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  • #11
    Liberal voice of Turkey always been there!

    But with the help of technology liberal's do reach a bigger multitude of people,so nothing except technology has changed of course the shadows of karagoz and hacivat seems less scary.And it seem's like the rhetorics of the nationalist's are falling more and more on deaf ears because the ridicoulusness of some of their declarations and claims but in the past they overcame the shortcoming's of their histo-ideological nonsense with brute force and i see no real intention or incentive for them to change.. unless their invaded then they'll become like lambs.You take the 25M Kurt-Alevi away that leaves about 50M half of them could be deported to greater Israel when US takes over Iran&syria another 13M probably stay in Europe,Istanbul and remaining 13M greater Armenia can manage to live with I mean every Armenian can control 20 Turks 2-1 ratio is no big deal at all :Of course this may seem far fetched but it is possible Maybe I'll write a book called the "Gavur Storm".
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #12
      I found this quote tonight, thought I'd share (for any Darwin fans out there especially!):

      "Darwin himself had a low opinion of the Turkish race."

      -M. Sukru Hanioglu. "The Political Ideas of the Young Turks"
      [url]http://www.ArmenianAncestry.com[/url] - [COLOR="Red"]Armenian[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]Genealogy[/COLOR] [COLOR="Orange"]Forum[/COLOR]

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      • #13
        Of course, Turkey has not plenty of changing. It is not easy to do this in 80 years. Especially in administrative domain there are still people who still have Ottoman mentality. Since 1923, unless reactionaries had come to the power there would have been more changings. And militarist strokes, the last stroke of 1980 caused to turning back in human rights and personal opinions. Unfortunately, everything doesnt go well always.

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        • #14
          Gavur"s Head

          I think we're all assuming the poll is about good "change",I think if it changed at all it probably changed more to the worse then good.
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Gavur
            I think we're all assuming the poll is about good "change",I think if it changed at all it probably changed more to the worse then good.
            yes, by change I meant positive change... and Hovik... come on, you know what I mean!
            [COLOR="Lime"][CENTER][B]GIVE US A REASON TO FORGIVE, RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]

            [CENTER][I][COLOR="Red"][B]"We must remind the Turkish Government that when they had Sultan Abdul Hamid, we had Andranik Pasha, Serob Aghbyur, and Gevorg Chaush. When they had Taleat pasha, we had Soghomon Tehleryan. New Hrants will be born, and our struggle will go on. [/B][/COLOR][/I][/CENTER]

            [COLOR="Black"][CENTER][B]"Hrant Dink's murder is tragic proof that the Turkish government - through its campaign of denial, threats and intimidation against the recognition of the Armenian Genocide - continues to fuel the same hatred and intolerance that initially led to this crime against humanity more than 90 years ago."[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]

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