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      Egypt to Acknowledge Armenian Genocide


      Anyone know anything about this or have anything to confirm it?
      This single article is getting posted is multiple places, but I I can't find anything to support its claims
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      From the new president's alleged Twitter account itself: https://twitter.com/Adly_Mansour/sta...93120847724544 Raymond Ibrahim translated it to English.
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      Egypt is descending into anarchy and the death cultist are increasingly attacking Copts.

      Islamist mob targets Christians in Egypt

      Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

      In the four days since security forces cleared two sit-in camps by supporters of Egypt’s ousted president, Islamists have attacked dozens of Coptic churches along with homes and businesses owned by the Christian minority. The campaign of intimidation appears to be a warning to Christians outside Cairo to stand down from political activism.

      Christians have long suffered from discrimination and violence in Muslim majority Egypt, where they make up 10 percent of the population of 90 million. Attacks increased after the Islamists rose to power in the wake of the 2011 Arab Spring uprising that drove Hosni Mubarak from power, emboldening extremists. But Christians have come further under fire since President Mohammed Morsi was ousted on July 3, sparking a wave of Islamist anger led by Mr Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood.

      Nearly 40 churches have been looted and torched, while 23 others have been attacked and heavily damaged since Wednesday, when chaos erupted after Egypt’s military-backed interim administration moved in to clear two camps packed with protesters calling for Mr Morsi’s reinstatement, killing scores of protesters and sparking deadly clashes nationwide.

      One of the world’s oldest Christian communities has generally kept a low-profile, but has become more politically active since Mr Mubarak was ousted and Christians sought to ensure fair treatment in the aftermath.

      Many Morsi supporters say Christians played a disproportionately large role in the days of mass rallies, with millions demanding that he step down ahead of the coup.

      Despite the violence, Egypt’s Coptic Christian church renewed its commitment to the new political order on Friday, saying in a statement that it stood by the army and the police in their fight against “the armed violent groups and black terrorism”.

      While the Christians of Egypt have endured attacks by extremists, they have drawn closer to moderate Muslims in some places, in a rare show of solidarity.

      Hundreds from both communities thronged two monasteries in the province of Bani Suef south of Cairo to thwart what they had expected to be imminent attacks on Saturday, local activist Girgis Waheeb said. Activists reported similar examples elsewhere in regions south of Cairo, but not enough to provide effective protection of churches and monasteries.

      Mr Waheeb, other activists and victims of the latest wave of attacks blame the police as much as hard-line Islamists for what happened. The attacks, they said, coincided with assaults on police stations in provinces like Bani Suef and Minya, leaving most police pinned down to defend their stations or reinforcing others rather than rushing to the rescue of Christians under attack.

      Another Christian activist, Ezzat Ibrahim of Minya, a province also south of Cairo where Christians make up around 35 percent of the population, said police have melted away from seven of the region’s nine districts, leaving the extremists to act with near impunity.

      Two Christians have been killed since Wednesday, including a taxi driver who strayed into a protest by Morsi supporters in Alexandria and another man who was shot to death by Islamists in the southern province of Sohag, according to security officials.

      The attacks served as a reminder that Islamists, while on the defensive in Cairo, maintain influence and the ability to stage violence in provincial strongholds with a large minority of Christians.

      Gamaa Islamiya, the hard-line Islamist group that wields considerable influence in provinces south of Cairo, denied any link to the attacks. The Muslim Brotherhood, which has led the defiant protest against Morsi’s ouster, has condemned the attacks, spokesman Mourad Ali said.

      Sister Manal is the principal of the Franciscan school in Bani Suef. She was having breakfast with two visiting nuns when news broke of the clearance of the two sit-in camps by police, killing hundreds. In an ordeal that lasted about six hours, she, sisters Abeer and Demiana and a handful of school employees saw a mob break into the school through the wall and windows, loot its contents, knock off the cross on the street gate and replace it with a black banner resembling the flag of al Qaida.

      By the time the Islamists ordered them out, fire was raging at every corner of the 115-year-old main building and two recent additions. Money saved for a new school was gone, said Miss Manal, and every computer, projector, desk and chair was hauled away. Frantic SOS calls to the police, including senior officers with children at the school, produced promises of quick response but no one came.

      The Islamists gave her just enough time to grab some clothes.

      In an hour-long telephone interview with The Associated Press, Miss Manal, 47, recounted her ordeal while trapped at the school with others as the fire raged in the ground floor and a battle between police and Islamists went on out on the street. At times she was overwhelmed by the toxic fumes from the fire in the library or the whiffs of tears gas used by the police outside.

      Sister Manal recalled being told a week earlier by the policeman father of one pupil that her school was targeted by hard-line Islamists convinced that it was giving an inappropriate education to Muslim children. She paid no attention, comfortable in the belief that a school that had an equal number of Muslim and Christian pupils could not be targeted by Muslim extremists. She was wrong.

      The school has a high-profile location. It is across the road from the main railway station and adjacent to a busy bus terminal that in recent weeks attracted a large number of Islamists headed to Cairo to join the larger of two sit-in camps by Morsi’s supporters. The area of the school is also in one of Bani Suef’s main bastions of Islamists from Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood and ultraconservative Salafis.

      “We are nuns. We rely on God and the angels to protect us,” she said. “At the end, they paraded us like prisoners of war and hurled abuse at us as they led us from one alley to another without telling us where they were taking us,” she said. A Muslim woman who once taught at the school spotted Miss Manal and the two other nuns as they walked past her home, attracting a crowd of curious onlookers.

      “I remembered her, her name is Saadiyah. She offered to take us in and said she can protect us since her son-in-law was a policeman. We accepted her offer,” she said. Two Christian women employed by the school, siblings Wardah and Bedour, had to fight their way out of the mob, while groped, hit and insulted by the extremists. “I looked at that and it was very nasty,” said Miss Manal.

      The incident at the Franciscan school was repeated at Minya where a Catholic school was razed to the ground by an arson attack and a Christian orphanage was also torched.

      “I am terrified and unable to focus,” said Boulos Fahmy, the pastor of a Catholic church a short distance away from Miss Manal’s school. “I am expecting an attack on my church any time now,” he said.

      Bishoy Alfons Naguib, a 33-year-old businessman from Minya, has a similarly harrowing story.

      His home supplies store on a main commercial street in the provincial capital, also called Minya, was torched this week and the flames consumed everything inside.

      “A neighbour called me and said the store was on fire. When I arrived, three extremists with knifes approached me menacingly when they realized I was the owner,” recounted Mr Naguib. His father and brother pleaded with the men to spare him. Luckily, he said, someone shouted that a Christian boy was filming the proceedings using his cell phone, so the crowd rushed toward the boy shouting “Nusrani, Nusrani,” the Koranic word for Christians which has become a derogatory way of referring to them in today’s Egypt.

      Mr Naguib ran up a nearby building where he has an apartment and locked himself in. After waiting there for a while, he left the apartment, ran up to the roof and jumped to the next door building, then exited at a safe distance from the crowd.

      “On our Mustafa Fahmy street, the Islamists had earlier painted a red X on Muslim stores and a black X on Christian stores,” he said. “You can be sure that the ones with a red X are intact.”

      In Fayoum, an oasis province southwest of Cairo, Islamists looted and torched five churches, according to Bishop Ibram, the local head of the Coptic Orthodox church, by far the largest of Egypt’s Christian denominations. He said he had instructed Christians and clerics alike not to try to resist the mobs of Islamists, fearing any loss of life.

      “The looters were so diligent that they came back to one of the five churches they had ransacked to see if they can get more,” he told the AP. “They were loading our chairs and benches on trucks and when they had no space for more, they destroyed them.”


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      I don't think it will happen but it's kinda surprising and significant that an Arab/Muslim state has "threatened" to recognize the genocide. I don't think that's happened before. I do remember the Algerian president telling Erdogan to shut up after he kept invoking French imperialism in Algeria as a response to (I think) France's genocide denial criminalization bill but that's not the same thing. Obviously these "threats" happen much more on an individual level, like when the Yugoslav filmmaker Emir Kusturica (who denies or at least downplays the Srebrenica massacre) told the Turks to recognize the Armenian Genocide before launching a smear campaign against him. I thought most of these people had moved on to using Turkey's treatment of Kurds as their stock "look how awful Turks are" proclamation but I suppose the Armenian genocide is making a comeback?

      Anyway, I've already read commentary on how this is all part of an Armenian-Coptic-Zionist conspiracy.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mher View Post

      From Mher's link
      The Egyptian Interim President does not have a Twitter account.
      Story that Egypt will recognize Armenian Genocide is not true.
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      Aug 21 2013

      Haykaram Nahapetyan

      Adly Mansour, Egypt's interim president, tweeted on Saturday,
      "Egypt decided to sign onto the international document recognizing
      the Armenian Genocide." Raymond Ibrahim, a prominent Middle East and
      Islam expert reported about this on his personal web page.

      He tweeted in Arabic, "Our representatives at the UN will sign the
      international document that acknowledges the Armenian Genocide,
      which was committed by the Turkish military, leading to the deaths
      of one million."

      Many Turkish human rights activists and intellectuals - including
      the writer and Nobel Prize winner Orhan Pamuk - recognize the
      Ottoman-Turkish genocide of the Armenians in 1915. But the government
      of Turkey continues to deny it; recognition of the Armenian genocide
      difficult for Ankara officials.

      If Cairo accomplishes what Adly Mansour allegedly has tweeted about,
      Egypt will become the first country on the African continent and the
      second predominantly Muslim state, after Lebanon, to condemn the
      Armenian genocide. At this point, about 20 countries have adopted
      decisions labeling the organized massacres of the Armenian people as
      genocide, including Switzerland, France, Germany, Canada, Slovakia,
      and others.

      Ibrahim said that Cairo's leaders were angry at Turkey for dooming
      the interim authorities for recent violations. On Monday, Ankara even
      moved further by criticizing the Organization of Islamic Cooperation
      (OIC) and the group's Secretary-General for not taking an active
      stance against Egypt, The Associated Press reported. The Turkish
      citizenship of the OIC's secretary general didn't stop Ankara's deputy
      Prime Minister Bekir xxxdag from calling for his resignation. Irbahim
      qualifies the tweet as a response to Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan's
      recent condemnation of Egypt. Erdogan even used the g-word, saying
      the Egyptian forces committed genocide against its own people. The
      two countries withdrew their Ambassadors respectively from Ankara
      and Cairo.

      According to Levent Gumrukcu, the spokesperson for the Turkish Foreign
      Ministry, Turkey's diplomatic channels found no evidence that the
      above-mentioned tweet was authentic. On Monday, Egypt's mission to the
      United Nations in New York City confirmed in telephone conversation
      that the Twitter account in reality didn't belong to Mansour. Nabil
      Fahmy, Egypt's Foreign Minister, said, "As far as I know, Egypt did not
      sign anything in the UN over the past two days." He also described the
      Turkish stance toward Egypt as "unacceptable". According to the State
      Information Service in Cairo, "The decision to scrap the planned naval
      exercise with Turkey was made in protest at the unacceptable Turkish
      statements and a clear interference in Egypt's domestic affairs."

      In social media, both Armenians and Turks extensively reacted to the
      latest news. Some Turkish users on timeturk.com claimed, "Mansour is
      Christian," similar to the Muslim Brotherhood's statements regarding
      the Christian affiliation of the interim leader. Turkish users saw his
      religious profile as something, which shouldn't make the recognition
      of the Armenian genocide in current day Cairo unexpected.

      In Armenia, Gevorg Altunyan, the director of First Channel's news
      service, referred to these developments on his Facebook page.

      "Although Cairo rejects the genocide recognition rumors at this point,
      the importance of possible acknowledgement of the Armenian Genocide by
      a predominantly Muslim country shouldn't certainly be underestimated.

      And it doesn't really matter what is the reason behind recognition,"
      he said. An Armenian scholar Gevorg Poghosyan appeared on the ArmNews
      TV channel, saying, "The Armenian genocide condemnation normally comes
      to the international agenda when some countries experience problems
      with Turkey."

      However, some users describe the scandalous tweet as an attempt to
      alarm Ankara about possible developments if Erdogan doesn't revise
      his anti-Mansour attitude. Interestingly, the Egyptian press recently
      has published several articles on the Armenian genocide. Cairo's Sata
      Balad newspaper reported Turkey's interference with Egypt's internal
      affairs is reminiscent of atrocities of the early 20th century. Essam
      Kamel, the editor-in-chief of Veto, an Egyptian independent daily,
      also reported on the same topic.

      Summarizing the controversy around recognition of the Armenian genocide
      by Cairo's interim leadership, Kamel said, "The Egyptian government
      has the right to hesitate in acknowledging the massacres of Armenians
      by the Turkish forces due to the high incitement of Asitana [today's
      Ankara] as this acknowledgement will have bad repercussions on the
      Egyptian-Turkish relations."

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      Here we go again

      Egypt first Islamist country to raise Armenian Genocide issue – ANC Egypt chairman

      09:23 • 29.11.16

      The parliament of Egypt, the first Islamist country to practically raise the Armenian Genocide issue, is now preparing a draft resolution to condemn the tragedy.

      When completed, the document will be submitted to the parliament speaker for further processes, says Armen Mazlumian, the chairman of the Armenian National Committee (ANC) of Egypt.

      “Egypt is the first country to raise the Armenian Genocide recognition issue. It is a very delicate matter, and they may encounter obstacles as it deals with political interests and policies across the region,” he told Tert.am, ruling out the possibility of the initiative’s failure.

      It comes after Mostafa Bakri, an independent member of the Egyptian parliament, proposed a measure calling upon the legislative and government to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide.

      In a speech in parliament in July, he said historical records expose the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians at the hands of the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1922.x He urged the legislative to call a special session to consider the matter. Some 337 signed below the draft resolution.

      Mazlumian said the Armenians in Egypt raised a wave of protest in the run-up to the Genocide centennial in an attempt to call attention to the problem. “The Egyptian TV channels, and books raised awareness of the Armenian Genocide; a lot of work was carried out also in universities. That increased interest in the topic among the Egyptians. When Egypt’s relations with Turkey deteriorated, and Turkey began intervening in the country’s domestic policies, Egypt embarked on efforts towards countering the Turkish policies,” he added.

      Meantime, Mazlumyan described the move as a humanistic rather than a political initiative. “They say dispossessed Armenians must stand by their rights. They say they have always offered support to the dispossessed,” he added.

      “It is really notable that an Islamist state is vocal about the Armenian Genocide. There is an opinion that it [the Genocide] was not religiously motivated but was rather aimed at realizing the pan-Turkism program. After the recognition of [the Genocide] by Egypt, Turkey will be facing increasing pressure by the international community.”

      Mazlumyan said he believes that such processes in different part across the globe will eventually make Turkey come to terms with its defeat and pay reparations to the Armenians.

      He added they intend to continue the dialogue with Egyptian lawmakers to finally achieve the adoption of the resolution.

      x“It is important to put matters right, and to rule out external interventions. This is an internal issue for Egypt; they have initiated the process, so the decision lies with them. Also, Armenia must establish closer relations with the Arab world, especially Egypt. We must always stand by Egypt,” he added.


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