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      Quote Originally Posted by Haykakan View Post
      My problem is not with Democracy but with the notion that Democracy is inherently a good thing and the best option. Democracy is just another form of government and it has its strengths and weaknesses when compared to the other forms. The long history of corruption and wars sets this form apart from the others. There is plenty of evidence that democracy can work and plenty of evidence that it fails miserably. My point is advocating democracy as the best option or as a cure for a country's ills is misguided and usually wrong as the problems facing a country usually have nothing to do with the form of government. Time and context need to be considered when analyzing democracy in today's environment. USA today is using democracy to take over other countries. It is taking advantage of how easy it is to corrupt people and to sway people in the modern era(due to technology and mass media). Democracy provides the ideal platform as the will of the brainwashed will prevail. I would have no problem with any of the forms of government for Armenia so long as the government's motive was improving the lives of the people in that country and strengthening it. I do not rule out the possibility of a successful democracy in Armenia but I am wary of these color revolutions and their track record of democracy being used to destroy countries. I think most people (including you) see democracy as the only good alternative but that is not the case. The form of government is not that important. The motives of those doing the governing are very important!
      Agree 100%.
      So comes my observation that today's rulers in Armenia are a club of shady characters who just continue practices of fake elections or armwressle or even in last election the practice of self survivalist beurocratism. Just like in soviet times.
      You can say the same is true for west, yes, but given our geopolitical situation and conditions, Armenia cannot afford this.
      I thought we had a national "tad", a vision that prompted historic sacrifices and events from Tehlieryan to Yanikian, from Asala to Lisbon, from Mkhitar sbarabed to all the 17th, 18, 19Th 20th centuries struggles to 1988 to Artsakh independence.
      All those sacrifices. West, or most of other nations don't have to end up like this kind of corruption.
      All this history and you got lfic samo, nemets, lady hagop, dody Gago, or many other nicknamed characters that behave by soviet era "law of thiefs" owning your country and stealing $6bln+ and ongoing,from your people.
      We did not come this much so public in Armenia would behave like it is still Brezhnev era.
      I don't care, democracy or anything else, but this circle has to break.
      This nation has to realize that dying for independence is done, over.
      Now is time to fight for what Armenia must be like.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hakob View Post
      Agree 100%.
      So comes my observation that today's rulers in Armenia are a club of shady characters who just continue practices of fake elections or armwressle or even in last election the practice of self survivalist beurocratism. Just like in soviet times.
      You can say the same is true for west, yes, but given our geopolitical situation and conditions, Armenia cannot afford this.
      I thought we had a national "tad", a vision that prompted historic sacrifices and events from Tehlieryan to Yanikian, from Asala to Lisbon, from Mkhitar sbarabed to all the 17th, 18, 19Th 20th centuries struggles to 1988 to Artsakh independence.
      All those sacrifices. West, or most of other nations don't have to end up like this kind of corruption.
      All this history and you got lfic samo, nemets, lady hagop, dody Gago, or many other nicknamed characters that behave by soviet era "law of thiefs" owning your country and stealing $6bln+ and ongoing,from your people.
      We did not come this much so public in Armenia would behave like it is still Brezhnev era.
      I don't care, democracy or anything else, but this circle has to break.
      This nation has to realize that dying for independence is done, over.
      Now is time to fight for what Armenia must be like.
      Your use of the soviet legacy as a scapegoat is misguided and way too convenient of an excuse. While you mentioned the sacrifices some Armenians made , you fail to take into account all the bad things so many Armenians did to. You know those bad guys you mentioned are Armenians to. Greed is hardly a exclusive soviet legacy. You also fail to consider the many positive attributes of soviet legacy for Armenia and her people. Our history is full of our own backstabbers. You can use scapegoats all you want but running from reality never works out well.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      Ultimately, those "characters" who control everything reflect our society as a whole. we deserve our leaders. Thats why the recent 10 years of failed governance has made me think we are not ready to be independent country. Look at our neighbour to the north, injust a decade they managed to decimate corruption. Their police is respected again. Investment is flowing in. Do we have less brain cells than georgians? i highly doubt that. As long as these "characters" are linked to russia, corruption will continue,and no body will want to invest in armenia.

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      Re: Politics in Hayastan

      Quote Originally Posted by arakeretzig View Post
      Ultimately, those "characters" who control everything reflect our society as a whole. we deserve our leaders. Thats why the recent 10 years of failed governance has made me think we are not ready to be independent country. Look at our neighbour to the north, injust a decade they managed to decimate corruption. Their police is respected again. Investment is flowing in. Do we have less brain cells than georgians? i highly doubt that. As long as these "characters" are linked to russia, corruption will continue,and no body will want to invest in armenia.
      You forget they also lost lands and are now under Turkish/azeri influence. In contrast Armenia still retains Kharabagh and is getting more foreign investments pouring in as well. I do not think you are seeing a clear image of the situation. Armenia has been and continues to make progress in respect to corruption. Armenia has managed to see progress without going to war and without losing territories, how is this worst then Georgia?
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      Quote Originally Posted by arakeretzig View Post
      Ultimately, those "characters" who control everything reflect our society as a whole. we deserve our leaders. Thats why the recent 10 years of failed governance has made me think we are not ready to be independent country. Look at our neighbour to the north, injust a decade they managed to decimate corruption. Their police is respected again. Investment is flowing in. Do we have less brain cells than georgians? i highly doubt that. As long as these "characters" are linked to russia, corruption will continue,and no body will want to invest in armenia.
      I think a large part of it has to do with the Georgians having no diaspora to escape to, and being forced to stay in Georgia and fight, must like the Ukrainians did.

      Armenians had large diasporas around the world they could run to for economic opportunities. The USA, Canada, Latin America, and even Russia were all established areas Armenians could run to. The Georgians didn't have that luxury. When you look at our two peoples, you can tell that the Armenians are by far fairing as an ethnic group better than the Georgians or the Azeris, but that is because we are afforded more opportunity in bigger lands.

      But the Georgians, to get access to the US and the EU, they have no diaspora backing them. They need to do it on their own. They don't have Russia to run to since relations are so bad.

      My point is, a lot of Armenians who could have and should have stood up to these scumbags in Armenia are all gone or planning on leaving. There is an avenue to improve themselves that has nothing to do with politics, which is emigrating to another country. That leaves the countries tugs unopposed to pillage the country.

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