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      Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Quote Originally Posted by Artashes View Post
      I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion of my posts ?
      I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of life in Hayastan.
      The point of my posts is the west is not a role model for Hayastan to copy or pursue. Nothing more.
      On the role model, brother, I agree with you 100%.
      But something very dangerous is hanging over Hayastan.
      It's perpetuated by ourselfs.
      Maybe we have to learn to separate the rest of the world from us and Armenia so we could see it all.
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      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Quote Originally Posted by Hakob View Post
      On the role model, brother, I agree with you 100%.
      But something very dangerous is hanging over Hayastan.
      It's perpetuated by ourselfs.
      Maybe we have to learn to separate the rest of the world from us and Armenia so we could see it all.
      Yeh that something dangerous is 200 million turks. The only thing we perpetuate is division. No we cannot and should not lose sight of the context in which Armenia exists. The thing that bothers me is that both diasporans and teghatsis so easily dismiss the biggest risks facing the country while they theorize grand schemes of revolution and what not. If you throw out the Russian backed government, what do you expect will replace it? Do you really think the replacement will be doing what is best for Armenian society? Do you think our enemies are just going to stand by and watch our revolution without interfering? I am not against replacing this government nor doing it via revolution, I am against doing any of these things without having a solid and workable plan that is likely to succeed and has some contingencies for outside interference. You guys remember the inexplicable assassination of that family in Gyumri? Have you tied it yet with the assassinations of Russian diplomats yet? How about the downing of passenger plains? My point is we cannot (unfortunately or not) separate what is going on in Hayastan from what is going on in the region, if you did you would see less and not "see it all".
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Haykakan View Post
      Yeh that something dangerous is 200 million turks. The only thing we perpetuate is division. No we cannot and should not lose sight of the context in which Armenia exists. The thing that bothers me is that both diasporans and teghatsis so easily dismiss the biggest risks facing the country while they theorize grand schemes of revolution and what not. If you throw out the Russian backed government, what do you expect will replace it? Do you really think the replacement will be doing what is best for Armenian society? Do you think our enemies are just going to stand by and watch our revolution without interfering? I am not against replacing this government nor doing it via revolution, I am against doing any of these things without having a solid and workable plan that is likely to succeed and has some contingencies for outside interference. You guys remember the inexplicable assassination of that family in Gyumri? Have you tied it yet with the assassinations of Russian diplomats yet? How about the downing of passenger plains? My point is we cannot (unfortunately or not) separate what is going on in Hayastan from what is going on in the region, if you did you would see less and not "see it all".
      I agree with you revolutions will end in a blood bath look at the Syrian conflict, look what happened, we Armenians can't replace the party but right now the republican party is our best bet in 2017-2021 other parties are not good enough and choosing Prosperous Armenia will be a death wish to our people and economy and the Armenian National Congress is almost worse than Prosperous Armenia. Despite that the Parliamentary Elections will give a chance for other smaller and better parties that will have will have better relevance in the future. But which one is a great party?

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      Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Quote Originally Posted by Haykakan View Post
      Yeh that something dangerous is 200 million turks. The only thing we perpetuate is division. No we cannot and should not lose sight of the context in which Armenia exists. The thing that bothers me is that both diasporans and teghatsis so easily dismiss the biggest risks facing the country while they theorize grand schemes of revolution and what not. If you throw out the Russian backed government, what do you expect will replace it? Do you really think the replacement will be doing what is best for Armenian society? Do you think our enemies are just going to stand by and watch our revolution without interfering? I am not against replacing this government nor doing it via revolution, I am against doing any of these things without having a solid and workable plan that is likely to succeed and has some contingencies for outside interference. You guys remember the inexplicable assassination of that family in Gyumri? Have you tied it yet with the assassinations of Russian diplomats yet? How about the downing of passenger plains? My point is we cannot (unfortunately or not) separate what is going on in Hayastan from what is going on in the region, if you did you would see less and not "see it all".

      You are talking geopolitics, I am talking national conscience and ideology.
      What I say is not about isolationism, but about better understanding between sections of our nation and seing and rooting out problems, like corruption.
      I am not advocating revolution per say. It should be be beyond last resort. And I agree your point that it is a very dangerous event.
      But I worry that current rulers or offshoots can stay in power for a long time and damage country beyond return.
      Sometimes just the threat of revolution can bring much needed changes. Like Sasna Tsrer ( however despised by some they are). All the changes that our government promised started after two events last year.
      The question about what kind of government can replace is nationalist democratic.
      One that has clear national agenda, not just "we won't give back land".
      Vazgen Sargsian was going that way before assasination. He had started tougher controls over oligarkhs but maybe because of that was assasinated.
      However skeptical, there are honest people and nukes in Armenia that are good enough. Better than this Soviet left over burocrats.
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