Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

When are Armenians going to learn that this AG recognition thing is just a lever in the hands of Jews to push our buttons? I have said this a septillion times and I'll repeat it a zillion times more. What the... here once more and see how actual it is:

Armenians should come to their senses and press the statesmen of the Republic of Armenia to raise the issue of Woodrow Wilson arbitration. The insignificant, unbinding, worthless, useless Congress resolution gives us nothing. This is simply a lever in the hands of Jews to push the buttons of Turks or Armenians whenever needed; therefore, it's never going to pass. In fact it is nothing but the confirmation of the recognition of the Armenian Genocide that has already happened by Reagan and the majority of the states of the US.

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This time around they want to piss off the genocidal Turk parasite to mildly “pressure” them to pass the vicious protocols and open the borders. I bet the borders will never open (unless the destruction of the Armenian state is guaranteed), this bill will never pass and Turkey will rape the EU without recognizing Cyprus. The Anglo/Judeo/Euro/Russo-followers of the Cult of Turk Phallus Worship will never do something to hurt the tender, delicate feelings of the atrocious, nation-murdering abomination going by the four-letter insult to humanity Turk.

Hellektor we can go to court and use any legal means to get our lands back but they will fail and we'll not even get one inch of land back. The Turks will flip them of and that's all to it. We have tried the legal and getting help from other nations and look what it got us, the Armenian Genocide. We will only get our lands back when we can get our army to march there and take those lands back before that we'll not get one inch of land back. And no legal treaty or any other document will help us. history teaches us that a treaty is worth as much as the paper it's written on.

So what I'm trying to say is instead of getting to courts and waisting all those money and resources let's use that to invest in our own country and military because that is the only way we'll get something back.

And I agree the borders will not open for a very long time. It seems that the Turks tried to play dirty and it blew up in their face. They gambled and lost and now we need to find a new route in to Europe and a new way to strengthen our economy. And there we need the help of the Diaspora. They need to come and invest in the country, they need to invest in the little guy, the little companies. With that they will also help improve the social status of the country.

[Anoush]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

When are Armenians going to learn that this AG recognition thing is just a lever in the hands of Jews to push our buttons? I have said this a septillion times and I'll repeat it a zillion times more. What the... here once more and see how actual it is:

Armenians should come to their senses and press the statesmen of the Republic of Armenia to raise the issue of Woodrow Wilson arbitration. The insignificant, unbinding, worthless, useless Congress resolution gives us nothing. This is simply a lever in the hands of Jews to push the buttons of Turks or Armenians whenever needed; therefore, it's never going to pass. In fact it is nothing but the confirmation of the recognition of the Armenian Genocide that has already happened by Reagan and the majority of the states of the US.

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Hellektor jan, tsavet danim yeghpayr payts inch enenk himag vor ays anidsvads protocolnere esdorakretsin mer de-mart Hayasdani nakhakahn ou Edwarde? They signed the darn "anidsabad" protocols and they have accepted the illegal damn Kars treaty. How in the world could we now make our president who already signed it away our historical Western Armenia to reverse it? "Miag tseve vor ge desnem yev vor garelioutyun ouni ayn al mer nakhararnerou chentouniln eh ayt anidsvads 'protocol'nere. Aylabes Wilson Arbitratione chenk garogh arach danel. Nakh yev arachnahertin bedk che vaveratsvin ayt anidsabad 'protocol'nere, hedo garogh enk menk bardatrel mer nakhakahin vor "Wilson Arbitration"e vaveratsenel da.

This time around they want to piss off the genocidal Turk parasite to mildly “pressure” them to pass the vicious protocols and open the borders. I bet the borders will never open (unless the destruction of the Armenian state is guaranteed), this bill will never pass and Turkey will rape the EU without recognizing Cyprus. The Anglo/Judeo/Euro/Russo-followers of the Cult of Turk Phallus Worship will never do something to hurt the tender, delicate feelings of the atrocious, nation-murdering abomination going by the four-letter insult to humanity Turk.

[Hellektor]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

When are Armenians going to learn that this AG recognition thing is just a lever in the hands of Jews to push our buttons? I have said this a septillion times and I'll repeat it a zillion times more. What the... here once more and see how actual it is:

Armenians should come to their senses and press the statesmen of the Republic of Armenia to raise the issue of Woodrow Wilson arbitration. The insignificant, unbinding, worthless, useless Congress resolution gives us nothing. This is simply a lever in the hands of Jews to push the buttons of Turks or Armenians whenever needed; therefore, it's never going to pass. In fact it is nothing but the confirmation of the recognition of the Armenian Genocide that has already happened by Reagan and the majority of the states of the US.

*****

This time around they want to piss off the genocidal Turk parasite to mildly “pressure” them to pass the vicious protocols and open the borders. I bet the borders will never open (unless the destruction of the Armenian state is guaranteed), this bill will never pass and Turkey will rape the EU without recognizing Cyprus. The Anglo/Judeo/Euro/Russo-followers of the Cult of Turk Phallus Worship will never do something to hurt the tender, delicate feelings of the atrocious, nation-murdering abomination going by the four-letter insult to humanity Turk.

[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

We know from previous excuses for not recognizing the genocide, that now with an Armenian government putting it aside, it'll never happen.

Regarding that photo, it will help get rid of the current muslim party that rules Turkey. Their days are numbered I believe. If they make it to March 1, I'll be surprised. Already, many plans regarding the next coup are being investigated and suppressed.

Yes, as we saw, Davutoglu came out and said that liberated territories of Artsakh must be given back and Artsakh must once again come under Azeri domination. Some believe that this means that the Turkish government wants more concessions from Armenia, while others point out that the Turkish parliament will not ratify the protocols until the next April 24, to once again use this pretext so President Obama does not honor his campaign pledge of genocide recognition. Obviously if AKP falls prior to this, as you are predicting, the protocols would probably be frozen or would be dissolved altogether, which would be a very good thing. I really hope you are right.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Indeed Federate, Turkey has went so far as to make itself present in Palestine. In an ironic twist, it might be Israel lobby now (in light of Turkish "support" of the Palestinian plight) that would be pushing for genocide recognition in the U.S., while the Sargsyan regime, by the very signing of the protocols and the "ongoing normalization process" - has already given ample ammunition to those in Obama administration that would cite it, for NOT recognizing the Armenian Genocide.

In fact as you know, they already did that last April 24, when only one or two days prior, the "roadmap" was made public and served as the perfect excuse for using a euphemism (Yeghern) instead of just recognition (as Obama had pledged during his presidential campaign).

Below Photo: Turkey opens a school in Gaza (notice the map of Palestine [all of historic borders] along with posters of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin (founder of Ḥamās) and Sultan Abdülmecid I. Highly symbolic of Turkish ambitions throughout the region at large. How far will it go? Time will tell.

We know from previous excuses for not recognizing the genocide, that now with an Armenian government putting it aside, it'll never happen.

Regarding that photo, it will help get rid of the current muslim party that rules Turkey. Their days are numbered I believe. If they make it to March 1, I'll be surprised. Already, many plans regarding the next coup are being investigated and suppressed.

[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Looks like Turkey no longer needs the Israeli lobby to shut up those pesky Armenians in Congress, the Republic of Armenia will do it instead by basically doing what it does best: saying absolutely nothing.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons behind the recent Turkey-Israel tensions in the sense that Turkey deems Israel more expendable than ever

Indeed Federate, Turkey has went so far as to make itself present in Palestine. In an ironic twist, it might be Israel lobby now (in light of Turkish "support" of the Palestinian plight) that would be pushing for genocide recognition in the U.S., while the Sargsyan regime, by the very signing of the protocols and the "ongoing normalization process" - has already given ample ammunition to those in Obama administration that would cite it, for NOT recognizing the Armenian Genocide.

In fact as you know, they already did that last April 24, when only one or two days prior, the "roadmap" was made public and served as the perfect excuse for using a euphemism (Yeghern) instead of just recognition (as Obama had pledged during his presidential campaign).

Below Photo: Turkey opens a school in Gaza (notice the map of Palestine [all of historic borders] along with posters of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin (founder of Ḥamās) and Sultan Abdülmecid I. Highly symbolic of Turkish ambitions throughout the region at large. How far will it go? Time will tell.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Looks like Turkey no longer needs the Israeli lobby to shut up those pesky Armenians in Congress, the Republic of Armenia will do it instead by basically doing what it does best: saying absolutely nothing.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons behind the recent Turkey-Israel tensions in the sense that Turkey deems Israel more expendable than ever

Great photo for that article, and good observation. Though I believe that the Israeli military controls much of the politics in Israel, and Turkeys MIT as well over Turkiye, I think that there's a lot of grass roots tension between the two extremely racist nations. They've had lovers quarrels before though and I wouldn't say that this is anything more than that.

And now I have three reasons why I support the foreign recognition of the Armenian genocide. At first, it was just the fact that Turkey denied it. Second was that they're still hostile towards Armenia and Armenians. Now, there's a third, Russian-Armenian leaders in Yerevan (Sarkisyan/Nalbandyan) are against the Armenian people, both in Hayastan and the Diaspora.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Photo caption:

Gül: Flowers from the fields of Van.

Sargsyan: Ahhh, you shouldn't have.

Looks like Turkey no longer needs the Israeli lobby to shut up those pesky Armenians in Congress, the Republic of Armenia will do it instead by basically doing what it does best: saying absolutely nothing.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons behind the recent Turkey-Israel tensions in the sense that Turkey deems Israel more expendable than ever

[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Yerevan Silent On Armenian Genocide Bill

Photo caption:

Gül: Flowers from the fields of Van.

Sargsyan: Ahhh, you shouldn't have.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian genocide resolution introduced in the U.S. Senate

Yerevan Silent On Armenian Genocide Bill



Official Yerevan has refrained so far from backing a U.S. congressional resolution that calls on President Barack Obama to officially describe the 1915-1918 mass killings and deportations of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide.
The draft resolution was introduced in the U.S. Senate by two pro-Armenian legislators last week. Similar legislation was circulated in the House of Representatives early this year.

President Serzh Sarkisian’s office on Tuesday declined to react to the development. The Armenian Foreign Ministry, for its part, said it will not comment on the matter.

Turkey has already criticized the Senate bill through its ambassador to the United States, Nabi Sensoy. Speaking to the Voice of America late last week, Sensoy said it runs counter to the spirit of the fence-mending protocols signed by Armenia and Turkey in Zurich on October 10.

“I hope that there will be no progress on this issue. I don’t think it was the right time to take this step since the resolution was introduced immediately after the signing of the Turkey-Armenia protocols,” he said. “It is wrong and sad. I am hopeful that [the resolution] will not reach the [Senate] floor.”

The administration of Sarkisian’s predecessor Robert Kocharian was quick to welcome such bills throughout is decade-long rule, adding to Ankara’s fury with what it sees as baseless genocide allegations. Whether the current Armenian leadership has changed that policy is not clear.

The Sarkisian administration has faced accusations of a sellout ever since it unveiled the two protocols envisaging the establishment of diplomatic relations between Armenia and Turkey and reopening of their border. Its opponents are particularly unhappy with protocol clauses that commit Armenia to recognize the existing frontier and essentially accept a Turkish proposal to set up a commission of historians tasked with studying the World War One-era massacres. They say Yerevan is thus making it easier for Ankara to keep the U.S. and other countries from adopting genocide resolutions.

Vartan Oskanian, a vocal critic of the protocols who served as Armenia’s foreign minister from 1998-2008, insisted on Tuesday that Armenia could have cut a deal with the Turks without making either concession. In a written response to RFE/RL questions, he also confirmed that the ongoing Turkish-Armenian dialogue started in 2007, during the final months of Kocharian’s presidency.

“On the border, our formulation was the internationally accepted language used in protocols for establishing diplomatic relations which makes reference to the principle of territorial integrity, with no mentioning whatsoever of mutual recognition of current borders,” said Oskanian. “This is clearly the standard protocol text for diplomatic relations which Armenia has used with over 120 countries.”

According to Oskanian, Kocharian also insisted that the events of 1915 should be tackled by a Turkish-Armenian inter-governmental commission along with other issues of mutual interest. The controversial protocols do envisage the formation of such a commission. But it would be divided into several “sub-commissions” specializing in particular areas. One of them is to engage in an “impartial scientific examination of historical documents and archives.”

“Although when I left office, there was no full agreement on these or many other issues and there was no document on the table yet, I do believe that Armenia could have negotiated a much better text than the one we have in hand,” said Oskanian. “It could have been more along the lines of the above formulations and would have been acceptable to Turkey, if Turkey were truly ready to overcome the Azerbaijani obstacle and go to normalization.”

“This conviction has been reinforced given Turkey’s recent declaration of zero problems with all neighbors and also given the growing European and American pressure on Turkey to open the border with Armenia,” added the former foreign minister.

Meanwhile, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu indicated on Monday that Ankara is confident that it can get the Turkish-Armenian historical “subcommission” to accept the official Turkish version of the 1915 killings. In an interview with Al Jazeera television, he also seemed to suggest that the joint panel would help his government depoliticize the highly sensitive issue.

“Historical facts should be researched based on historical documents,” Davutoglu said. “There is a historical fact and there is a war of propaganda. Until now what we observed was a war of propaganda for political purposes.

“This new condition will take it to the right place: a research based on historical data. Historical data means archives.” “I am self-confident. I know the archives,” he added.

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