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  • #81
    Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    actually Gobekli Tepe in southern Turkey near Urfa, geographically a part of northern Syria and nowhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia" .
    and than

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    Mukuch is taking an a-la-Turka approach to geography.

    I'm not talking about the modern country of Syria that has been in existence for less than a century - why would we use modern borders to understand a 12000 year old site? I am talking about the *geographical region *that is called Syria. Urfa is in Northern Syria.
    So we are talking about "northern Syria" ,"the modern country of Syria that has been in existence for less than a century" and it is by some reason "nowhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia" ?

    So whos approach is "a-la-Turka"?
    Last edited by Mukuch; 04-11-2011, 02:36 AM.
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    • #82
      Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

      Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
      and than



      So we are talking about "northern Syria" ,"the modern country of Syria that has been in existence for less than a century" and it is by some reason "nowhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia" ?

      So whos approach is "a-la-Turka"?
      Another cretin? No question mark needed maybe because there has to be some sort of genetic fault within you that makes you so entirely incapable of understanding the difference between geography and ethnicity. The word "Syria" has nothing to do with the population of modern Syria, and Roman-period provinces called "Armenia" have nothing to do with ethnic Armenians having lived there at the time (almost no Armenians lived there). Your mentality would be completely at home within Turkish ideology.
      Last edited by bell-the-cat; 04-11-2011, 06:27 AM.
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      • #83
        Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

        Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
        Another cretin? No question mark needed maybe because there has to be some sort of genetic fault within you that makes you so entirely incapable of understanding the difference between geography and ethnicity. Your mentality would be completely at home within Turkish ideology.
        Ok bell.... lets supose that I am a cretin, and you are not.... just for now....

        So, the grownd for your statement that it is "nowhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia" is that it is in "northern Syria". I do not see any other reasoning brougt by you, why it is exactly "nowhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia", when it is actually in Urfa which is actually "somewher near territory that could be called "Historical Armenia" !

        So please would you be so kind to bring your reasoning otherways I would be not sure who is cretin in did....

        ARSSHOLE ?
        Last edited by Mukuch; 04-11-2011, 06:40 AM.
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        • #84
          Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

          Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
          Ok bell.... lets supose that I am a cretin, and you are not.... just for now....

          So, the grownd for your statement that it is "nowhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia" is that it is in "northern Syria". I do not see any other reasoning brougt by you, why it is exactly "nowhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia", when it is actually in Urfa which is actually "somewher near territory that could be called "Historical Armenia" !

          So please would you be so kind to bring your reasoning otherways I would be not sure who is cretin in did....

          ARSSHOLE ?
          Your apparent counterparts in Turkey actually go around banning history maps that show the Roman provinces of Armenia on them because their simplistic, propagandistic ideology cannot comprehend that "Armenia" used as a name for a province in a 100AD context is not the same as "Armenia" in the 20th century being used as the name of a country inhabited by an ethnic group called Armenians, or "Armenia" in the 10th century being used to define a series of kingdoms inhabited by Armenians. I expect Turkey also goes around banning maps showing ancient near-eastern cultures of c3000bc because they show a region called "Syria" that extends well beyond the borders of the modern country of Syria.

          At no point in its history has Urfa been either part of or bordering on any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia", Urfa is in northern Syria geographically and culturally. MORE IMPORTANTLY, the particular site near Urfa being discussed is not anywhere close to a time-period that could even have an entity called "Historical Armenia" in it!
          Last edited by bell-the-cat; 04-11-2011, 07:17 AM.
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          • #85
            Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            It's pretty crazy looking from the top

            The whole site looks xxxxed up. Lots of erosion, lots of holes, piles of stones that obviously are not part of the original layout but are from field clearing. Do you think at Stonehenge ploughing would be allowed less than 10m from the stones?
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            • #86
              Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

              Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
              Your apparent counterparts in Turkey actually go around banning history maps that show the Roman provinces of Armenia on them because their simplistic, propagandistic ideology cannot comprehend that "Armenia" used as a name for a province in a 100AD context is not the same as "Armenia" in the 20th century being used as the name of a country inhabited by an ethnic group called Armenians, or "Armenia" in the 10th century being used to define a series of kingdoms inhabited by Armenians. I expect Turkey also goes around banning maps showing ancient near-eastern cultures of c3000bc because they show a region called "Syria" that extends well beyond the borders of the modern country of Syria.

              At no point in its history has Urfa been anywhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia", Urfa is in northern Syria geographically and culturally. MORE IMPORTANTLY, the particular site near Urfa being discussed is not anywhere close to a time-period that could even have an entity called "Historical Armenia" in it!
              We're a culture, not an ethnic group

              Historical Armenia refers to all the areas that have been inhabited by Armenians throughout history. Eddessa and Urfa are considered parts of greater Cilicia (Kingdom of Cilicia's sphere of influence)

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              • #87
                Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                At no point in its history has Urfa been anywhere near any territory that could be called "Historical Armenia"
                Well I can dispute it; as Edesia (Urfa) at some point was a greatest religious and educational Armenian center. Edessia actually is birthplace of our church.
                How it can be not part of Armenia? It all depends of what you consider "Historical Armenia".

                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                , Urfa is in northern Syria geographically and culturally!
                Urfa was in northern Syria at some point, doesn’t mean that "Northern Syria" never was part of "Historical Armenia".

                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                . MORE IMPORTANTLY, the particular site near Urfa being discussed is not anywhere close to a time-period that could even have an entity called "Historical Armenia" in it!
                What was the name of entity? Urartu? Airarat? Hyasa? Nairi? Dose it matter? It was our land and was populated by our ancestors.... Prove the opposite!
                Last edited by Mukuch; 04-11-2011, 07:38 AM.
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                • #88
                  Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  We're a culture, not an ethnic group

                  Historical Armenia refers to all the areas that have been inhabited by Armenians throughout history. Eddessa and Urfa are considered parts of greater Cilicia (Kingdom of Cilicia's sphere of influence)

                  Not in the real world, the big world that lies beyond assorted Armenian nationalists posting propaganda and self-made maps on Armenian message boards.
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                  • #89
                    Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

                    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
                    Well I can dispute it; as Edesia (Urfa) at some point was a greatest religious and educational Armenian center. Edessia actually is birthplace of our church.
                    How it can be not part of Armenia? It all depends of what you consider "Historical Armenia".


                    Urfa was in northern Syria at some point, doesn’t mean that "Northern Syria" never was part of "Historical Armenia".



                    What was the name of entity? Urartu? Airarat? Hyasa? Nairi? Dose it matter? It was our land and was populated by our ancestors.... Prove the opposite!
                    Do you know when Urartu existed? About 8000 years after the site near Urfa was created.

                    "Atlantis was also our land and populated by our ancestors.... Prove the opposite!" That is the level of your engagement -a fantasy.

                    I'm not wasting more time responding to you on this subject.
                    Last edited by bell-the-cat; 04-11-2011, 08:09 AM.
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                    • #90
                      Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

                      Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                      "Atlantis was also our land and populated by our ancestors.... Prove the opposite!" That is the level of your engagement -a fantasy.

                      I'm not wasting more time responding to you on this subject.
                      Oh now at least I know who you are: an ethnic Atlant !

                      No bell it is not fantasy. You can’t show on the map Atlantis (your homeland) I can show mine. Urfa is there on the map, and if you are not completely ignorant you know the role of Edessa in Armenian History.
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