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  • #31
    Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

    Ground swell against ADL and NO PLACE FOR HATE Campaign continues to surge on...

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    • #32
      Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

      Is the ground shaking or is this story really getting some teeth?



      (A rift emerges between ADL in Boston and ADL National over national's genocide denial stance - a sincere gesture or just posturing until the dust clears - only time shall tell; ANCA National chimes in - hello Mr. Hamparian, glad you can join us, perhaps you should invite Tom Lantos to breakfast at the Federalist over there at the Madison Hotel and have a little meet and greet about his ADL sympathizing, genocide recognition flip-flopping ways and his delay in bringing H.R. 106 to vote in the Foreign Relations committee - the clock keeps ticking)


      (same story on tv)


      (same story on tv)


      (Even a zionist in Fresno reluctantly believes the ADL is wrong)

      http://frontpagemagazine.com/Article...D-BD7A76F2F592 (great story referencing recent row over ADL in Watertown and how Turkish j-ews are being exploited by Turkey to lobby their position while not actually being embraced as Turks there)

      The kettle is whistling!!!!
      Last edited by freakyfreaky; 08-17-2007, 10:08 AM.
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      • #33
        Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

        Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
        ANC for Eastern Massachussetts chimes in too re: Watertown's recent proclamation blasting the ADL.



        Apparently, ANCA National is taking a wait and see approach until after the dust clears and a winner emerges before it decides to take a stance.
        It's still too risky and dangerous out there...for "heroes!" As in the past, they will probably wait until it's safe enough to flip-flop, claim victory as if it was their battle, brag about it and try to discredit those who have, actually, made the difference as "irresponsible adventurists"...just like professional opportunists would do.

        For instance, though I welcome the press release above, I wonder how many will be under the impression that they have actively participated????
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        • #34
          Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance



          (Massachussetts resident believes Arlington, Mass. should sever ties with ADL too)

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          (Hairenik Weekly scores the goods with video of Watertown Town council's meeting where they issued the proclamation severing ties with the ADL - thank you courageous members of the council and citizens of Watertown, Mass.)

          Below, Asbarez references Boston Globe's story today re: local ADL in Beantown backing away from National ADL's policy against genocide denial. http://www.asbarez.com/

          BOSTON--The Boston Globe reported Friday that in an emergency meeting Thursday afternoon, the regional ADL board adopted resolutions calling on the national organization, which has refused to recognize the Armenian genocide, to change its policy, according to a source familiar with the proposal, reported the Globe.
          The Boston Globe's Keith O'Brien reported that Andrew H. Tarsy, the ADL's New England regional director who had defended the ADL's position as recently as Tuesday, reversed course, saying the ADL should acknowledge the genocide.
          "I strongly disagree with ADL's national position," Tarsy told the Globe in an interview. However, he declined to explain his change of heart. "It's my strong hope that we'll be able to move forward in a relationship with the Armenian community and the community in general," Tarsy told the Globe.
          This development was the latest in a debate that started weeks ago in Watertown, Mass., where residents were angered to learn that the ADL was the sponsor of the town's antibigotry program "No Place For Hate." Many began calling for Watertown to pull out because the ADL refused to properly recognize the Armenian Genocide.
          On Tuesday, the Watertown Town Council voted unanimously to end its relationship with No Place For Hate.
          The Boston Globe reported that by Thursday, residents in Newton, Belmont, Somerville, and Arlington were rethinking the program, and local xxxish leaders were renouncing the ADL's stand.
          The Globe said that ADL leaders agree that Armenians were massacred by Ottomon Turks during World War I. The ongoing debate focuses on the Armenian stance that what happened was genocide and the ADL's refusal to acknowledge that.
          The ADL's national director, Abraham H. Foxman, has said that had no position on the Armenian Genocide Resolution pending in Congress and has, in the past, questioned whether what happened was genocide and said he believes that Congress should not be considering the matter.
          The board of the regional ADL refused to release the text of the resolutions it adopted Thursday, in deference, one source said, to the national organization. The board would not comment further. Foxman did not return the Boston Globe's call seeking comment.
          But Tarsy's remarks made clear that the regional arm of the ADL was prepared to part ways with the national office on the issue of Armenian Genocide, a move welcomed by the leader of the Armenian National Committee, based in Washington, reported the Globe.
          "It's a positive move," said Aram Hamparian, executive director of the Armenian National Committee told the Globe. "It's the New England ADL trying to bring the national ADL over to the right side of the issue."
          Hamparian told Asbarez that “We welcome the New England's ADL's action today as a meaningful step toward moving their national organization to the right side of this issue. We remain hopeful that, as the ADL's regional and local leadership learns more about the truly unfortunate controversy sparked by Abraham Foxman's hateful comments, the many sincere and principled members of this proud organization will make sure they distance themselves from the denial of the Armenian Genocide.”
          “Ultimately, the best measure of ADL's stand 's and the surest path to the restoration of its standing as an organization opposed to all genocides 's is its national leadership's willingness to join with human rights advocates of all backgrounds in calling upon the President and Congress to work toward the adoption of the Armenian Genocide Resolution,” he added.
          "Why are they taking this position? Because they're being pressured to," James Russell, the Mashtots professor of Armenian studies at Harvard University told the Globe. "Because Israel is in a very dangerous neighborhood and Turkey, at the moment, is a friend and military ally."
          The Globe said that the “No Place For Hate” program was positive, most agreed. Under the program, communities organize diversity days and other events focused on challenging bigotry, and after a year they receive placards to be posted, declaring the community as "No Place For Hate," explained the Boston Globe.
          The debate quickly became about something bigger, hurting the reputation of an organization that has spoken out against Holocaust denial, ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, and genocide in Darfur.
          "I'm a longtime supporter of the ADL, and I think the work the organization has done has often been stellar," Rabbi Ronne Friedman, senior rabbi of Boston's largest synagogue, Temple Israel told the Globe. "But I'm really saddened that Abe Foxman, the national director, has failed to affirm the historical fact of this genocide, and I really think that failure represents a moral myopia," he added in comments to the Globe.
          Friedman told the Globe that he spoke about this issue during services last week and urged his congregation to reach out to Armenian-Americans and let them know that many xxxs stand with them.
          xxxs, being victims of Adolf Hitler's genocide plan, should understand the importance of this issue, Friedman said.
          "Hitler referenced the Armenian genocide as proof that the Germans could move forward with impunity in the defamation of the Polish population, men, women and children," Friedman told the Globe. "So the idea that we'd fail to recognize historical fact and fail to ensure that the Armenian-American community is affirmed and supported in its quest for justice and truth -- I think that's terribly unfortunate."
          The Globe reported that officials in other "No Place For Hate" Massachusetts towns were rethinking their involvement in the program. In Newton, officials were drafting a letter demanding that the ADL change its position.

          Friday, August 17, 2007



          (Sole zionist in Fresno inquires several month ago if Mark Arax is correct in stating that there is a split in the xxxish community re: Armenian genocide recognition. The Zionist should confirm that Mr. Arax was correct and the L.A. Times should display the maturity that the Boston Globe has in allowing articles and editorials by J-ews, Armenians and others alike re: xxxish advocacy group's hypocrisy re: Holocaust recognition and genocide denial; Mark should be commended for his insight and steadfastness re: his position; Doug Frantz is a Turkish apologist and a genocide denier)



          (Same website acknowledges that ADL is wrong for failing to recognize the genocide but that matter should not be politicized and ADL should be allowed to remain)



          (Same website recognizes that the facts are overwhelming re: historical fact of Armenian Genocide regardless of the messenger; conjectures that the ADL's anti-genocide recognition may be based on an implied threat to the Turkish xxxish community but reiterates that Abe Foxman's position is indefensible)
          Between childhood, boyhood,
          adolescence
          & manhood (maturity) there
          should be sharp lines drawn w/
          Tests, deaths, feats, rites
          stories, songs & judgements

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          • #35
            Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

            ADL shmayDL. I support this publicity as an attack on xxx-ery.

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            • #36
              Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

              http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...rmenian_issue/ (Tarsy sacked by Foxman)

              http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news...s=bos&psp=news (same story makes tv feed)


              (same story makes another tv feed)

              http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...painful_truth/ (Alan Dershowitz joins Mass representative Rachel Kaprielian to reiterate that we must state the TRUTH no matter how "painful or difficult")


              (Editorial: ADL aids Turkey in genocide coverup by failing to acknowledge the truth)


              (J-ewcy demands an apology from ADL over its genocide denial stance and asks it to change its ways)
              Last edited by freakyfreaky; 08-18-2007, 10:28 AM.
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              adolescence
              & manhood (maturity) there
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              Tests, deaths, feats, rites
              stories, songs & judgements

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              • #37
                Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

                Asbarez references Boston Globe's article (immediately above) re: firing of Regional Director Andrew Tarsy's firing as "BREAKING NEWS"



                New England ADL Director Fired Over Genocide Recognition

                BOSTON--The New England Regional Director of the Anti-Defamation League, Andrew Tarsy was fired Friday after he broke ranks with the national ADL leadership and called for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide.
                The Boston Globe's Keith O'brien broke the story in today's front page.


                (Arminfo reports clumsily re: Watertown's rescission of the NO PLACE FOR HATE PROGRAM sponsored by the ADL)


                (users at another Armenian forum website also tracking story closely - scroll down to pick up Watertown story)


                (Petition distributed by j-ewcy.com demanding ADL recognize the Armenian Genocide now)


                (Joey Kurtzman's latest blog hypothesizes that Foxman will be resigning shortly)


                (another messageboard tracking the story and expanding Turkey and ADL's position as an attack on Chrisitanity)
                Last edited by freakyfreaky; 08-18-2007, 11:20 AM.
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                Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                stories, songs & judgements

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                • #38
                  Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance


                  (International paper publishes AP report detailing firing of ADL's regional director for New England)

                  WBUR is Boston's NPR News Station, featuring NPR news and programs such as On Point, Here & Now and Radio Boston.

                  (Boston blogger does a recap of Tarsy's tumultuous week)
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                  & manhood (maturity) there
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                  Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                  stories, songs & judgements

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                  • #39
                    Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

                    The saga continues in New England as two members of regional ADL resign in protest over Tarsy's firing.


                    (Resigning board members claim they can not be part of an organization that does not recognize the Armenian genocide; American xxxish leaders are concerned that this will not stop any time soon because it is a national issue)


                    (AP report of ADL regional board member resignations picked up in Louisiana)


                    (same story makes local tv feed)


                    (same story through AP report)


                    (same story makes Iranian TV)

                    http://www.postchronicle.com/news/br...21298371.shtml (Foxman's firing of Tarsy makes NJ paper)


                    (Tarsy's firing makes Worcester paper)

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                    (Tarsy's firing picked up by United Press International)

                    Regional director of US Jewish group fired over comments that the organization's stance on this issue is 'morally indefensible'

                    (AP report re: Tarsy's firing makes Israeli newssource)


                    (UPI report of Tarsy's firing makes Moldova newsfeed)

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                    (UPI report of Tarsy's firing)


                    Local news and headlines for Waltham from Wicked Local's Journal News Independent.

                    (recent editorial indicating that animosity against ADL is not of the type that dissipates quickly; ADL has damaged its reputation by taking stands that are incongruent and indefensible; and, eludes to the formation of a new anti-defamation, human rights organization consisting of many faiths, ethnicities, etc.)
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                    adolescence
                    & manhood (maturity) there
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                    Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                    stories, songs & judgements

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                    • #40
                      Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

                      PRESSURE MOUNTING ON ADL PROGRAM ARMENIAN GROUPS EXPAND INITIATIVE
                      By Keith O'Brien, Globe Staff

                      Boston Globe, MA
                      Aug 16 2007

                      Less than 24 hours after Watertown pulled out of a popular antibigotry
                      program, national Armenian leaders prepared yesterday to target the
                      No Place For Hate program elsewhere unless the program's sponsor,
                      the Anti-Defamation League, is willing to acknowledge the Armenian
                      genocide.

                      Some residents of nearby Arlington have already begun mobilizing to end
                      their town's involvement in the No Place For Hate program, launched
                      there just two months ago. Two politicians -- state Representative
                      Rachel Kaprielian, a Watertown Democrat, and Watertown Councilor
                      Marilyn Petitto Devaney -- vowed to lobby local communities that have
                      the program and send a message that other towns, not just Watertown,
                      oppose the ADL's position.

                      "The Armenian community is completely up in arms about it," said
                      Hilda Silverman, an Arlington resident who hopes to put the issue
                      before town officials soon. "There's just massive mobilization,
                      and the ADL's position is indefensible, I think. What can they
                      say? They can change. They can say it's a genocide. Otherwise, it's
                      all gobbledygook."

                      The controversy over No Place For Hate, a national program that had
                      encountered no controversy until now, centers on what critics say is
                      the ADL's refusal to acknowledge the genocide. While saying that mass
                      killings took place in the last century, the ADL's leadership has
                      said it has no position on pending federal legislation to recognize
                      the Armenian genocide.

                      >From 1915 to 1923, Ottoman Turks massacred as many as 1.5 million
                      Armenians in what is now modern-day Turkey. Armenians, historians,
                      and some European nations recognized the killings as genocide. The
                      Turkish government has refused to accept the genocide label, and
                      the ADL's national director, Abraham H. Foxman, has also infuriated
                      Armenian-Americans for refusing to call it a genocide.

                      When asked in a Globe interview last month if he believed what happened
                      to the Armenians was genocide, Foxman replied, "I don't know." Critics
                      have seized on the remark as suggesting the issue is open to debate,
                      and some have called it genocide denial.

                      ADL regional and national leaders, including Foxman, did not return
                      calls yesterday seeking comment on Watertown's decision to end the
                      No Place For Hate program and whether it would affect the program
                      elsewhere. But in a brief, written statement, Foxman said, "We
                      believe that the No Place For Hate program will continue and stand
                      on its merits."

                      Regional ADL leadership made public a letter drafted yesterday to
                      Watertown's council president, Clyde L. Younger.

                      "We are deeply saddened by the council's action last night adopting a
                      proclamation calling for the town to withdraw from the Anti-Defamation
                      League's No Place For Hate program," the ADL's New England regional
                      director, Andrew H. Tarsy, and regional board chairman, James Rudolph,
                      said in the letter. "As a result, Watertown will lose a valued resource
                      for your community in promoting diversity and cultural harmony."

                      The ADL initially formed in 1913 to fight anti-Semitism. But over the
                      years it has become a prominent human rights group that has spoken out
                      on issues from ethnic cleansing in the Balkans to genocide in Darfur,
                      and in 1999 it launched the No Place For Hate program.

                      Under the program, communities organize diversity days and other events
                      focused on challenging bigotry, and after a year they receive placards
                      to be posted in public, declaring the community as "No Place For Hate."

                      Armenian and political leaders agree that the program is positive.

                      But Armenian-Americans in Chicago and Los Angeles cheered the
                      decision in Watertown, where more than 8,000 people of Armenian
                      descent live. The Town Council voted 8 to 0 Tuesday night to rescind
                      Watertown's participation in the program.

                      Ara Khachatourian -- editor of the Asbarez Daily, a 99-year-old
                      Armenian newspaper based in Glendale, Calif. -- said the Watertown
                      story would lead his newspaper today.

                      "Genocide denial, whether it happens in Watertown, Massachusetts,
                      or Beijing, China, is something that resonates with every Armenian,
                      regardless of where they live," Khachatourian said.

                      Meanwhile, some are organizing in the hope that others will follow
                      Watertown's example. In the days ahead, Kaprielian said she plans to
                      ask Beacon Hill politicians to talk with their towns about following
                      Watertown. Devaney said she plans to talk to leaders in Newton and
                      Waltham and will contact the other 64 Massachusetts communities that
                      currently participate in the program to explain why Watertown dropped
                      out. And the Armenian National Committee is calling for the ADL to
                      alter its position.

                      If the ADL would recognize the Armenian genocide, Kaligian said, the
                      problem would be solved. But if that does not happen, Karine Birazian,
                      the Armenian National Committee's Eastern region executive director,
                      said the group hopes to target the program in other cities and towns.

                      "I think the fact that the town of Watertown was able to . . . make
                      this change will actually have a ripple effect within other
                      communities," Birazian said.

                      But she conceded that it will not be an easy sell politically,
                      especially in communities lacking large Armenian-American
                      populations. It is an issue that Arlington residents who oppose the
                      program may soon encounter.

                      "We are cognizant of world issues and are willing to work with
                      any group," said Arlington Police Lieutenant Ken Hughes, who leads
                      the town's No Place For Hate steering committee. But even knowing
                      Watertown's issues, Hughes said he still supports the program. "What
                      this program attempts to do is foster better relations with all
                      people," he said. "Although people may differ on issues, this gives
                      us the chance to work together."

                      In Watertown, however, the time for working together seems to have
                      passed. Even before the council meeting had ended Tuesday night,
                      Town Manager Michael Driscoll had spoken to the town's superintendent
                      of public works, Gerald Mee, about taking down the No Place For Hate
                      sign in front of Town Hall.

                      A night shift worker was dispatched to do the job, and by the time
                      the meeting ended the sign was gone.



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