Serge the traitor

[Federation]

Re: serje the traitor

But, I think that we should make Serje feel a lot of hostility and hatred.

BRAVO, French-Armenians!

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Violent Protests In Paris Greet Armenian President

(AP) - Violent protests broke out Friday at the start of Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian's tour of Armenian communities worldwide, with demonstrators in Paris shouting "traitor!" at him and decrying his plans to establish ties with Turkey.



Sarkisian embarked on the tour - which will also take him to the United States, Russia and Lebanon - to seek support for his landmark bid for diplomatic ties with Turkey after a century of enmity. But at least 200 protesters from the Armenian Diaspora in France showed up at a public appearance in Paris.



Riot police fought back belligerent demonstrators, a few dozen of whom shouted "No!" and punched riot shields. Police dragged several protesters away kicking and screaming. Sarkisian later put in a brief appearance, walking past protesters shouting through bullhorns.



The killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire has been the main barrier to reconciliation with Turkey. Armenians have long fought to persuade other governments to consider it a genocide. Turkey rejects the label and says the death toll is inflated.



The scuffles Friday erupted at a memorial event at a monument to an Armenian priest and composer targeted in the massacres. Earlier in the day, Sarkisian had lunch in Paris with crooner Charles Aznavour, one of France's most famous Armenians, before meeting with members of the vocal Armenian community here, Sarkisian's spokesman Samvel Farmanian said.



After Paris, Sarkisian is set to continue what is dubbed a "pan-Armenian tour" with visits to New York, Los Angeles, Beirut and Rostov-on-Don in Russia to discuss a planned meeting Oct. 10 when the Turkish and Armenian foreign ministers are expected to sign the deal to establish ties.



Armenians abroad - estimated at 5.7 million – outnumber the 3.2 million living in Armenia itself, the smallest of the ex-Soviet republics. The largest communities are in Russia (2 million), the United States (1.4 million), Georgia (460,000) and France (450,000), according to government data.

http://www.armenialiberty.org/content/article/1842277.html

[Haykakan]

Re: serje the traitor

That's a tough pill to swallow. I think it's because we were never united.

I am sure we have been united at times throughout our long history but unity is hampered by different forces pulling on you just like they are today. What the big powers wana do and what many armenians want is not the same thing thus it is hard to stay united when you have so many conflicts of intersts due to different powers playing to different parts of our society. I think that unity is important but look at how different the perspectives are of the forum members here. I think we all need to unite behind Armenias government and help it improve our country while some here want the president dead. If everyone sees the facts you would expect everyone to reach the same conclusions but people don't think alike so...
It is geogrophy that has hurt our vison of a greater Armenia from existing not lack of unity. Also it must be stated that unity is only good if your are united for the right things based on logic, being united about diving off a cliff is hardly a good thing.

[KanadaHye]

Re: serje the traitor

The reason our country is not big anymore has nothing to do with bad governance but more with location location location. Armenia sits on land everyone wants to control and those who try wear it down over a loong period of time. Had our homeland been in a less important part of the world we would have faired differently. When you are in a continuous state of war you are bound to eventually lose...

That's a tough pill to swallow. I think it's because we were never united.

[Haykakan]

Re: serje the traitor

The last Tasmanian Aborigine died in 1876.
I am sure she did not lose her culture or her sense of being (an Aborigine) till her death.

Armenians are not comparable to Aborigines in culture or out look etc.

They had a longer existence than Armenians.
However a time came in history where they were unable to cope with the external and real threat ( the white man).
This example can be applied to many nations in history who are now referred to as simply people such as the Assyrians etc.

We have a history of approximately 3000 years.
Why is it that Armenians worldwide are only 7-8 million despite our such long existence. With more than half outside the country they refer as homeland with an area one tenth its claimed size

Surely as a nation we must have been doing something wrong.
There could be many reasons, enemies we could not cope to defend against, bad governance, bad luck?

So not losing culture although very important and central to our identity, is not the only guarantor in the next 100, 200 years and beyond.

The reason our country is not big anymore has nothing to do with bad governance but more with location location location. Armenia sits on land everyone wants to control and those who try wear it down over a loong period of time. Had our homeland been in a less important part of the world we would have faired differently. When you are in a continuous state of war you are bound to eventually lose...

[Haykakan]

Re: serje the traitor

[QUOTE=bell-the-cat;281149]A question to the moderators and owners of this forum - are they happy to permit posts advocating the assasination of the president of Armenia? And are they happy to allow this forum to be used a platform for those proposing such crimes? And if the answers to both those questions are "yes", will they be happy for me to cite their position in the future.[/QUOTE

This is probably the only time i find myself in agreement with bell.

[KanadaHye]

Re: serje the traitor

A question to the moderators and owners of this forum - are they happy to permit posts advocating the assasination of the president of Armenia? And are they happy to allow this forum to be used a platform for those proposing such crimes? And if the answers to both those questions are "yes", will they be happy for me to cite their position in the future.

Shhhh... the CIA, KGB, and British SIS are roaming these forums. Keep it down.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: serje the traitor

I hate to say this, but I'm afraid the only way out is to take out the midget....

A question to the moderators and owners of this forum - are they happy to permit posts advocating the assasination of the president of Armenia? And are they happy to allow this forum to be used a platform for those proposing such crimes? And if the answers to both those questions are "yes", will they be happy for me to cite their position in the future.

[londontsi]

Re: serje the traitor

I have to say we Armenians have been under
foreign ruler for centuries, but we've never lost our
culture nor our sense of being.

The last Tasmanian Aborigine died in 1876.
I am sure she did not lose her culture or her sense of being (an Aborigine) till her death.

Armenians are not comparable to Aborigines in culture or out look etc.

They had a longer existence than Armenians.
However a time came in history where they were unable to cope with the external and real threat ( the white man).
This example can be applied to many nations in history who are now referred to as simply people such as the Assyrians etc.

We have a history of approximately 3000 years.
Why is it that Armenians worldwide are only 7-8 million despite our such long existence. With more than half outside the country they refer as homeland with an area one tenth its claimed size

Surely as a nation we must have been doing something wrong.
There could be many reasons, enemies we could not cope to defend against, bad governance, bad luck?

So not losing culture although very important and central to our identity, is not the only guarantor in the next 100, 200 years and beyond.

[KanadaHye]

Re: serje the traitor

I hate this whole turkish/armenia talk crap thing,
but I have to say we Armenians have been under
foreign ruler for centuries, but we've never lost our
culture nor our sense of being.

Some of us haven't....

[Icy]

Re: serje the traitor

I hate this whole turkish/armenia talk crap thing,
but I have to say we Armenians have been under
foreign ruler for centuries, but we've never lost our
culture nor our sense of being.