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      A few months old but still cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wvgvutTBB8
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      Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
      A few months old but still cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wvgvutTBB8
      that was awesome. Ideally I wish the two of them would annihilate each other off the face of the earth. But since this isn't fantasy world, it would advance our position an unreal amount if the the Kurds manage to establish some of form of autonomy across the length of our border.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mher View Post
      that was awesome. Ideally I wish the two of them would annihilate each other off the face of the earth. But since this isn't fantasy world, it would advance our position an unreal amount if the the Kurds manage to establish some of form of autonomy across the length of our border.
      Yes, it isn't fantasy world, more like bizarro world. But still I like your "annihilate each other" fantasy. How utterly appropriate that would be.
      Everything I'm reading on the kerd conduct in Syria says kerds want all northern tear of Syria. As they move into each area they try to intimidate the non kerd villagers and towns to leave under the pretext that it's for their saftey (sound familiar ?) and when their successful emediatly level al the non Kurd homes and set up defensive works to hold the land. They are using this conflict to expand their claims of "kerdistoon).
      Poor computer skills prevented me from posting the last conflict in recent days between them and the Assyrians. Basically they tried to run this game on some Assyrians that conjoined them to fight common foe. Then tried to assert their dominance over assyrian land. The Assyrians stomped them. One or two Assyrians were killed and I think at least 8 kerds bit the dust.
      When we hear of and allied kerd/Assyr force it's mostly kerd PR. The Assyrians are watching like a hawk as their experience with the ever so lovely low life's mirrors our experience.
      The kerd is using this conflict as an opportunity for them to grab more land.
      Yes, I suppose I have to agree with you about our western border, but it's with great (GREAT) reluctance.
      What lovely and precious neighbors they'll make.
      So looking forward to that. Well that and cancer. I hear cancer has its upside to, lol.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Artashes View Post
      I hear cancer has its upside to, lol.
      There are 30+ million of them, they don’t have a paved road built on their own.
      I will trust a turk before I trust a kurd.

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      Russia: Syria Peace Talks Must Include Kurds Despite Turkish 'Blackmail'

      http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.699608

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      Quote Originally Posted by Artashes View Post
      Yes, it isn't fantasy world, more like bizarro world. But still I like your "annihilate each other" fantasy. How utterly appropriate that would be.
      Everything I'm reading on the kerd conduct in Syria says kerds want all northern tear of Syria. As they move into each area they try to intimidate the non kerd villagers and towns to leave under the pretext that it's for their saftey (sound familiar ?) and when their successful emediatly level al the non Kurd homes and set up defensive works to hold the land. They are using this conflict to expand their claims of "kerdistoon).
      Poor computer skills prevented me from posting the last conflict in recent days between them and the Assyrians. Basically they tried to run this game on some Assyrians that conjoined them to fight common foe. Then tried to assert their dominance over assyrian land. The Assyrians stomped them. One or two Assyrians were killed and I think at least 8 kerds bit the dust.
      When we hear of and allied kerd/Assyr force it's mostly kerd PR. The Assyrians are watching like a hawk as their experience with the ever so lovely low life's mirrors our experience.
      The kerd is using this conflict as an opportunity for them to grab more land.
      Yes, I suppose I have to agree with you about our western border, but it's with great (GREAT) reluctance.
      What lovely and precious neighbors they'll make.
      So looking forward to that. Well that and cancer. I hear cancer has its upside to, lol.
      I'm not so fond of the Assyrians as well.
      During the Lebanese Civil War, the Assyrians allied themselves with the fascist Christian Lebanese Forces militia (ouwwet) and fought against the Armenians.
      Every Assyrian I've met despises Armenians. One even told me that they prefer Muslims over Armenians. They're jealous as hell that they don't have a home land and we have one.
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      If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
      At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.

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      Quote Originally Posted by armnuke View Post
      If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
      At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.
      I agree with this 100%.
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      Quote Originally Posted by armnuke View Post
      I'm not so fond of the Assyrians as well.
      During the Lebanese Civil War, the Assyrians allied themselves with the fascist Christian Lebanese Forces militia (ouwwet) and fought against the Armenians.
      Every Assyrian I've met despises Armenians. One even told me that they prefer Muslims over Armenians. They're jealous as hell that they don't have a home land and we have one.
      The animosity between us and Assyr is more than their jealousness you mention and goes back much longer ago. All the way back to Haig & Bell. I read read somewhere they were the most vicious people of the era. I also read that one of the Armenian rulers who battled them, when he caught the Assyr ruler he was fighting, skinned him alive and made him eat his own flesh.
      The hatred between us and them goes back long and is deep.
      We have stood up for them in modern times moreso than the other way around. I couldn't emaginable giving them any kind of real power. Still, I think it's incumbent upon us to do the right thing toward them.
      Quote Originally Posted by armnuke View Post
      If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
      At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.
      --- Kurd party admits genocide --- I read that too. Nothing more than a politicle ploy. When asked if any compensation was forthcoming , the reply was ... NO, the apology is enough. They are willing to run their mouth , the end. Every apology I've read goes from --- I'm sorry to the turc made us do it. Usually in the same sentence. Their apology is for public appearance and nothing more. You would need special scientific equipment to measure the depth of their shallowness.
      But again I have to agree on your pragmatic reasoning. But it's with ever so great reluctance.
      I cannot figure out who got less heart, kerd or turc, and no surprise how those two allied to our destruction. They both wanted the same thing ... Our land and wealth.
      They are still fighting over that to this day.
      Liked Mher's idea the best.
      Ya, pragmatism wins for now.
      Our march from the ashes of death continues.
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      Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

      Quote Originally Posted by Artashes View Post
      They both wanted the same thing ... Our land and wealth.
      They are still fighting over that to this day.
      That sums it up.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Artashes View Post
      Our land and wealth.
      They are still fighting over that to this day.
      Incredible.

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      Quote Originally Posted by armnuke View Post
      I'm not so fond of the Assyrians as well.
      During the Lebanese Civil War, the Assyrians allied themselves with the fascist Christian Lebanese Forces militia (ouwwet) and fought against the Armenians.
      Every Assyrian I've met despises Armenians. One even told me that they prefer Muslims over Armenians. They're jealous as hell that they don't have a home land and we have one.
      Assyrians do not hate Armenians. In fact the opposite. We have history together good and bad. Assyrians are good fighters. We carry the torch for the Assyrians to one day we can give them some of their land. I cannot believe that Assyrians will fight against Armenians. If what you say its true then they can say Armenians betrayed us on a major battle with Turks in 1915 and left when they said they will fight with them. All of the Assyrian fighters were killed by Turks.

      I have met Assyrians, have Assyrian friend and been to their Church.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Eddo211 View Post
      Assyrians do not hate Armenians. In fact the opposite. We have history together good and bad. Assyrians are good fighters. We carry the torch for the Assyrians to one day we can give them some of their land. I cannot believe that Assyrians will fight against Armenians. If what you say its true then they can say Armenians betrayed us on a major battle with Turks in 1915 and left when they said they will fight with them. All of the Assyrian fighters were killed by Turks.

      I have met Assyrians, have Assyrian friend and been to their Church.

      el assorinarenist vad me ghosatsegh (speak)
      I have no dought Armnuke is relating his experience in Lebanon accurately and forthright.
      As one who has met a limited group of black people and seen an disgusting and unseemly group, so perchance is Armnuke's experience. (however) to project that on those relatively few Assyrians that are left on the planet, I think is a gross misrepresentation.
      According to all I've heard, Eddo is right. They fought to the last man. And often, side by side with us.
      In the battles we shared fighting the inhuman turd & kurt , not one of US ran away to save ourselves.
      And when there were no more Assyrians left to fight for, but there were still Armenians, and when they knew there wasn't a chance in hell the fight could be won, they stayed and fought.
      A true friend is that cold lifeless body laying next to your dead body.
      A lotta dead Assyr body's were found mixed TOGETHER with a lotta dead Hayr body's.
      We fought together and died together in 1915.
      I ain't gonna forget that.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Artashes View Post
      I have no dought Armnuke is relating his experience in Lebanon accurately and forthright.
      As one who has met a limited group of black people and seen an disgusting and unseemly group, so perchance is Armnuke's experience. (however) to project that on those relatively few Assyrians that are left on the planet, I think is a gross misrepresentation.
      According to all I've heard, Eddo is right. They fought to the last man. And often, side by side with us.
      In the battles we shared fighting the inhuman turd & kurt , not one of US ran away to save ourselves.
      And when there were no more Assyrians left to fight for, but there were still Armenians, and when they knew there wasn't a chance in hell the fight could be won, they stayed and fought.
      A true friend is that cold lifeless body laying next to your dead body.
      A lotta dead Assyr body's were found mixed TOGETHER with a lotta dead Hayr body's.
      We fought together and died together in 1915.
      I ain't gonna forget that.
      Reareading post and thought I wasn't clear on some points, so to clarify ...
      When I said "as on who has met a limited number of black people ..." --- I should have said "like one who has met a limited number of black people" --- I've met many blacks and lived in their community.
      Again, when I said that one could not project that on the entire Assyr community, I should have also informed that about blacks as well.
      Unlike moss who could not accept that other people have experienced horror or genocide, and that we suffered the greatest, which is exactly the same disgusting thing that the I-srael govt spews from their bigoted conniving mouth, I'm pointing out two things ... (1) the Assyrians suffered an attempt by the heartless kerds and turcs to wipe them off this planet, and a also the black people's suffered horror is no less a horror than ours. And (2) we AND the Assyrian fought (a) has best as we could at that time (b) we often fought together , side by side.

      Never been to Lebanon , maybe that specific group of Assyr carry an animosity toward Hayr in general. It sure sounds like that from Armnuke's post. However I know that the Assyr in the kerd part of iraq have and are experiencing basically the same thing that the Hayr left in the stolen western Armenia and Anatolia are and have experience. Both kerd and turc on an (1) hourly , (2) daily , (3) yearly ... basis are reminded that their land is not theirs and they better STFU or fear for their lives.
      The kerd & turc try to present that we both participate equally without any coercion , however they both lie through their teeth.
      Everyone who is honest and informed can relate to BOTH kerd and turc lying right ? We know they are liers by their very nature , correct ?
      Think you could be safe in either (1) Anatolia , or (2) kerd area of Iraq (NOT kerdistan ) if you said respectively, this is my natural homeland that you stole ??? You be dead meat.
      The kerd and turc are heartless, calloused murderers, and theives.
      They have been since the 1st day they came to either area.
      They haven't changed.
      Please don't mistake geopoliticle PR for change in character by either the terd or kurt.
      They steal and kill, you disagree with that you experience their savage, nomadic, xxxxxxx act.
      Don't be fooled by 2016 modern guise of either. They are still savage , nomadic xxxxxxxs.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Artashes View Post
      Reareading post and thought I wasn't clear on some points, so to clarify ...
      When I said "as on who has met a limited number of black people ..." --- I should have said "like one who has met a limited number of black people" --- I've met many blacks and lived in their community.
      Again, when I said that one could not project that on the entire Assyr community, I should have also informed that about blacks as well.
      Unlike moss who could not accept that other people have experienced horror or genocide, and that we suffered the greatest, which is exactly the same disgusting thing that the I-srael govt spews from their bigoted conniving mouth, I'm pointing out two things ... (1) the Assyrians suffered an attempt by the heartless kerds and turcs to wipe them off this planet, and a also the black people's suffered horror is no less a horror than ours. And (2) we AND the Assyrian fought (a) has best as we could at that time (b) we often fought together , side by side.

      Never been to Lebanon , maybe that specific group of Assyr carry an animosity toward Hayr in general. It sure sounds like that from Armnuke's post. However I know that the Assyr in the kerd part of iraq have and are experiencing basically the same thing that the Hayr left in the stolen western Armenia and Anatolia are and have experience. Both kerd and turc on an (1) hourly , (2) daily , (3) yearly ... basis are reminded that their land is not theirs and they better STFU or fear for their lives.
      The kerd & turc try to present that we both participate equally without any coercion , however they both lie through their teeth.
      Everyone who is honest and informed can relate to BOTH kerd and turc lying right ? We know they are liers by their very nature , correct ?
      Think you could be safe in either (1) Anatolia , or (2) kerd area of Iraq (NOT kerdistan ) if you said respectively, this is my natural homeland that you stole ??? You be dead meat.
      The kerd and turc are heartless, calloused murderers, and theives.
      They have been since the 1st day they came to either area.
      They haven't changed.
      Please don't mistake geopoliticle PR for change in character by either the terd or kurt.
      They steal and kill, you disagree with that you experience their savage, nomadic, xxxxxxx act.
      Don't be fooled by 2016 modern guise of either. They are still savage , nomadic xxxxxxxs.
      My family lived with and I have some Assyrian members amongst my cousins. I love them like brothers. I didn't know about the situation between Armenians and Assyrians in Lebanon but despite that, I support them and know that the suffered with us and fought along side us during the Genocides. I think if possible, Armenia should take in not just Armenian, but Assyrian and Yezidi refugees into Armenia and Artsakh (especially in Artsakh)
      General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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