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Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Originally posted by KarotheGreat View PostDo you think it is normal that a person gets executed for owning a porn website? What right does your government have to decide these kind of things, if a man can own a porn site or not and execute a person for it.
SOMEBODY FIX THE FORUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Originally posted by Persopolis View PostI'll title this response "Then & Now." The middle quote is by an Armenian anthropologist in Persian - I know what it says.
What happens when you mix lemon juice with lemon juice for centuries? You get more lemon juice.
What happens when you mix lemon juice with vodka? You get drunk and forget history.
I'll make sure you understand my position in a very detailed blog on the subject that will address family trees on both sides of the iron curtain; I won't fully attempt it on this thread, as several individuals don't like to use the quote button and run interference. I'll make sure to leave a link when I am done.
Perhaps the oldest picture of Perso-Armenians. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fergalflannery/1733509090/
By your own admission you've never been to Iran: How would you know what was "random" in Iran or not; what % of the population in your mind has to intermarry before it's no longer random; and what studies are you relying on?
Yes, Iranian-Armenians (the ones that existed for centuries) tended to intermarry with other Iranians (including from a time predating Christianity and Islam and up to the present date); they were "insular" in the sense that they did not intermarry with Russians or other people from the Soviet Republics. In that sense Iranian-Armenians were "insular" and un-Russified for centuries.
Iranian-Armenian Women:
On the other hand, at the start of the 19th Century, Armenia-SSR started becoming a mixed both genetically and culturally (assimilated) - which moved the tiny population in Yerevan further and further away the original Armenian culture and gene pool.
Quotes like yours below are contrary to what people have seen with the own eyes as women are trafficked into parts of Russia and Dubai from Yerevan.
G-Rated Photo of some of the "Insular" propensities Armenians Fostered in Yerevan and Armenia-SSR:
This above-type of assimilation and behavior is encouraged in Yerevan as thousands of Armenian women are trafficked to other countries to this day - some of which is encouraged by corrupt police officers with ties to the Russian mob. I promise you that Iran discourages Iranian-Armenian from assimilating in this manner; while prostitution is a problem everywhere, Iran hangs people that traffick in women and girls, and particularly shields Iranian-Armenian women from it in ways that Yerevan doesn't.
When my blog is posted, I will also take you through the number of pogroms and rapes against the tiny Armenian population in Armenia-SSR and the effects, both genetically and culturally, and give Armenians a factually accurate portrayal of assimilation in Armenia-SSR. Iranian-Armenian women are discouraged from activities prevalent in Yerevan.
No one gives a xxxx about your blog
WARNING NOT FOR THE WEAK-HEARTED - (Sex Trafficking of Armenian Women and Girls from Yerevan) :
http://www.xvideos.com/video614352/a...th_russian_guy
"There have been women from Armenia in the United Arab Emirates ever since the early 1990's, when flights started between Yerevan and Dubai. ... "For the past two years, dealers in the sex trade have been transporting women under 31 to Dubai through Russia , mainly through Moscow and Krasnodar . There, they are given false passports, which state their age as over 31." (See U.N. Sub-Com. Report on Children’s Trafficking in Armenia.)
Buyer Beware:
Moses, while trafficking women and girls for porn and prostitution is a problem in every country, let me remind you how a Persian will deal with anyone that does that to OUR Persian-Armenian women.
* "Iranian web developer faces death over porn site charges." http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_611188.html
* "On Monday, March 13th, the Iranian regime executed Ms. Adiva Mirza-Soleiman was of the xxxish faith who along with her Armenian husband, Varouzhan Petrossian" http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_611188.html
I would also ask Armenians to pay particular attention to people like Mos that attempt to pretend to be against assimilation while privately pushing the opposite agenda; and to beware of those who publicly pretend to be religious while pushing another agenda; and who spend their time online attempting to discredit the shared family-ties of people.
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Originally posted by Persopolis View PostI'll title this response "Then & Now." The middle quote is by an Armenian anthropologist in Persian - I know what it says.
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Man I cannot figure you out. I asked you what is your real objective here in PM and didn't get an answer. I ask you again....what is your objective here as a Persian.
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
No, Armenians living in Iran are not ethnic Persian or any other Iranic group. I am speaking of the majority here, not the few exceptions that have come about via mixed marriages.
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Re: Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
Some Iranian-Armenians I have seen look more Iranian than Armenian
It is clear there was some intermixing over the centuries
Armenians were living in Iran before the forced exile from the Nakhichevan area to
Nor Jugha (Isfahan) 400 years ago
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Originally posted by Persopolis View PostThis above-type of assimilation and behavior is encouraged in Yerevan as thousands of Armenian women
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Are Iranian-Armenians Iranian? What is Armenian Assimilation?
INDEX: AFTER READING THIS, JUMP TO POSTS #15 through #18 TO SEE MY RESPONSES TO THE IN-BETWEEN COMMENTS BELOW - I QUOTED THE OTHER USERS; AND RESPONDED TO ON-TOPIC COMMENTS.
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Originally posted by Eddo211 View PostIranian Armenians only mixed with other Armenians (past, present, future).
Originally posted by ArmSurvival View PostI think in your effort to show a deep historic connection between Armenians and Iranians you made the mistake of overstepping and claiming Armenians are an Iranic people.
What happens when you mix lemon juice with vodka? You get drunk and forget history.
I'll make sure you understand my position in a very detailed blog on the subject that will address family trees on both sides of the iron curtain; I won't fully attempt it on this thread, as several individuals don't like to use the quote button and run interference. I'll make sure to leave a link when I am done.
Perhaps the oldest picture of Perso-Armenians. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fergalflannery/1733509090/
Originally posted by Mos View PostA few random Armenians mixing with Persians doesn't mean anything, and as I've said Armenians tend to be very insular.
More important, while I respect Eddo, the truth matters.
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Originally posted by Eddo211 View PostIranian Armenians only mixed with other Armenians (past, present, future).
Originally posted by Mos View PostArmenians tend to be very insular.
Iranian-Armenian Women:
On the other hand, at the start of the 19th Century, Armenia/SSR started becoming a mixed both genetically and culturally (assimilated) - which moved the tiny population in Yerevan further and further away the original Armenian culture and gene pool.
Quotes like yours below are contrary to what people have seen with the own eyes as women are trafficked into parts of Russia and Dubai from Yerevan.
Originally posted by Mos View PostArmenia is the place where this danger [assimilation] doesn't exist [!] and where Armenian society can exist unrestricted.
This above-type of assimilation and behavior is encouraged in Yerevan as thousands of Armenian women are trafficked to other countries to this day - some of which is encouraged by corrupt police officers with ties to the Russian mob. I promise you that Iran discourages Iranian-Armenian from assimilating in this manner; while prostitution is a problem everywhere, Iran hangs people that traffick in women and girls, and particularly shields Iranian-Armenian women from it in ways that Yerevan doesn't.
When my blog is posted, I will also take you through the number of pogroms and rapes against the tiny Armenian population in Armenia-SSR and the effects, both genetically and culturally, and give Armenians a factually accurate portrayal of assimilation in Armenia-SSR. Iranian-Armenian women are discouraged from activities prevalent in Yerevan.
WARNING NOT FOR THE WEAK-HEARTED - (Sex Trafficking of Armenian Women and Girls from Yerevan) :
http://www.xvideos.com/video614352/a...th_russian_guy
"There have been women from Armenia in the United Arab Emirates ever since the early 1990's, when flights started between Yerevan and Dubai. ... "For the past two years, dealers in the sex trade have been transporting women under 31 to Dubai through Russia , mainly through Moscow and Krasnodar . There, they are given false passports, which state their age as over 31." (See U.N. Sub-Com. Report on Children’s Trafficking in Armenia.)
The "Insular" Qualities of Those Who Are "Against" Assimilation.
Mos, you show 2 faces: perhaps you forgot the emails you sent to me asking for assistance in finding a Persian girl you can marry?
Originally posted by MosParskahye girl? You should give me advice for meeting a Persian girl As a Armenian, I should have no problem meeting Parskahye's.
Originally posted by Mos View PostArmenians tend to be very insular.
And I agree with you that you are "not very religious" though you pretend to be in your public posts to try to distract people from the issues.
Originally posted by Mos...being family oriented, having steady job, and being honest is all very important. I am not very religious,... for wife I would chose Iranian ....Originally posted by Mos View PostThe Armenian Church is the most important part of the Armenian identity.
Originally posted by Mos View PostNot many people in Armenia are that religious, due to Soviet Union....
Moses, while trafficking women and girls for porn and prostitution is a problem in every country, let me remind you how a Persian will deal with anyone that does that to OUR Persian-Armenian women.
* "Iranian web developer faces death over porn site charges." http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_611188.html
* "On Monday, March 13th, the Iranian regime executed Ms. Adiva Mirza-Soleiman was of the xxxish faith who along with her Armenian husband, Varouzhan Petrossian" http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_611188.html
I would also ask Armenians to pay particular attention to people like Mos that attempt to pretend to be against assimilation while privately pushing the opposite agenda; and to beware of those who publicly pretend to be religious while pushing another agenda; and who spend their time online attempting to discredit the shared family-ties of people.
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