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      Re: new audi commin your way!

      Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Glow View Post
      Let's look at BMWs alone. They are notorious for brake rotor warping within 30-50k miles of being new. A customer of our store just got rid of an X5 because it had electrical problems the dealer couldn't figure out, the speakers stopped working on the stereo, and a slew of other problems. He swore off ever buying a luxury foreign car again. I have several friends who have had the same issue, while others don't care what their cars put them through, so long as they can say they're driving a high end status symbol.
      Well, the BMW X5 IS built in the USA.... there are no longer boundaries for cars anymore. Every car is made from parts from all over the world. So if one supplier manufactures faulty parts, it could potentially end up along many different platforms. Its sort of like pieces of the puzzle that are shipped from multiple suppliers and the final assembly is done in one location. For example, Chrysler can puts engines that are designed/built in South Korea into their vehicles. In fact, the quality of your car sometimes depends on whether or not the guy on the assembly line was drunk/high
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      Re: new audi commin your way!

      Japanese cars are also dependable.
      but American cars are trash








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      German cars are certainly NOT the best. BMW is decent but way overpriced. AUDI has great performance cars but again, not very affordable and certainly not when it comes to maintenance. VW ... well ... do you really want to argue there are "best" in anything? Seems to me they produce average cars that really don't have much benefit to offer over all other cars. Reliability wise, they have not had the best record either (not even close).

      Daimler had a chance to do something with Chrysler here in the US but that went completely bust. They are probably the most overpriced among all German cars. So if cost weren't an issue in the US, German cars may have a chance of being worth considering in terms of their "quality" but once you factor cost into the equation, they pretty much give you very little bang for the buck.

      Porsche has always been an exception in my mind but even they are having some identity crisis right now. I mean a 4-door sedan? Really? What's next, the minivan and a pickup truck? Well they got pretty close to the minivan category with the Cayenne but that's another topic.

      Now this brings us to American cars. How can you claim American cars are "trash"? On what basis? What cars are you talking about? Certainly in terms of SUVs, Trucks, and offroaders, US still hugely dominates the rest of the world. In terms of sports cars, the Corvette (when considering its cost) can certainly hold its own against any import (unless you want to count some super fancy cars that are beyond this discussion). With GM, Ford, and Chrysler now offering more and more great muscle cars (just look at the success of the mustang and camaro), the US again has a very solid stake in the muscle car department.

      In terms of fuel efficient commuters, US has great offerings but still Toyota is the leader here with the Prius. With Mazda going electric and with Ford and GM closely behind, it is still a big race but again, US is far from "trash" here.
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      U.S. cars are hit and miss, it's just due to the way the U.S. auto manufacturers do business. Japanese manufacturers don't change a component and reinvent the wheel every model year, instead they work to perfect and then maintain that component throughout their product line. With the Big 3, it's more about catering to suppliers and brown nosing executives and CEOs.

      As far as going electric... I'd rather move my house next to work than be caught dead driving an electric car for the sake of "pollution". Urban sprawl is due to human greed and I shouldn't be made to feel guilty for driving a gas powered vehicle if I don't drive nearly as much as the commuter who lives 1-2 hours from work because they choose to live in a bigger box.
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      Re: new audi commin your way!

      Quote Originally Posted by KanadaHye View Post
      With the Big 3, it's more about catering to suppliers and brown nosing executives and CEOs.
      I don't think that's true with GM at least. GM's biggest problem has been costs ... mostly in pensions and health benefits for the retirees. It was something like $1600 per car which is a pretty big number. If GM could somehow cut these massive costs that is holding it back, and somehow secure a much more affordable labor force (outside the US), it could do great things I think. But as it is, GM has become very stale and even though they are not producing "junk", they do need a complete overhaul of their offerings I think.

      Ford already has done that and you can see they are doing great in terms of sales too (and consumer confidence since their cars are much more reliable than the junk they were putting out in the 90s).

      Of course I am not saying the Big 3 have reached the Japanese caliber in terms of the quality of their supplies. That is still unmatched
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      GM lost my interest after they dropped the Pontiac brand. That means no more Trans Am. The only American car I probably would have been interested in buying was the Pontiac G8. I also like the Chevy Equinox/Terrain for crossovers. They are priced right for what you get.

      I've never been interested in anything Chrysler has produced except for the Stealth (which was essentially Japanese).

      As for Ford, I like the Mustang but still prefer the looks of the Camaro or Trans Am. Ford made ground on a lot of their products because they collaborated with Mazda.

      My next vehicle might just be Japanese.
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      My only interest in Chrysler has been Jeep which is the only brand of theirs that is still decent (thankfully they kept the wrangler close to what a wrangler is supposed to be). Grand Cherokee is bordering on becoming super lame but it still has promise.
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