That joke of a country called Armenia?

[levon]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

Hey hey hey!!!!!!!! don't sent any garbage here, I’m trying to raise kids

It's either that, San Francisco, or Detroit

[Yedtarts]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

Maybe juste Quebec.

Hey hey hey!!!!!!!! don't sent any garbage here, I’m trying to raise kids

[KanadaHye]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

No, you put yourself in your place. Your place being KanadaHye's lapdog in his cave next to Bin Laden's cave.

Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11 and neither did Bin Laden. The real war is in Waziristan. Afghanistan is just a house for drug lords and a passage for Empires. Britain couldn't infiltrate and form government in Waziristan so they figured they'd let the Yanks have a crack at it.

[levon]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

No, you put yourself in your place. Your place being KanadaHye's lapdog in his cave next to Bin Laden's cave.

funny! At least my place isn't in a cat's a$$, which I presume is your place.

[levon]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

What?!?! Don't send them to Canada, they can form their own state in the U.S. and Jerry Springer can be the Governor.

Maybe juste Quebec.

It's the people and organizations who promote these subcultures that need to be dealt with. You can't convince a mature adult to participate in a retarded subculture after they have been conditioned to accept their primary culture. This is why the promoters recruit the young and impressionable.

Very true!

It works on TV

lol, feminism also works on TV

They got picked on because others saw a weakness in them. That is human nature, and to expect nature to change is INSANE. You can put 4 big fish in an aquarium with a small weak fish and the weak fish will get picked on until death every single time. That is how nature works.

True, but the difference between humans and fish is that humans can ban aware of their own weakness and can choose to do something about it. Back home I knew a couple of kids who were a little on the weaker side when they were younger but grew up into crazy fukers no one would mess with.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

You put bell in his place alright.

No, you put yourself in your place. Your place being KanadaHye's lapdog in his cave next to Bin Laden's cave.

[KanadaHye]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

Well, let's keep your opinions to simply to opinions. If an Armenians wants to be an emo, then he/she can get the fuk out of Armenia, go to US, Canada, Australia, etc and be an emo. Same with the f@ggot.

What?!?! Don't send them to Canada, they can form their own state in the U.S. and Jerry Springer can be the Governor.

Again, that's your opinion, and sadly, history goes against what you're implying. Leaving problems alone doesn't make them go away, but usually makes them worse. But I ask you to follow your own strategy. Next time you have a pressing issue, just leave it alone and see if it works out.
Following your strategy, how about the US completely stop any type of drug enforcement and legalize all drugs. I'm sure within weeks there will no longer be any drug addicts.

Actually, I'm all for legalizing banned substances.... I think I could make a killing profiting off brain dead people

Ok, fuk Neo-Nazis, emos, goth, f@ggots, etc. Happy now?
And I never posted "BS" about Armenia discriminating against ethnic minorities.

It's the people and organizations who promote these subcultures that need to be dealt with. You can't convince a mature adult to participate in a retarded subculture after they have been conditioned to accept their primary culture. This is why the promoters recruit the young and impressionable.

Wow, does that actually work? I mean meeting half-way. Last time Armenians met the Turks half-way we actually lost half of our population. No thanks.

It works on TV

There is a difference between being weary of the west's motivates, and blaming them. Blaming is completely unproductive, but being proactive usually solves problems before they occur. It's better to protect our culture from western crap, rather then let it destroy our culture then whine about it when it's too late.

Thumbs up.

Did I say that? I assume you don't understand why the emo kids in the video were being beaten up. It's simple, used to happen a lot back home. The bigger kid could, and the emo were too sissy to do anything about it. Hell, we used to get in fights all the time. Everybody tests you. If you don't stand up once, you'll get beatings all your life. It's about self-respect. If you don't respect yourself you'll get your ass beaten (literally and/or figuratively) all your life. Those emo kids didn't respect themselves, if they did they would fight back, even if it meant a worse beating.

They got picked on because others saw a weakness in them. That is human nature, and to expect nature to change is INSANE. You can put 4 big fish in an aquarium with a small weak fish and the weak fish will get picked on until death every single time. That is how nature works.

[levon]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

At what point would Armenia be rich and populous enough to be able to afford sub-cultures?

Never

it only has to do with the leadership and what kind of profile they are willing to accept for the masses they rule over.

true, but that's not the whole story. When western subcultures are introduced, that's an effort by the west to infiltrate the particular country, hence, why russia is so opposed to western subcultures in particular.

Now, when an entire country is willing to accept the punishments inflicted by the state on a group or individual, that group or individual will naturally seek to defend themselves with support coming from outside the country. What then happens is that this group or individual will not only be brandished as following some heresy, they will also become traitors, and anyone who considers their point of view will be considering exactly that, heresy and treason.

Asking the outside to infiltrate the country to help a small group of people IS TREASON.

So what, I consider myself human before Armenian. I guess you can call that a super-culture. But in no way do I see how that gets in the way of my ethnic background, my language use and cultural knowledge, or the fact that I get involved with my family and church. But I am free to identify myself with anything really, I can identify myself as a fan of rock, metal, classical music... How would that bear any context with my identity as an Armenian?

I like your idealism. But answer me this. If you're human before Armenian then would you support an Armenian war effort against the Azeris? And if you would, how would you consolidate the fact that during the war civilians will die, and your support for the war means support for azeri civilian deaths?

I suppose the real criteria for why you're upset about emos is because they might seem like they aren't participating enough (at this stage in their lives) in Armenian society in the ways that you would wish. And of course, when we hear of some cases of suicide, then we, and not the emos, start to identify them with it.

No, I dislike emos because they are sissies who don't stand up for themselves.

Subcultures are just offshoots of mainstream cultures. In Armenia, I'm sure there's a soccer sub-culture, a metal sub-culture, gun clubs, etc... These don't divide the country, until the leadership decides that they are hazardous and measures are taken against the people who form one of those sub-cultures.

Yes, but those would be Armenian sub-cultures, offshoots of Armenian mainstream culture. Those are fine. But Western sub-cultures don't belong in Armenia, and emo is a western-subculture.

Why can't the emo call him or herself an Armenian emo? The f@ggot an "Armenian homosexual"? Why can't identities be compounded? In my opinion, they indeed can be, but to others, because they don't want it to be possible for an Armenian to be those things, you can either be an Armenian, or a xxxxxx/emo/goth, etc...

Well, let's keep your opinions to simply to opinions. If an Armenians wants to be an emo, then he/she can get the fuk out of Armenia, go to US, Canada, Australia, etc and be an emo. Same with the f@ggot.

This in my opinion encourages adherents of sub-cultures to get even deeper into them, because now they are being seen as not welcome in mainstream, Armenian society. And the deeper they get into them, the more noise the state and its conservative followers will make against them. In my opinion, it's better to just leave them be and pretty much treat them like everyone else, with the same rights and obligations. Life is hard enough as it is, it's not like they have some kind of special freedom or advantage in society by doing their thing.

Again, that's your opinion, and sadly, history goes against what you're implying. Leaving problems alone doesn't make them go away, but usually makes them worse. But I ask you to follow your own strategy. Next time you have a pressing issue, just leave it alone and see if it works out.
Following your strategy, how about the US completely stop any type of drug enforcement and legalize all drugs. I'm sure within weeks there will no longer be any drug addicts.

Well, if the real problem with these individuals is that they're not productive members of society, why didn't you say so? Why did we have to go through this whole song an dance about their identity, which is just as much fomented by the state cracking down on them?

That's not the real problem. Those are western-subcultures and their infiltration into Armenia is an infiltration of the Armenian state, and that's unacceptable.

I wonder... see, Neo-Nazis are also a sub-culture, why don't you include them in your list of emo, goths, f@ggots?

Ok, fuk Neo-Nazis, emos, goth, f@ggots, etc. Happy now?
And I never posted "BS" about Armenia discriminating against ethnic minorities.

Well shiit, we gotta meet eachother half way

Wow, does that actually work? I mean meeting half-way. Last time Armenians met the Turks half-way we actually lost half of our population. No thanks.

then if we don't want to separate Armenians into groups, stop freaking out about peoples' individual human interests and maybe we'll be able to live together as Armenians without blaming the west

There is a difference between being weary of the west's motivates, and blaming them. Blaming is completely unproductive, but being proactive usually solves problems before they occur. It's better to protect our culture from western crap, rather then let it destroy our culture then whine about it when it's too late.

beating up an emo kid so we can feel more patriotic and good inside.

Did I say that? I assume you don't understand why the emo kids in the video were being beaten up. It's simple, used to happen a lot back home. The bigger kid could, and the emo were too sissy to do anything about it. Hell, we used to get in fights all the time. Everybody tests you. If you don't stand up once, you'll get beatings all your life. It's about self-respect. If you don't respect yourself you'll get your ass beaten (literally and/or figuratively) all your life. Those emo kids didn't respect themselves, if they did they would fight back, even if it meant a worse beating.

[levon]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

Don't worry, I reveal my mentality to the general dim witted public but they usually don't have the mental capacity to comprehend the complex politics of the world. I openly despise certain aspects of my host country as every democratic citizen should do. Squatting usually involves being an unproductive member of society whereas I have achieved more in half a life time than many westerners do over 4 generations.

You put bell in his place alright.

[jgk3]

Re: That joke of a country called Armenia?

I get what you are saying; however, for a second you need to step back and separate your ideas of westernized "human-rights" and the ability of Armenians to survive. A rich country such as the US with a large population can afford to have many sub-cultures as there will always be a large number of people willing to protect the American way of life.

At what point would Armenia be rich and populous enough to be able to afford sub-cultures? Russia is richer and more populous, and yet feels threatened by the west no less. China is the most populous country in the world, and they can be extremely heavy handed against some sub-cultures and religious followings and have been very anti-western up until the past decade. They also have the world's largest standing army. In my opinion, this has nothing to do with the size and strength of your country, it only has to do with the leadership and what kind of profile they are willing to accept for the masses they rule over.

Now, when an entire country is willing to accept the punishments inflicted by the state on a group or individual, that group or individual will naturally seek to defend themselves with support coming from outside the country. What then happens is that this group or individual will not only be brandished as following some heresy, they will also become traitors, and anyone who considers their point of view will be considering exactly that, heresy and treason.

Don't forget that sub-cultures divide the people. Emo kids identify first as emo rather than American. Similarly, feminists (and most women) identify first as women than Americans. Meaning, their main priorities are with their sub-culture rather than the country at large. This is great in America as dividing the country into sub-cultures makes it that much easier to gather votes. Now, ask yourself. Who drives these sub-cultures? Music, writers? Whatever it is, these people usually give priority to their sub-culture.

So what, I consider myself human before Armenian. I guess you can call that a super-culture. But in no way do I see how that gets in the way of my ethnic background, my language use and cultural knowledge, or the fact that I get involved with my family and church. But I am free to identify myself with anything really, I can identify myself as a fan of rock, metal, classical music... How would that bear any context with my identity as an Armenian?

I suppose the real criteria for why you're upset about emos is because they might seem like they aren't participating enough (at this stage in their lives) in Armenian society in the ways that you would wish. And of course, when we hear of some cases of suicide, then we, and not the emos, start to identify them with it.

Subcultures are just offshoots of mainstream cultures. In Armenia, I'm sure there's a soccer sub-culture, a metal sub-culture, gun clubs, etc... These don't divide the country, until the leadership decides that they are hazardous and measures are taken against the people who form one of those sub-cultures.

This would be disastrous to Armenia. If a sizable portion of the population belongs to a sub-culture (which would very likely be derived from the west), then Armenian will no longer belong to Armenians. It's a way to destroy the country from within. A sub-culture gives a fake identity to its followers. An Armenian kid would call him/herself an emo, and not Armenian, and thus be open to ideas that may be detrimental to the country as a whole, but will seem beneficial to him/her.

Sometimes, sacrifices must be made in order to preserve our culture. If making Armenian the only identity in Armenia is what's required, then I feel no shame in saying that Armenia needs no f@ggots, emo, goth, ...

Why can't the emo call him or herself an Armenian emo? The f@ggot an "Armenian homosexual"? Why can't identities be compounded? In my opinion, they indeed can be, but to others, because they don't want it to be possible for an Armenian to be those things, you can either be an Armenian, or a xxxxxx/emo/goth, etc... This in my opinion encourages adherents of sub-cultures to get even deeper into them, because now they are being seen as not welcome in mainstream, Armenian society. And the deeper they get into them, the more noise the state and its conservative followers will make against them. In my opinion, it's better to just leave them be and pretty much treat them like everyone else, with the same rights and obligations. Life is hard enough as it is, it's not like they have some kind of special freedom or advantage in society by doing their thing.

Here is the problem. Calling the goth, the emo, the whatever a minority immediately forces those people to identify themselves first as emo, goth, whatever, than Armenians. It's a very good tactic to separate nationalism from an individual. Introducing sub-cultures is the best way to kill patriotism and leave the country open.

These are not minorities, just kids who have no desire to be normal productive members of a society.

Well, if the real problem with these individuals is that they're not productive members of society, why didn't you say so? Why did we have to go through this whole song an dance about their identity, which is just as much fomented by the state cracking down on them?

Now, Armenia does have minorities, kurds, lezgis, russians, etc, however, Armenia DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST Kurds, Lezgis, Russians, and its other minorities Please don't post BS like that again.

Furthermore, lets refrain from using words such as "oppressor", "oppressed", blah. Those are just words to detriment a country. Armenia must remain FREE and most importantly ARMENIAN. If that means emo, goths, f@ggots cannot live freely then be it. The SURVIVAL of the Armenian state is MORE IMPORTANT than some punk lazy kids wanting to be losers.

I wonder... see, Neo-Nazis are also a sub-culture, why don't you include them in your list of emo, goths, f@ggots?
And I never posted "BS" about Armenia discriminating against ethnic minorities.

Again, lets not separate Armenians into groups, and yes, putting more attention to womens issues IS separating Armenians into groups. An Armenian is an Armenian, be it man or woman, and each has his or her own part in continuing the legacy of our ancestors. Western values divide the society into groups to make it easier to control. We don't need western bs invading Armenia.

Well shiit, we gotta meet eachother half way then if we don't want to separate Armenians into groups, stop freaking out about peoples' individual human interests and maybe we'll be able to live together as Armenians without blaming the west and beating up an emo kid so we can feel more patriotic and good inside.