gor blimey

[Lucin]

Re: gor blimey

I have checked, why don't you quote what you think is the continuous form/aspect - i.e. a syntactic construct, not a semantic usage?

So, now you are doing some modifications on what you had said previously and rephrasing it the way it pleases you. Nice try! Let me quote you what you had said previously, again and answer it:

the continuous aspect/form is missing in Armenian - in all tenses.

You may agree that what is referred to as continuous 'form' is not a mode ( unlike conditional or subjunctive or indicative) but it may be considered a form which is being represented by tenses – past, present, future- the present does not exist as a separate tense- the future exists in my opinion but didn't find anything on the given site- the past definitely exists:

Section 148:

Նա գնացել է տուն:
He went home.
Ես աշխատում էի պարտեզում:
I was working in the garden.
Դուք լսեցիք իմ ընկերոջ ձայնը:
You heard my friend's voice.

First of all, maybe you should read a bit more carefully, before you "pull the trigger???"
Second of all, in Eastern Armenian, it is "Ես կքայլեմ," not "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" - two errors!!!

LOL, first of all, it is not "Ես կքայլեմ," in Eastern Armenian, it is "Ես կը քայլեմ " - 'ք' is a consonant so we definitely need a 'ը' and then a space, second of all when have I said "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" ?? Two errors, right?

Third of all, failing to make enough effort to consult a reference while being pompously pretentious can be considered as a lack of courtesy.

So? You made a similar error Siamanto, right above. What is the problem? May I remind you as well to read/ check carefully before you pull the trigger?? Again no relevance to a "pretentious" attitude.

Yes! Thanks for the correction. I can't type in Armenian, so I cut and paste - it's error prone.

It is understandable. We are all error prone.

I certainly practice what I preach! The focus was not the "յ" - i.e. the spelling of "Քալել/Քայլել," it was the conditional mode vs. the future tense. Can't you stay focused???

I am certainly focused but the error you made as "little" as it may sound to you, it leads to confusion as clearly it is a switch to Western Armenian where you guys say: Քալելու եմ.

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The following is probably another mistake in this site: for both I listened and I was listening it suggests only լսում էի in Armenian, while one should be; լսեցի/ I listened and the other լսում էի/ I was listening:

Section 151
The past imperfective tense shows an action that happened in the past. It is formed by means of the present participle and personal forms of the auxiliary verb of the past tense.
Singular Plural
1. լսում էի I listened/was listening 1. լսում էինք we listened/were listening 2. լսում էիր you listened 2. լսում էիք you listened 3. լսում էր he listened 3. լսում էին they listened
1. գնում էի I went/was going 1. գնում էինք we went/were going 2. գնում էիր you went 2. գնում էիք you went 3. գնում էր he went 3. գնում էին they went

[womble]

Re: gor blimey

The "a" (ա) in Eastern Armenian that person referred to is the "e" (է) in Western Armenian.

Example:

He is a soldier

Eastern Arm - Նա զինվորա (transliteration - na zinvora)

Western Arm - Ան զինվոր է (transliteration - an zinvor e, as in the "e" in elephant)

Thanks, Armenian.

[Armenian]

Re: gor blimey

Լուսին ջան, կարոտում էի քեզ: Ինչպես՞ ես: Վերջերս շատ չես երեվում այս քայկում, հուսամ ամենինչ լաւ է քո հետ: Համենայն դեպս, այս «Սիամանթո» կոչվաձի հետ վիճելը ամբողչովին անիմաստ բան է: Ինչպես բոլորս տեսնումենք նրա վերաբերմունքից, ակնհայտ է որ նա լուրջ հոգեկան հիվանդութիւն կամ խանգարում ունի: Մի խոսքով - առի ցեխին քար չ'գցենք:

[Siamanto]

Re: gor blimey

Լուսին ջան, կարոտում էի քեզ: Ինչպես՞ ես: Վերջերս շատ չես երեվում այս քայկում, հուսամ ամենինչ լաւ է քո հետ: Համենայն դեպս, այս «Սիամանթո» կոչվաձի հետ վիճելը ամբողչովին անիմաստ բան է: Ինչպես բոլորս տեսնումենք նրա վերաբերմունքից, ակնհայտ է որ նա լուրջ հոգեկան հիվանդութիւն կամ խանգարում ունի: Մի խոսքով - առի ցեխին քար չ'գցենք:

Just curious, does it make you feel better to delete a previously posted message to immediately repost it at the end? The psychologist in me is a bit intrigued and amused.

[Siamanto]

Re: gor blimey

No, the continuous form/aspect does not exist in Armenian, regardless of the tense. We had the same conversation before and you failed to provide a single reference where it is said that the continuous form/aspect exists in Askharapar.

You said the continuous form is missing in all tenses whereas it is not missing in all tenses, even according to your given reference. Check it out once again.

I have checked, why don't you quote what you think is the continuous form/aspect - i.e. a syntactic construct, not a semantic usage?

No, it is "Ես կը քալեմ" is Western Armenian. Please be wise - and courteous - enough to double check before you display your ignorance with such confidence, and take the risk of misinforming others. If you're too lazy to consult a reference, then it suffices to google!

First of all, I just noticed the word "western" and that you were referring to the Western Armenian ( I wouldn't say a word about the Western Dialect since I'm not familiar with it), second of all, LOL, what's it got to do with 'courtesy'??

First of all, maybe you should read a bit more carefully, before you "pull the trigger???"
Second of all, in Eastern Armenian, it is "Ես կքայլեմ," not "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" - two errors!!!
Third of all, failing to make enough effort to consult a reference while being pompously pretentious can be considered as a lack of courtesy.

First of all, the conditional mode does not require an if condition; you are confusing the conditional mode and the conditional sentence. It is a mode, just like the subjunctive, to express the disposition of the subject (of the verb.)

Yes, but you hadn't specified that you were talking about the mode.

LOL Nice one! I see that you kept your "sense of humor?????" When verb syntax is in question, do you think that the focus would be the conditional mode or the conditional sentence?

Most of all, the future, in Eastern Armenian, is "քալելու եմ."

LOL, What??? "Քալելու եմ" in Eastern Armenian??? No, it is "Քայլելու եմ".

Yes! Thanks for the correction. I can't type in Armenian, so I cut and paste - it's error prone.

And don't you think you've got to practice what you preach?? And not display ignorance with such confidence??

I certainly practice what I preach! The focus was not the "յ" - i.e. the spelling of "Քալել/Քայլել," it was the conditional mode vs. the future tense. Can't you stay focused???

[Lucin]

Re: gor blimey

No, the continuous form/aspect does not exist in Armenian, regardless of the tense. We had the same conversation before and you failed to provide a single reference where it is said that the continuous form/aspect exists in Askharapar.

You said the continuous form is missing in all tenses whereas it is not missing in all tenses, even according to your given reference. Check it out once again.

No, it is "Ես կը քալեմ" is Western Armenian. Please be wise - and courteous - enough to double check before you display your ignorance with such confidence, and take the risk of misinforming others. If you're too lazy to consult a reference, then it suffices to google!

First of all, I just noticed the word "western" and that you were referring to the Western Armenian ( I wouldn't say a word about the Western Dialect since I'm not familiar with it), second of all, LOL, what's it got to do with 'courtesy'??

First of all, the conditional mode does not require an if condition; you are confusing the conditional mode and the conditional sentence. It is a mode, just like the subjunctive, to express the disposition of the subject (of the verb.)

Yes, but you hadn't specified that you were talking about the mode.

Most of all, the future, in Eastern Armenian, is "քալելու եմ."

LOL, What??? "Քալելու եմ" in Eastern Armenian??? No, it is "Քայլելու եմ". And don't you think you've got to practice what you preach?? And not display ignorance with such confidence??

[Armenian]

Re: gor blimey

The obsessive psychobabbling he/she strikes again!!!

I'll go find some pills to throw at it...

Do you people see what I have to go through here?

[Siamanto]

Re: gor blimey

LOL, the continuous form does not exist in all tenses in Armenian??? It does exist, at least in the past ( I'm not sure about the present) Here are some examples:

գրում էի/ քայլում էի/ նայում էի / կարդում էի եւ այլն:

No, the continuous form/aspect does not exist in Armenian, regardless of the tense. We had the same conversation before and you failed to provide a single reference where it is said that the continuous form/aspect exists in Askharapar. You failed to provide such a reference because the continuous form/aspect is missing in Armenian. To repeat myself:
You're simply confusing your subjective appreciation of the usage of an expression (i.e. semantics) and well defined grammatical rules (i.e. syntax.)

1- LOL "Ես կ'քայլ եմ???" Is that Western Armenian? It's "Ես կը քալեմ."

The verb (its infinitive) is "քայլել" so it must be "քայլեմ" and not "քալեմ".

No, it is "Ես կը քալեմ" is Western Armenian. Please be wise - and courteous - enough to double check before you display your ignorance with such confidence, and take the risk of misinforming others. If you're too lazy to consult a reference, then it suffices to google!

2- In Eastern Armenian the "կ" indicates the conditional not the present.

The conditional as well as future simple: Նամակը գրե՞լ ես: Չէ, գիշերը կը գրեմ: "կը" in here has a future meaning clearly and not conditional. In order to make it conditional, there should be an 'if clause';եթէ հանդիպենք, կը գրեմ:

First of all, the conditional mode does not require an if condition; you are confusing the conditional mode and the conditional sentence. It is a mode, just like the subjunctive, to express the disposition of the subject (of the verb.)
Most of all, the future, in Eastern Armenian, is "քալելու եմ."

[Siamanto]

Re: gor blimey

"na zinvor e" is proper (eastern) Armenian. "na zinvora" is not the proper form although many speak that way (as far as I know. I could be wrong).

He thinks that "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" is Armenian, and confuses syntax and semantics....Did you expect him to focus on - or appreciate - such linguistic "subtleties???"

[Lucin]

Re: gor blimey

The "gor" was borrowed because the continuous aspect/form is missing in Armenian - in all tenses.

LOL, the continuous form does not exist in all tenses in Armenian??? It does exist, at least in the past ( I'm not sure about the present) Here are some examples:

գրում էի/ քայլում էի/ նայում էի / կարդում էի եւ այլն:

Two more details:
1- LOL "Ես կ'քայլ եմ???" Is that Western Armenian? It's "Ես կը քալեմ."

The verb (its infinitive) is "քայլել" so it must be "քայլեմ" and not "քալեմ".

2- In Eastern Armenian the "կ" indicates the conditional not the present.

The conditional as well as future simple: Նամակը գրե՞լ ես: Չէ, գիշերը կը գրեմ: "կը" in here has a future meaning clearly and not conditional. In order to make it conditional, there should be an 'if clause';եթէ հանդիպենք, կը գրեմ: