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      Quote Originally Posted by DieHard69 View Post
      Sargsyan is desperate for power in my point of view, should this be in the military thread?

      https://news.am/eng/news/389394.html

      Anyways what do we do to Vrej's lair that is Anti Russian propaganda thread mostly posted by him? we shouldn't go full Anti Russian just like the Georgians and Ukrainians did.

      The sad thing is Sargsian and HHK are doing this power building not because they are really being threatened by any opposition. The elections of Yerevan, any elections are decided for them for any near future indeed.
      This is all done because there is no way they don't see that the country is heading to a socioeconomic catastrophe. The result of their past, present and future governance and system.
      Serj knows that internal and external threats are only going to get much bigger.
      It has been 6 months since stating a new PM. Most of the reforms look more and more small restructurings that are very weak and based only on some economic management issues, since the parliamentary elections showed that power basis and wealth management is not going to change.
      With new PM it's like filing for restructuring without changing the bord of directors, corporate policies and middle management.
      Mostly trying to cut some departments and trying to bring new investment. The whole top is rotten.
      So time will run out soon or later. Need to guarantee power strength against any new upraisings and against any pressures that may come from outside.
      Does it matter that all this only strengthens authoritarianism?
      How many steps is between that and dictatorship?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hakob View Post
      The sad thing is Sargsian and HHK are doing this power building not because they are really being threatened by any opposition. The elections of Yerevan, any elections are decided for them for any near future indeed.
      This is all done because there is no way they don't see that the country is heading to a socioeconomic catastrophe. The result of their past, present and future governance and system.
      Serj knows that internal and external threats are only going to get much bigger.
      It has been 6 months since stating a new PM. Most of the reforms look more and more small restructurings that are very weak and based only on some economic management issues, since the parliamentary elections showed that power basis and wealth management is not going to change.
      With new PM it's like filing for restructuring without changing the bord of directors, corporate policies and middle management.
      Mostly trying to cut some departments and trying to bring new investment. The whole top is rotten.
      So time will run out soon or later. Need to guarantee power strength against any new upraisings and against any pressures that may come from outside.
      Does it matter that all this only strengthens authoritarianism?
      How many steps is between that and dictatorship?
      Indeed, but do not loose hope as you stated hakob, Sargysian knows the problems he has caused and him in the office will get worse and worse every year, a few changes can do so much untill people get sick and tired of him and his party the parliamentary system has done little indeed, but they still lost power and popularity of our people and has given some decent hope, call me Pro Yelk but they still are the best of the best party even if they don't look like they concentrate much on the people, so what next leader do you think is going to lead for the next term or two?

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      Can some of you guys go into a little bit of information about this guy? As much as I heard he is the minister of education and in the 2015 protests, protester's said out loud Sktir Ashotyan which doesn't sound good. I am going to be much more active on this thread rather than the military thread.

      http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/...prime_minister

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      Although this is an election campaign speech there are some interesting tidbits about the career of Yerevan Mayor Daron Markaryan.
      Among them, he was appointed by his father ( prime minister at the time ) as mayor of Avan District as a BIRTHDAY PRESENT.
      Very educational how rotten the system is.

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      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      Quote Originally Posted by londontsi View Post


      Although this is an election campaign speech there are some interesting tidbits about the career of Yerevan Mayor Daron Markaryan.
      Among them, he was appointed by his father ( prime minister at the time ) as mayor of Avan District as a BIRTHDAY PRESENT.
      Very educational how rotten the system is.

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      I am reading in the news that today Pashinian went to public tv station for a debate with Taron. Taron did not show up.
      He got nothing to debate about. All his past as a mayor is of continuos corruption story. His involvement in transportation scam (his business), shady spendings and kickback laden projects. His multimillion dollar mansion etc...
      What has he to talk or debate about?
      But...
      He is going to win next term. All of HHK fraud machine is behind him.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DieHard69 View Post
      Can some of you guys go into a little bit of information about this guy? As much as I heard he is the minister of education and in the 2015 protests, protester's said out loud Sktir Ashotyan which doesn't sound good. I am going to be much more active on this thread rather than the military thread.

      http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/...prime_minister
      The file does not open. But so can say it
      Ashotyan was brought from obscurity by Serj Sargsian and made minister of education for several years.
      An intellectual mediocre and corrupt to bones.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DieHard69 View Post
      Indeed, but do not loose hope as you stated hakob, Sargysian knows the problems he has caused and him in the office will get worse and worse every year, a few changes can do so much untill people get sick and tired of him and his party the parliamentary system has done little indeed, but they still lost power and popularity of our people and has given some decent hope, call me Pro Yelk but they still are the best of the best party even if they don't look like they concentrate much on the people, so what next leader do you think is going to lead for the next term or two?
      Nobody can loose hope Diehard. If hope is lost, then that is the end.
      At this moment I wish for any group or party, be it ELQ or Ergir Tsirani or anybody to shake up power grip of HHK.
      We need a harsh power shake up.
      Otherwise things will get very ugly.
      As much as Serj and HHK refine (or think they do) their position, they only shorten their rope.
      However much "General Manvel" will organize a submissive Egrabah union, trying to keep war veterans under check and away from political uprisings, things will break down one day. As much as HHK gathers absolute power in hands, so much it puts itself against the wall.
      We are talking about people who shook down the soviet system that NATO could not do nothing about.
      Our people are very resolute and will not be affraid to come out and squash the rulers.
      Don't worry, there will not be a Kiev Maidan in Yerevan. As far as I know the foreign influence is cut now. There is a healthy mass out there who finally have cut western tentacles in Armenia.
      It will be a house affair. A quick resolution.
      HHK cannot stop the veterans. Turks and Russians could not.
      But... I rather see Serjik figure out when the moment comes that it's time to pack up and dissapear like Siradeghian did.
      Otherwise he'll end up like Chaushesku...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hakob View Post
      The file does not open. But so can say it
      Ashotyan was brought from obscurity by Serj Sargsian and made minister of education for several years.
      An intellectual mediocre and corrupt to bones.
      Talks are that he is being pushed to the front with vigen sargsyan to counterbalance the growing popularity of karapetyan.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hakob View Post
      Nobody can loose hope Diehard. If hope is lost, then that is the end.
      At this moment I wish for any group or party, be it ELQ or Ergir Tsirani or anybody to shake up power grip of HHK.
      We need a harsh power shake up.
      Otherwise things will get very ugly.
      As much as Serj and HHK refine (or think they do) their position, they only shorten their rope.
      However much "General Manvel" will organize a submissive Egrabah union, trying to keep war veterans under check and away from political uprisings, things will break down one day. As much as HHK gathers absolute power in hands, so much it puts itself against the wall.
      We are talking about people who shook down the soviet system that NATO could not do nothing about.
      Our people are very resolute and will not be affraid to come out and squash the rulers.
      Don't worry, there will not be a Kiev Maidan in Yerevan. As far as I know the foreign influence is cut now. There is a healthy mass out there who finally have cut western tentacles in Armenia.
      It will be a house affair. A quick resolution.
      HHK cannot stop the veterans. Turks and Russians could not.
      But... I rather see Serjik figure out when the moment comes that it's time to pack up and dissapear like Siradeghian did.
      Otherwise he'll end up like Chaushesku...
      Ok and then what? Lets say there is a successful revolt and these unkushts are taken out. Who will replace them? How can we be assured the new rulers are not like the old ones? People forget that things can and do get worst. Remember how great leaving the soviet union sounded? It has been 30 years almost and Armenia's citizens quality of life is far below what it was then (for the few that didn't leave). Remember all the hopes and promises when we revolted against CCCP? What makes you think a revolution now will be any less damaging and disappointing? And all of this with the naïve assumption that during this stage no foreign power will interfere and the war will not resume. The point I am making is these revolutions hardly ever go well and usually leave the people far worst off. I think there is a much better solution. We are not going to end corruption, it is not going to happen. What we can do is hold at least the worst of them to account. Those members who get too greedy and neglect their duties to govern, should get a bullet in the head. This will keep the rest on their toes and force them to be less corrupt and more responsible. Forming professional hit squads/sniper teams along with a good target selection process (selecting people so corrupt that the people will cheer their deaths) can quickly bring much needed changes. This assassination scheme can work if done right. Should one sniper get apprehended, another well trained sniper will take his place and in the beginning may result in the acquittal of the original one as authorities will think they got the wrong man. By now it should be obvious to all that legal forms of holding the government accountable are nothing but a joke not only in Armenia but also in well established democracies around the world. This method is cheap and relatively easy to implement. It also saves the country from a full blown revolution and its disastrous consequences. The chance of foreign governments influencing this process is far less. This style of enforcement compromises nothing on the national level while instilling primal fear into the most corrupted of hearts. The entire security apparatus is designed to stop revolts, not much can stop assassins. You want effective change without the possibility of disastrous consequences then do this.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      I don't think that public is leaning towards revolutions. For that to happen you must have an ideological basis.
      I think more of large and unending social unrests, large scale civil disobedience and maybe even, you're right, killings.
      I don't think any group will go for Pavlik's Sasna Tsrer type "French Rvolutionaire" barricading or Bastille charge.
      Government has got a too strong security forces.
      Maybe like you say, assasinations, South American type secret vigilante groups etc.
      I don't know, what exactly can happen or what is the solution.
      I don't think people know what to do.
      But the fact that things are heading to catastrophe is visible.
      Thiscannot continue for very long.
      There could be public demonstrations so large and non stopping that government splits, resignations and arrests of some officials or the government, forced new elections etc...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hakob View Post
      I don't think that public is leaning towards revolutions. For that to happen you must have an ideological basis.
      I think more of large and unending social unrests, large scale civil disobedience and maybe even, you're right, killings.
      I don't think any group will go for Pavlik's Sasna Tsrer type "French Rvolutionaire" barricading or Bastille charge.
      Government has got a too strong security forces.
      Maybe like you say, assasinations, South American type secret vigilante groups etc.
      I don't know, what exactly can happen or what is the solution.
      I don't think people know what to do.
      But the fact that things are heading to catastrophe is visible.
      Thiscannot continue for very long.
      There could be public demonstrations so large and non stopping that government splits, resignations and arrests of some officials or the government, forced new elections etc...
      That is what I hope for Armenia to end up Hakob, just like the Gambia their leader took all of his cash and disappeared same goes with the Tunisian government after the Arab spring revolts, I hope it will be enough for serjik or any of those oligarchs to disappear with there money so we can at least get a decent government going or worst case scenario Tsarukyan takes over. Revolting is a terrible ass idea, one person made a video on youtube call, The Rule for Rulers, great video about power and why revolutions won't work until the inner government wants you out of your office, a good example is Thomas Sankara, although he was criticized by his human rights violation and state controlled press, he was one of the best dictators for his time and turned Upper Volta to Burkina Faso, but was overthrown, the country required little aid before the good dictator until Blaise Compaoré took power and turned the country to other African nations today, a total shiithole, the inner government was most likely dissatisfied with all the good crap going too much for the people instead of. Them.

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      New elections will just bring hungrier crooks. Instill fear and force responsible governance and you will be surprised at the results. Those that can do nothing but be corrupt will be eliminated either by assassination or will leave government out of fear. The corrupt will not want to come near government and the replacements will be responsible people who want to govern instead of steal. The biggest issue would be to make sure you only take out the really bad ones that are hurting our people the most. Once there is a strict system of accountability forced upon those who govern, you will see great government.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Haykakan View Post
      New elections will just bring hungrier crooks. Instill fear and force responsible governance and you will be surprised at the results. Those that can do nothing but be corrupt will be eliminated either by assassination or will leave government out of fear. The corrupt will not want to come near government and the replacements will be responsible people who want to govern instead of steal. The biggest issue would be to make sure you only take out the really bad ones that are hurting our people the most. Once there is a strict system of accountability forced upon those who govern, you will see great government.
      So what are you tryin to say, get Assassins and eliminate the most corrupt oligarchs, then what? Get the country to go under martial law?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zeytun View Post
      There you go. The money....
      They pay for votes in HHK centers. You guys have to understand for a family of 3 voters it will be 30-50000 drams. One month of pension.
      The results are out. HHK got 70% vote. In all the voting stations there were unofficial standing overlookers who not being in voting volunteers were city or district officials. From chiefs to clerks. All working for HHK party doing the voter checking.
      People have to understand that now all government stuff, city district officials, ministry stuffs, any official is a HHK member or working for HHK.
      No communist legacy? My ass...
      just like then, anybody in government was communist.
      It's like in US every city, federal, county official either being Republican like xxxxx or working under their controll in elections and in anything.
      Serj and HHK have turned "democratic" voting system to communist type closed circuit machine at core.
      They succeeded in shorting and mocking public election institutions.
      We are not talking just about fake or lying candidates like in US, where you have a choice to vote against.
      We are talking a communism like machine that has taken control over your voting and elections.
      All the judicial sustem, law enforcement system works for HHK and protecting HHK.
      It's been thousands of court cases of cyvil, corporate, constitutional, financial cases in past 5-8 years where in all of them HHK party or member insterests are only protected or given relief or dismissal.
      This is exact continuation of communist system but under capitalist and democratic umbrella.
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