cities and towns, killing our children? What if they understood this, then what role in the crime was assigned the civilian population of the village?

      Our troops are not intended to kill your mother and your family. The task of the Defense Army of Artsakh has been mishandled from the purification of the country from Baku, Azerbaijan, gangs, saving the lives of our children. We value life. That is why the exit was opened to ensure that your family could leave the scene of fighting. Although, you know, Zarif, fight, then, as such, in Khojaly was not. Now known as your protectors, and, in fact, assembled from all parts of Azerbaijan mob assassins and cowardly fled from the very beginning of the assault. Killers, because they can not be champions. Already the population fled after them. Ran to meet his death, waiting for them in Acne.

      Zarif, if you really are the author of letters to the presidents of two states, then you have to be developed logic. Tell them you are not surprised that your family were killed in Acne, in the city, which at that time was 35,000 heavily armed askers of Azerbaijan? You do not perturb the dirty manipulation of Azerbaijani political scientists with the corpse of the girl , whose lifeless body was stripped and re-dressed, dragged to the outskirts of the Akny, then back again to move to Aknu? And all this is to show the world the alleged "atrocities" genocide. Look at it, maybe it is - one of your dead relatives. But in any case, this girl is like, by the way, and you, poor victim of a power struggle in Azerbaijan.

      There is also a recipient to whom you could write a letter. This is - Ilham Aliyev, the son of Heydar Aliyev. Ask him why the March 31, 1994, his father ordered to discontinue the criminal proceedings to investigate the causes of death of the inhabitants of Khojaly in Acne? Could it be that the formation of the Soviet investigators have received too close to the truth?

      You follow the Azeri propaganda, call it the death toll Khojaly - 613. I do not know where to Baku took this figure, but two years ago called the Military Prosecutor of Azerbaijan different figures : "Of those killed in the tragedy, 192 people were residents of Khojaly, as well as 24 people - Azeris expelled in 1988 from Armenia, 32 - IDPs from Khankendi expelled in 1988-1989, and 35 people - people driven from other villages of Nagorno-Karabakh, eight people - Ahiska-Turks evicted from Uzbekistan in the Ferghana events, and settled in Azerbaijan. You own a computer and certainly cope with the addition of these figures, but if you find it hard to do it, I'll tell: According to the military prosecutor's office of Azerbaijan, Acne killing 291 people, 99 of whom were not residents of Khojaly. Write Khanlar Veliyev, and along with his direct boss, Prosecutor of Azerbaijan Zakir Garalov, where are the other "dead"? And were they all? I'll be on the other hand hope of Khojaly will be resurrected and your family.
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      ^^^

      typical Azeri filth. Iran + Russia should annex that excuse for a country.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mos View Post
      ^^^

      typical Azeri filth. Iran + Russia should annex that excuse for a country.
      You mean, Armenia, Iran, and Russia. There a chunks of Azeri territory which are historic Armenian lands. Plus we need a land connection with Russia.
      For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
      to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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      Quote Originally Posted by Armanen View Post
      You mean, Armenia, Iran, and Russia. There a chunks of Azeri territory which are historic Armenian lands. Plus we need a land connection with Russia.
      Of course. Naxijevan is our land. Having a border with Russia would solve so many things...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Armanen View Post
      You mean, Armenia, Iran, and Russia. There a chunks of Azeri territory which are historic Armenian lands. Plus we need a land connection with Russia.
      Wayne Merry, a former State Department and Pentagon official:
      He warned further that "it is not out of the question that the existence of an Azeri state could hang in the balance, as in a major renewed war it might be in the combined interests of Armenia, Russia and Iran to redraw the map of the eastern Caucasus. Unlikely, but history is replete with precedents."
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      Georgia's map is redrawn so why not the azeri map..Borders with iran and russia would indeed help armenia greatly and totally cut off the azeris from their big brother in the west.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      Azerbaijani authorities distort reality regarding Khojalu events





      February 24, 2012 | 20:50
      YEREVAN. – Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev has distorted the reality once again and put the whole legal-political responsibility of the Khojalu tragic events to Armenia’s and Nagorno-Karabakh’s authorities, Armenian Parliament Deputy Speaker Edward Sharmazanov said.

      “As Aliyev at that time was in Istanbul to flourish his business and not in the war field, he hardly can be aware of the whole truth in the Khojalu tragic events. The reality is that the Armenian side had to liberate Khojalu to neutralize the military base for the local Armenian population. Armenian side has provided a humanitarian corridor for the city population to leave the city and informed about it beforehand to the then Azerbaijani authorities. Azerbaijani former President Ayaz Mutalibov, shortly after his resignation, said that the corridor was indeed secured by the Armenians for the Azerbaijani peaceful population to leave and ten years after his resignation confirmed his words adding the Khojalu population shootings were organized by [Azerbaijani] powers who want to shift the authority in Azerbaijan.

      Besides, Azerbaijani lawyer Arif Yunusov said that “the city and its population served as deliberate victims for a political goal.” Whereas former head of Azerbaijani Supreme Council Tamerlan Karayev stressed “the tragedy was perpetrated by the Azerbaijani authorities.”

      The aforesaid facts testify that it is Azerbaijani side to be blamed for the death of the Khijalu peaceful population. It has made a monstrous crime against own people due to political intrigues and struggle for authority,” Sharmazanov’s response reads.

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      Let us first look at the accusation that the other side is making. So according to the Azeri side what happened at Khojali was a genocide. First one has to wonder what genocide is, genocide is according to wikipedia "Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". Now the question one must ask themselves did the Armenians attack the village to kill the Azeris there?

      When we look at the importance of the village and the way it was used we can see that this can not be the case. Khojali was used to attack other urban areas in Artsakh. One must not forget that distinction, because not taking Khojali would have meant that Azeri military could have continued the bombing of urban areas and more Armenians would have died.

      When you have an area of such a high military and strategic value one must wonder could the Armenian side have ignored this area? The answer is no, every day that the attack would have been postponed more Armenians would have been killed by shelling.

      Did Azeri population die during the attack? I guess so. However one can not forget that we were fighting a war here and war brings out the worst side of people. Did any Azerbaijani get killed because of their nationality or ethnicity, I don't think so. Were there collateral damage? Yes there was.
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      Quote Originally Posted by KarotheGreat View Post
      Let us first look at the accusation that the other side is making. So according to the Azeri side what happened at Khojali was a genocide. First one has to wonder what genocide is, genocide is according to wikipedia "Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group". Now the question one must ask themselves did the Armenians attack the village to kill the Azeris there?

      When we look at the importance of the village and the way it was used we can see that this can not be the case. Khojali was used to attack other urban areas in Artsakh. One must not forget that distinction, because not taking Khojali would have meant that Azeri military could have continued the bombing of urban areas and more Armenians would have died.

      When you have an area of such a high military and strategic value one must wonder could the Armenian side have ignored this area? The answer is no, every day that the attack would have been postponed more Armenians would have been killed by shelling.

      Did Azeri population die during the attack? I guess so. However one can not forget that we were fighting a war here and war brings out the worst side of people. Did any Azerbaijani get killed because of their nationality or ethnicity, I don't think so. Were there collateral damage? Yes there was.
      Of course there was collateral damage. Khojaly was a strategic point near an airport, and it was justified to take control of it even with the collateral damage. Azeri side depicts that we went deliberately and massacred innocent civilians which is biased garbage. They fail to look at themselves and how they were responsible for the deaths of their own civilians. Azeris needed such a fabricated event in order to justify a coup in their country - and they got it.

      What is deliberate killing is the Grad attacks on Stepanakert, specifically targeting civilian houses and obviously the pogroms in Baku. If we had wanted to do deliberate civilian killings we would have just purified Karabakh and the buffer zone of any Azeris from the start. There would be no Azeri "refugee problem" and probably Azeris would shut their mouth and agree to full independence.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mos View Post
      Of course there was collateral damage. Khojaly was a strategic point near an airport, and it was justified to take control of it even with the collateral damage. Azeri side depicts that we went deliberately and massacred innocent civilians which is biased garbage. They fail to look at themselves and how they were responsible for the deaths of their own civilians. Azeris needed such a fabricated event in order to justify a coup in their country - and they got it.

      What is deliberate killing is the Grad attacks on Stepanakert, specifically targeting civilian houses and obviously the pogroms in Baku. If we had wanted to do deliberate civilian killings we would have just purified Karabakh and the buffer zone of any Azeris from the start. There would be no Azeri "refugee problem" and probably Azeris would shut their mouth and agree to full independence.
      I agree, and someones I wonder whether or not it would have been better for Armenians to have killed more Azeri civilians who now live like animals in make shift shelters, and which the azeri regime uses as a tool to keep the hatred of Armenians alive.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Armanen View Post
      I agree, and someones I wonder whether or not it would have been better for Armenians to have killed more Azeri civilians who now live like animals in make shift shelters, and which the azeri regime uses as a tool to keep the hatred of Armenians alive.
      If I was the commander during the war, I would have been more heavy handed. These animals breed and multiply like mice. And obviously, they are a perfect propaganda tool. They will teach their children the same propaganda and those children may be sent to attack Artsakh with "martyr" like thinking.

      Don't forget what Azeris did during the early 1900s against Armenians. They only understand brute force and violence - it's part of their Turkic or Mongolic identity - think Genghis Khan. Showing compassion to them, they will just use the opportunity to stab you in the back later on. We can't be naive. We need to learn from our past.
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      azeris claim khojaly was just a regular city with innocent civilians and they were killed in retaliation for Sumgait pogroms. In reality the city was being used to bombard Stepanakert and other cities. Armenia announced they would be attacking the city and would leave a corridor open for the civilians to leave, this was acknowledged by then president Mutalibov and other govt officials. Armenian soldiers, involved with the attack, said they had the city surrounded so how were the bodies found outside of khojaly? That is what is frustrating that they cant explain that and they dont mention the above when crying about this so called Armenian committed massacre. Then if you look at that girl who wrote the letter, how is she still alive? Her mother was 9 months pregnant with her so how was she able to run away from the Armenian soldiers if they wanted to kill everyone in the city? By releasing that letter they basically proved Armenia right. They also can't explain why the bodies were mutilated while under azeri control.

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      It's a fabrication and set up by Azerbaijan out of desperation, to make a propaganda piece against us, but also it was crucial in getting Aliyev's coup. It was a political ploy.
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      How the hell does the Khojaly Event get mentioned on front page of wikipedia?? This is disgraceful, be on a lookout for media coverage on Khojaly and please post anything you find that is noteworthy.

      http://news.az/articles/politics/55331

      http://news.az/articles/politics/55353
      Last edited by Mos; 02-24-2012 at 09:24 PM.
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