US-Armenia relations

[lampron]

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I felt that I needed to express my concern about the Resolution (HR565 March 7 2013) passed by the House of Representatives in Texas with respect to the events that took place in Khojaly in 1992 during the Nagorno-Karabakh war. I was very surprised to discover that the House had chosen to make a public statement in support of Azerbaijan on an event that is enshrouded in much controversy.

http://www.artsakh.org.uk/

[Eddo211]

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You are naive. The US will use Armenia's position to put pressure, to make it move away from a pro-Russian orientation

US has been putting pressure on Armenia for a long time to move away from Russian orbit, nothing knew, all parties know this.......Also say if it happens Turkey will block Armenia in NATO and noway Armenia will be in EU before Turks. If that happens the Turks turkishness will be insulted to worst degree.

Like Artsakhes and Hakob have explained clearly.....thats how it is.

[Hakob]

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Good stuff there Hakob. I hope something good comes out of this meeting.

The only good stuff that will come out will be even more hardening of our positions in regards to Artsakh. And azeris gave us very good opportunity for it.

[Haykakan]

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Good stuff there Hakob. I hope something good comes out of this meeting.

[Hakob]

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The US game is to prevent russian advancement and control over former soviet republics as much as possible. The biggest agenda is the destruction of Russian federation and creation of multiple dependent states on it's current territory.
In this context, US does not want to allow collapse of any of former USSR republics, because the last resort those countries will do is to solicit and accept total Russian domination just like in the time of formation of USSR. Because russia will use inter government or ethnic rivalries in it's advantage. Or in the case of Ukraine, the country will be devastated at the end and become a financial burden as west just found out.
US knows that if in case Armenia cannot guarantee it's own safety, or in time of war will loose the control (Turkey being active in it or not) our last resort will be to accept membership in Russian federation in order to survive.
This, however strange, is not what Russia really wants. It wants instead an economic and strategic block under it's hegemony. Once in soviet union, russians learned their lessons of the weight of keeping those republics in line and at piece. They don't want this. They don't want to create and put their national resources in something that can collapse in future. But they want a block of countries that will be economically interconnected just like EU and strategically partners which will also be a surrounding friendly buffer zone.
US knows that in case of sanctions on Armenia, it will hasten the process of our Russian integration. After all, if there was no Artsakh problem and we had friendly relations with Azerbaijan, and Turkey would have subsequently opened borders, the Russian army or economic partnership would hardly exist for us. We would run to EU faster than Georgians.
This is a game between both superpowers, where we and baku play hard to get for any side.
But in this game, Azeris have the wealth and are keeping more independent stand.
We, on the other hand knew that russia holds the ace in it's hand. It can provide armaments to our enemy, and since US will never take the role of protector or supplier for us because of turks, it can swing our orientation on it's way. This is what happened.
Our government went as far as was possible towards west. Even with sept 3 earthquake, US still knows that in case of pure economic interests we would prefer EU. Why break that?
There have to be reason big enough for US to change it's stand towards Armenia. Maybe that will happen if a hot confrontation breaks up between US/Russia. But now, Armenia is not a big determining factor in US /Russia struggle. Look, Belarus and Kazakhistan are much more important, but unless the Ukraine case is solved, US will not start putting pressure on those countries either.
The only problem is if Russia wants to use Artsakh as a bait to bring in Azerbaijan.
Now this has to be looked at deeply. In this process, I don't think that Russia's plans are like what some of our opposition says, that russia has sold Artsakh to Baku already, that some kind of secret agreement exists between baku and moscow. Nothing like that can be likely, because in case of satisfaction of Azerbaijan, baku would loose any interest into russian partnership instantly. The billions that Azerbaijan receives, come from west. That is the lifeline that russia can never replace and it's importance we can hardly imagine. Lets put it this way. Soviet union basically created Azerbaijan and kept it prosperous in those years. And right at the collapse of USSR, so did Azerbaijan partially. Those internal pressures still exist and without oil money will cause it to explode.
The only way that azerbaijan can exist and survive without western oil money under russian control is as a member of that state which, I think no azery would want.
We on the other hand don't have that internal problems. The only way russia can keep us as a client state is by keeping the satus quo in Artsakh.
There is going to be a meeting in Sochi between Serj and aliev under russian sponsorship. The only thing that can be discussed is some bartering of positions of Yerevan, Moscow and Baku. This is in connection of EEU and Ukraine as well. Russia wants to guarantee the safety of it's positions in caucasus as the situation becomes more tense with west over Ukraine.
In heading this meeting, Aliev hoped that some successful incursions on borders and some heavy losses in our army would make us softer and strengthen baku's hand in negotiations.
But our army and our resolve pretty much shuffled the cards all over. That is our strength.
It is becoming more and more apparent for all the players, US, Russia, Turkey and especially Azerbaijan, that the economic hardships do not really reflect in Armenia's resolve in military confrontation for Artsakh.
We are doing everything we have to, to convince those that our dedication to Artsakh is not weakening and any attempt at changing the status quo will be very costly for all sides. That's all we can.
Good job Hay zinvorner.

[Artashes]

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Why should Armenia be an exception? The US aim is to bring all former Soviet republics into the US/EU sphere of influence. Precedent does not mean it must continue

Precedent does not mean it - must - continue.
For the reasons the USA has turned a blind eye to Armenia's dealings with both Russia and Iran in the past.
That is why Armenia has virtually always been the exception with regards USA policy.
As Eddo pointed out, the USA as standard procedure uses this rhetoric, but nothing will come of it.
Watch and see.
The USA aim is to bring all former soviet republics into USA/euro sphere...
Everyone knows that. Ain't gonna happen. Armenia knows USA is kissin hominoids ass & offering Armenia a candy coated poisen pill.
Dispite the fact that every fool thinks Armenia is Russia's lap dog, Hayastan is playing a very tough hand with all major players and utilizes that sovereign (however tenuous) it has incredibly well under the circumstances.
The precedences are for a reason. USA is intimately familiar with what happened 1915/23 and Hamidan/Adana. Dispite their refusal to call a spade a spade they know a spade when they see one.
And they know they are wrong and fraudulent in their dealings.
It's our survival and they know that.
They ain't gonna do jack sh-it and we are gonna stand tough.
Everybody in the know knows that.
Let them run their mouths. Who gives a fk.

[lampron]

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Disagree. Eddo's evaluation is correct. That is -- standard -- USA conduct & the USA is highly familiar with Armenia's geopoliticle situation and has numerous precedents for turning a blind eye to Armenia's cooperation with Russia due to their understanding of our reality.
The USA is -- NOT -- going to (make) lol Armenia move away from pro Russian ... Nobody in USA state dept entertains such naive fantasies.

Why should Armenia be an exception? The US aim is to bring all former Soviet republics into the US/EU sphere of influence. Precedent does not mean it must continue

[Artashes]

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Standard procedure for every US embassy to announce sanctions against another country......the reality will be nothing will change and US won't make a big fuss about it knowing Armenia's geopolitical position and under blockade from two fronts.

You are naive. The US will use Armenia's position to put pressure, to make it move away from a pro-Russian orientation

Disagree. Eddo's evaluation is correct. That is -- standard -- USA conduct & the USA is highly familiar with Armenia's geopoliticle situation and has numerous precedents for turning a blind eye to Armenia's cooperation with Russia due to their understanding of our reality.
The USA is -- NOT -- going to (make) lol Armenia move away from pro Russian ... Nobody in USA state dept entertains such naive fantasies.

[lampron]

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Standard procedure for every US embassy to announce sanctions against another country......the reality will be nothing will change and US won't make a big fuss about it knowing Armenia's geopolitical position and under blockade from two fronts.

You are naive. The US will use Armenia's position to put pressure, to make it move away from a pro-Russian orientation

[Eddo211]

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Standard procedure for every US embassy to announce sanctions against another country......the reality will be nothing will change and US won't make a big fuss about it knowing Armenia's geopolitical position and under blockade from two fronts.