Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Tell us than why did the azeris use the Harpy NG?

"The U.S. Navy's LOw-Cost Unmanned aerial vehicle Swarming Technology (LOCUST) is a prototype tube-launched UAV. "

http://www.defensetech.org/2016/01/0...m-this-summer/

US Navy and Warship are the key words here. I'd also like to point out that this is the US that is designing this. Are you seriously suggesting Armenia has anywhere near the capability? No. Not possible on our end.

"This weakness means it makes sense to attack a ship with a large number of cheap drones than one missile costing the same,"

...attack a ship

I'd like to point out that Armenia is a landlocked country and that taking down a warship requires much more powerful and expensive munitions. In this situation, it is beneficial for the US Navy. However, in ground-based operations this concept is not applicable and unnecessary. PGMs are nowhere near as a expensive or costly as a anti-ship missile and are much more precise and practical. They get the job done quickly too, especially if a UAV is present to laser-designate.

Precision guided mortar munitions is what we should be developing.

Old technology that works on the bearded guys with AK running in shet hole countries like Pakistan and the deserts of the Middle East. Iran landed one like a cake without even shooting it. Price? millions. Lost technology in the hand of the enemy? In the billions of research.

Now you are talking about anti-UAV tech...

Lmao, are you telling me PGMs are old technology? They are some of the most accurate and potent weapons a military could utilize. Do you have any idea how accurate unguided bombs are these days? Find out, and imagine precision guided munitions in action. They are not used against "bearded guys", in fact it is the UCAVs that you are so obsessed with that are used on those bearded guys in sh!t hole countries.

Iran used Avtobaza to bring down those drones. In fact....

Intercept/jamm enemy UAV operating frequency and let them crash........if possible take over the controls of UAVs and land them on our runway, or send it back to them with regards.

This has been done before and I think now we have a department dedicated to this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avtobaza

Armenia will be receiving this as part of the arms deal.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Lmao, are you telling me PGMs are old technology? They are some of the most accurate and potent weapons a military could utilize. Do you have any idea how accurate unguided bombs are these days? Find out, and imagine precision guided munitions in action. They are not used against "bearded guys", in fact it is the UCAVs that you are so obsessed with that are used on those bearded guys in sh!t hole countries.

Irrelevant how accurate a PGM is on a plane/UAV when the plane/UAV can be taken down by a decent army and not some bearded AK guys. Reason no one flew any during the 4 day war.
Where was PGM on a drone used other than the half azz idiots of the desert? Let them use it on China? Iran? Armenia? see what will happen. Yugoslavia took one down 20 some years ago with an old radar.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Precision guided mortar munitions is what we should be developing.

Agree 100% with you on this one

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Azad jan, the N-2 is a static short-range MLRS that uses thermobaric RPG warheads. Its impossible for it to be even connected to the field of UAVs/UCAVs and even UGVs. (UAV can conduct target acquisition for the men operating the N-2, however that wouldn't even be necessary considering the range of the system. Thats as far as it goes) Its rocket artillery.

RPG warheads

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Irrelevant how accurate a PGM is on a plane/UAV when the plane/UAV can be taken down by a decent army and not some bearded AK guys. Reason no one flew any during the 4 day war.
Where was PGM on a drone used other than the half azz idiots of the desert? Let them use it on China? Iran? Armenia? see what will happen. Yugoslavia took one down 20 some years ago with an old radar.

You seem to be very confused, now you are talking about PGMs on drones. (Which do exist, mainly on UCAVs.) That is not what I am talking about. I am saying it is better to invest in PGMs and UAVs (for target acquisition) than to invest in kamikaze drones, fantasies, etc. UCAVs with guided missiles have not been used on a formal military yet. However, PGMs on manned aircraft have. When it comes to counter-insurgency, UCAVs are very very useful. When it comes to conventional and symmetrical warfare, they are nowhere near as a effective as coordinate artillery and guided munitions. They are still way more effective than some kamikaze drone with a RPG warhead. (Which would be very ineffective against modern MBTs, even if you hit their top turret armor)

Side note: The Harop is designed for SEAD missions. The Azeris used it on a bus and some armored vehicles.

PGM - Precision Guided Munition. Its not restricted to planes or aircraft. There are guided artillery shells and mortars that we could develop and are just as effective.

The Serbs took down an F117 (manned stealth aircraft) using an S-125 Pechora. Was not a drone.

RPG warheads

That is adorable, however severely flawed and unlikely to even see consideration by the Russian military. If that copter came anywhere near an armored column or a convoy, it would be torn apart by infantry before it could actually maneuver and meet its target. Its low-flying and very loud. What also has to be taken into consideration is the fact that its weapon is a disposable RPG-18 or RPG-22. (Which are quite difficult to range as well. The cam on the drone acting as an aiming mechanism makes it even worse.) That means one shot. If it misses, the copter is gone and useless.

Call of Duty inspired Russian military PR team probably came up with the idea. Unlikely that the rocket would even be effective against an armored vehicle above the level of an MT-LB.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

That is adorable, however severely flawed and unlikely to even see consideration by the Russian military. If that copter came anywhere near an armored column or a convoy, it would be torn apart by infantry before it could actually maneuver and meet its target. Its low-flying and very loud. What also has to be taken into consideration is the fact that its weapon is a disposable RPG-18 or RPG-22. (Which are quite difficult to range as well. The cam on the drone acting as an aiming mechanism makes it even worse.) That means one shot. If it misses, the copter is gone and useless.

Call of Duty inspired Russian military PR team probably came up with the idea. Unlikely that the rocket would even be effective against an armored vehicle above the level of an MT-LB.

The point, it is a good entry with off the shelf items for short distance trench wars. Ideal for taking back the hills around Talish. Ideal to start an industry and to prove to you I was not wrong with what I was saying. I am sure it will do better than the Harop SEAD missions. You are talking of systems that will take millions of dollars and years to develop. We need something now, economical, precision targets for short distance.

The Serbs took down an F117 (manned stealth aircraft) using an S-125 Pechora. Was not a drone.

It was in reference to any "Stealth aircraft" be it drone or aircraft. That the "Stealth" part would work only with idiots.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If that copter came anywhere near an armored column or a convoy, it would be torn apart by infantry before it could actually maneuver and meet its target.

Don't be too sure. We have seen the azeris running when drones were used for shelling. If you consider the ideal situations yes it can be torn apart the $2000 drone. I would be more worried of radio jamming than being torn apart but then it is couple thousand dollars build in Armenia and there are 100 of them behind it.

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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[ASALA2116]

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This might be a stupid question. But in all honesty are Western Armenians genetically builter then Eastern Armenians. Put western society fast food aside, in general Western Armenians are taller. I'm looking at these soldiers and there frame is small. If I was standing next to them , we look so different from one another and that goes for a lot of Armenians who are from Kikikia etc.
My wife is Karabaghtsi and no one in the family including cousins are taller then 178 cm. I'm 180 and they think I'm really tall. Lol.

[ASALA2116]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If I was to incorporate an idea , I would firstly put some night vision/daylight sensors to pick up any movement on the border lines. Border patrol guards quickly evaluate the threat and destroy it with a device strong enough to wipe out anything that stands in its path. I would say something like the Gatling. We really don't need to lose lives when you have technology. The Armenian/Azerbaijan border is not so big so I would be thinking about testing such an idea out. The product should be designed and made at home. So basically next time another blitzkrieg style is going to happen, Azerbaijan lose all its soldiers within a few seconds.