Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

Nobody stops them learning Armenian language, finding out about Armenian History, enjoying Armenian culture or cuisine for that matter.
Also consider the Armenian religion as part of Armenian identity.

To avoid misunderstanding I was referring to Armenians.

Of coarse the reality is their predicament is the result of the fascist policies of the Turkish state in the first place.
I am presuming reference was to Hamshen Armenians.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

There are many muslim armenians who are interested in connecting with the rest of us but thanks to people like u they stay in a nomans land caught between those who enslave them and those who reject them.

Oh there are? The ones that are serious about reconnecting first off covert back to Christianity. For example, just a few weeks ago several "hidden Armenians" in Turkey converted to Christianity in an Armenian Church that was opened in the East.

'Muslim Armenian' is an anomaly - that identity simply doesn't exist and it shouldn't exist. Any Armenian that turned into a Muslim turned into a Turk. Not to mention the fact that such "Muslim Armenians" could pose a threat to our national security - Turkey could their common faith to make them infiltrate our country and one would question if their allegiance is to Islam/Allah first or to Armenia.

The main problem with this article is that it says "Muslim Armenian". Why? Why isn't the person labelled "Muslim Tatar"? I'm sure the father had to convert to Islam in order to marry the Tatar woman also.

Youngsters who come from otherwise strong Armenian families get attracted to Odar language mannerism,
communicate with each other in the language of the host country,
find Odar culture more attractive and worse of all find odar partners more desirable and
ultimately odar spouse to build semi Armenian family where the off springs are under unnecessary identity pressure as well as a choice,
usually the host countries identity wins in the long term.

Unless you meant some thing else your statement is absolute bull.

I wouldn't say that's true in every case. Yes, other cultures can be interesting and worth to look at, but that doesn't mean they are attractive to every person or its enough for the person to leave the culture they grew up with. I too find other cultures interesting, but that doesn't in any way make be distance my self from my Armenian culture.

[retro]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

So the world has one less Turk. Big deal.

Maybe he was killed by his fellow Torks for not being fanatically Islamist enough.

[Sip]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

So the world has one less Turk. Big deal.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

There are many muslim armenians who are interested in connecting with the rest of us but thanks to people like u they stay in a nomans land caught between those who enslave them and those who reject them.

What a ridicules statement.
No basis, No substance, No meaning.

A few facts of life to tear you statement apart.

No Armenian (including me !! ) is a door keeper to any Armenian connecting with his roots..

Nobody stops them learning Armenian language, finding out about Armenian History, enjoying Armenian culture or cuisine for that matter.
Also consider the Armenian religion as part of Armenian identity.

There is no test an Armenian has to go through to be decided he/she is an Armenian.
Its a personal thing that one feels, a spiritual link if you prefer.

Sadly the reality is just the opposite.

Youngsters who come from otherwise strong Armenian families get attracted to Odar language mannerism,
communicate with each other in the language of the host country,
find Odar culture more attractive and worse of all find odar partners more desirable and
ultimately odar spouse to build semi Armenian family where the off springs are under unnecessary identity pressure as well as a choice,
usually the host countries identity wins in the long term.

Unless you meant some thing else your statement is absolute bull.

[TomServo]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

Armenian village idiocy on full display.

Embarrassing.

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

the only thing remotely armenian about that guy was his last name, and even that he doesn't deserve. no tears shed here.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

There are many muslim armenians who are interested in connecting with the rest of us but thanks to people like u they stay in a nomans land caught between those who enslave them and those who reject them.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

His father is at fault if he raised him as a Muslim.

His father's fault was marrying "odar".
Everything starts from that.

To me there is no difference whether Muslim or Christian odar.
Its only aesthetics in the mind.

Its like saying its better to be run over and killed by a Rolls-Royce than a 20 year old Lada.

Both options lead to the same result.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian muslim cleric in russia murdered

Who? him or his father?

It also depends how he was brought up, under whose influence, father or mother.


Is his “job” incidental.

Would it have been “ok” if he was a mechanic or something?
Would you have treated him as an Armenian then?

Indeed was he an Armenian at all except by name?

Was a "victim" of living in the diaspora?

His father is at fault if he raised him as a Muslim. Though, even with that, this person should have converted back to Christianity given he identified himself as Armenian. It seems as he did since he kept his names.

Typical idiotic remarks of which i grow tired of in this forum.

Armenians converting to Islam is basically fulfilling the Genocidal wishes of the Turks. You cannot call yourself a Muslim and Armenian at the same time. It doesn't work.