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Do Not Look For Happiness Overseas: To Marry A Diasporan Or Not?

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  • Do Not Look For Happiness Overseas: To Marry A Diasporan Or Not?

    Do Not Look for Happiness Overseas

    ArmenPress
    July 15 2005

    YEREVAN, JULY 15, ARMENPRESS: More and more Armenians have begun to
    think about marrying a foreigner, especially an expatriate, who could
    take them out of the country that is still facing heavy economic
    problems but they seem to be unaware or ignorant of the negative
    demographic impact their decision may have.

    No one knows just how many Armenians left their country since 1991
    when it broke away from the former Soviet Union, but even the most
    conservative estimates put the total at around one million. The exodus
    has made Armenia one of the fastest-disappearing nations in the world,
    dubbed by some experts as "depopulation" calling into question whether
    Armenia is a country with a future. In a country with no significant
    natural resources, a collapsed Soviet industrial infrastructure and
    an economy just now showing signs of recovery, many Armenians had
    little choice but to leave. About 80 percent headed to Russia and
    other parts of the former Soviet Union; the rest joined the earlier
    Diaspora in the United States or Western Europe.

    The wave of departures, which hit a high of about 200,000 a year in the
    mid-1990s, has stabilized in recent years, but the cumulative effect
    remains. Far more Armenians now live outside their homeland than
    in it. The society that stayed has far fewer working-age men, fewer
    marriages, fewer births. Women outnumber men 56 percent to 44 percent.

    But the trend of mixed marriages is set to increase as the local
    society is becoming gradually more open to the rest of the world.

    Even under the Soviets many Armenian nationals wanted to marry a
    Diaspora Armenian or foreigners from Western countries. An official
    from justice ministry's civilian registry introduced us to an Armenian
    woman and a German male who arrived in Yerevan to register their
    marriage here. Both appeared to be happy to answer all our questions,
    but refused to disclose their names. The woman, who has been living
    with her family in Germany for seven years already, said she and
    her fiance, let us call him Hans, came to Armenia to register their
    marriage here because the procedure is very complicated in Germany. But
    when we asked her about Armenians in Germany, she said many of them,
    especially men, get involved in various fraudulent deals in an effort
    to receive permission for permanent residence or citizenship. When
    their tricks are revealed, they create a negative perception of
    Armenians by Germans. She said many Armenian men, who are living
    in Germany illegally, befriend local women, declare their love for
    them - even women twice their age - and often marry them just to get
    residence permission or citizenship. She even recalled several cases
    when Christian Armenians married German Turks, something difficult
    to imagine in other places, explaining that Turks are treated well in
    Germany, making the Armenians' chance of getting residence permission
    higher.

    "At any rate I cannot understand how a Christian Armenian and a Muslim
    Turk can make a union," she said, adding also that religious belonging
    is appreciated stronger and higher by Armenians living outside their
    homeland. She said her decision to marry a German was based on true
    love. Hans confirmed this saying they have known one another for a
    long time before they decided to marry. Susanna Stepanian from the
    Armenian justice ministry said foreigners rarely marry Armenians. The
    majority of mixed marriages usually involve Armenian citizens and
    a Diaspora Armenian. Divorces are rare because Diaspora Armenians'
    decisions are weighed and conscious, based on common Armenian national
    peculiarities and traditions.

    "For Diaspora Armenians it is very important to know where the bride
    or fiance comes from and if they track down any bad reputation this
    will undoubtedly affect their decision," she said. She recalled a case
    involving a young Armenian man who was born and grew up in the USA. His
    family had lived in Armenia before moving to the USA, and they had not
    lost touch with their next door neighbor in Armenia, whose daughter
    eventually agreed to marry the American boy who visited Armenia
    several times. Out of 26,000 marriages registered last year only 26
    were mixed marriages between Armenian and foreign citizens. Susanna
    Stepanian said she never had met a foreigner marrying an Armenian
    citizen with an ulterior motive, as is the case with Armenians abroad,
    because Armenian legislation is clear and simple concerning residence
    permission or granting citizenship. She said three such couples
    registered by the civilian registrar's office this year decided to live
    in Armenia. In order to find out what attracts Armenian men and women
    to foreigners and vice versa, we asked Mane Asatrian from one of the
    local international dating marriage clubs to share her impressions. She
    said foreigners seeking an Armenian spouse usually have some knowledge
    about the country and people. They are attracted by the Armenians'
    traditional devotion to their families, and apply to such clubs
    in the hope that their Armenian wife of husband will cement their
    union. The majority of applicants are foreign men wishing to marry
    an Armenian woman, whom they have heard are known for their modesty,
    devotion to the family and are excellent mothers. They are mainly men
    from the USA and Canada. One of them worked in Armenia for some time
    and now keeps in touch with an Armenian girl here through email.

    Mane Asatrian said the club has this year helped 20 people to establish
    contacts. It also has hundreds of Armenian applicants, both men and
    women, but the majority apply for reasons other than marriage. "On the
    application forms they write simultaneously that they want to have
    a nice time and to marry, which does not seem logical for a man or
    woman wishing to marry. This means that the majority of applicants
    do not appreciate the main goal of the club and try to take every
    opportunity to live abroad," she said. We also spoke with Armen
    Ashotian, a member of parliament and chairman of the youth wing of
    the governing Republican party. Ashotian welcomed any marriage,
    especially a marriage between an Armenian citizen and a Diaspora
    Armenian, and especially when they decide to settle down in Armenia.


    What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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    Interesting article.
    Every time I hear about the exodus, I feel like I got kicked in the gut. The reason is I myself left Armenia. I keep telling myself that as soon as I finish my education and have cemented my grip in my profession, I will definitely return to Armenia to work and give something back. The sad reality is that only racketeers and gangsters are thriving in Armenia. The prospects of making an honest living and providing for your family are very scarce. People with advanced degrees and scientific diplomas doing jobs so outside their area it's ridiculous. So while it is sad, it is not unnatural to want a better future for your family. The education in Armenia is not horrible (in fact it's amazing considering the conditions), but it is very behind what's available outside. More importantly though is that education does not even come close to guaranteeing a job. The chance of extended unemployment is very high. One thing that makes the exodus more painful, is when some who leave act like complete scum, thieving and scamming in whatever country they end up in. Our own wonderful Armos in LA, getting into gangs, making drive-bys. Unpetk votchilner. If you have left your country, the least you can do is try to better yourself, become an upstanding ambitious hardworking person. Be a good example of what an Armenian is. And I think, it is very important to use the opportunity you've been given to give something back to Armenia. For sure I will keep my Armenian citizenship till the day I die.

    As for Armenian women marrying foreigners, it's really a natural reaction as well. The reason is again the number of males is much smaller and getting smaller every year. Also, if girl wants to marry an honest (and even if hardworking) guy, she must accept some compromises. It's not gonna be a peachy life. There cannot be any talk of a child for at least 5-6 years, when they've paid most of the debts they or their families have accumulated for starting their life together. So it's really hard for newlyweds. I can tell you a funny story. My aunt in Armenia told a lady that goes around and sells women's products and toiletries (kinda like the Avon lady here) that she has a single nephew in US who's getting an education and will hopefully get a job, so keep your eyes open for nice single girls. It was basically a small talk and she didn't really think anything of it. Two, two days later the lady comes back with a picture of a girl in a bathing suit to show to my aunt. They didn't know what I'm like and what I look like. I mean it is funny at first but then it'll make you cry your eyes out. Our girls had pride, their parents had pride. You had to work for a girl's heart. Now, a mention of an Armenian guy in US and they will "parade" the girl like meat. My friend says, "man you come to Armenia, and girls will line up at the street".

    By the way, obviously not only women do this. Armenian guys do this in abundance too. In fact they fake it a lot more than women do.

    Anyways, it's tough and it's sad but God willing we'll prevail and create the conditions where our people can have their pride and honor back to full.
    Last edited by karoaper; 07-19-2005, 10:46 PM.

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    • #3
      Now, a mention of an Armenian guy in US and they will "parade" the girl like meat. My friend says, "man you come to Armenia, and girls will line up at the street".

      No they won't I'm in Armenia now. In fact they won't even look at you. They do have pride, it's their parents trying to hook them up.

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      • #4
        And Turks aren't highly regarded in Germany. Infact, they are treated like xxxx. A friend visited Germany recently and was constantly yelled at, spit on, etc in public because he looked Turkish (dark hair, tanned tone).

        Life in Armenia is hard if you have no money. I wish I can visit but I promised myself not to go back until I can set up and fully fund a medium sized business, without putting myself in any financial burden.

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        • #5
          I've mentioned this all along, Armenia is experiencing a population implosion and the future does not bode well.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #6
            For sure I will keep my Armenian citizenship till the day I die.
            Ko amboxj post@ hakasum e ays mtkin. Why would you keep a citizenship of the country which government consists of "racketeers and gangsters"??? Citizenship is something associated and belonging to government and not say Armenian culture, land, spirit...
            Last edited by Ani555; 09-28-2005, 10:56 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ani555
              Ko amboxj post@ hakasum e ays mtkin. Why would you keep a citizenship of the country which government consists of "racketeers and gangsters"??? Citizenship is something associated and belonging to government and not say Armenian culture, land, spirit...
              I agree that the citizenship is a mark of allegiance (nviratvutiun) to the government, while my main allegiance is to the people and the nation. But to me it is also a symbol of being tied to my birthplace. Also in future I plan to return and work in Armenia, at least on parttime manner, so having a citizenship will help a lot.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by karoaper
                I agree that the citizenship is a mark of allegiance (nviratvutiun) to the government, while my main allegiance is to the people and the nation. But to me it is also a symbol of being tied to my birthplace. Also in future I plan to return and work in Armenia, at least on parttime manner, so having a citizenship will help a lot.
                Ba vor brnen tanen banak? Kidding Of course you are right.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ddd
                  Life in Armenia is hard if you have no money.
                  life in america is hard if you have no money.

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                  • #10
                    Life is hard as it is.

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