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  • #41
    Re: Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship
    Clears The 200 Mark

    By George Gregoriou
    The wolves are showing their teeth. Why the anger? It is only a non-binding vote in the Foreign Relations Committee. It is not a recognition that genocide was committed against the Armenians in 1915. The New YorkTimes, for the first time, referred to the Armenian genocide of 1915 to 1918! That was a few days ago. Today, 10/13/07, there was more on the 1915 genocide. How about the genocide from the 1870s to 1920s? But, there is no need to worry. There is no chance of its being voted in the U.S. Congress. The most powerful lobby in the United States, the Israel lobby, will not allow it. This lobby is so powerful, anyone running for office, for the presidency or Congress, must have the seal of approval from the xxxish lobby or that person is politically finished. Remember how Hilary embraced Mrs. Arafat and the two-state solution and then had to re-embrace the agenda of the Israeli government? These zigzags are the real policies, just opportunism. The principles are for the voters.

    Turkey is not at the very top in lobbying activities in the United States, but Ankara is not that far behind in importance to U.S. imperial interests in the Middle East. It has Richard A. Gephardt and the law-makers Robert Livingston, Robert Byrd (son-in-law is Turkish(?)), the right-wing Republican establishment and Democrats allied to the Israel lobby, the White House, the State Department, the Defense Department, the CIA, the presidential veto, and the Israel lobby, on the Turkish side. This is a formidable array of opponents in a world where most people know that genocide was committed. Their consciences are not troubled by this denial.

    Every year, the Armenians and their supporters in Congress bring up the issue of recognizing the Armenian genocide in 1915. Every year, this recognition is defeated or postponed because of the intervention of the powers that be in Washington. Turkey in the words of Sibel Edmonds (The High-Jacking of a Nation) ... “is one of the closest allies of the United States, a most important member of NATO, a candidate for EU membership, and the only Middle-Eastern close ally and partner of Israel.” Turkey’s highly prized status in the United States due to its location as the artery connecting Europe to Asia, its cross borders with Iran, Iraq and Syria to its East and South, with the Balkan states to the west, and with the Central Asian nations to its north and northeast. Even Shimon Perez opposed this recognition in the past because he did not wish to dilute the xxxish holocaust by recognizing the Armenian holocaust. Tony Blair suggested that “Armenia and Turkey should resolve between themselves the issues [genocide] which divide them.” The words of Neil Frater (Blair’s Home office) were:

    “the atrocities were (“an appalling tragedy” and the government [Blair’s] extended its sympathies to the descendants of the victims.”(Robert Fisk, The Great War for Civilization).

    Presidential candidate George W. Bush stated on February 19, 2000 that “the Armenians were subjected to a genocidal awful crime in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I would ensure that our nation properly recognizes the tragic suffering of the Armenian people ... [As president] the word genocide was an appalling tragedy, horrific killings, but referred only to this loss of life [not genocide].” (Robert Fisk, The Great War for Civilization). On October 11, 2007, The New York Times repeated Bush’s words: “We all deeply regret the tragic suffering of the Armenian people that began in 1915 ... This resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings, and its passage would do great harm to our relations with a key ally in NATO and in the global war on terror.” Turkey was welcomed as a key ally in the 1920s, with the smell of oil in the Middle East. Then as an ally in the war against Bolshevism, in the Washington policy to hook the 200 million Turkic people in the Muslim world into the US/Turkish orbit, in the current policy to encircle Russia through economic and military links with the former SU states, and the current pressures to force Turkey into the EU in order to control the future of Europe.

    The response to any criticism of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories or the Turkish occupation of Cyprus and recognition of the Armenian genocide is the same. You are accused of being anti-Semitic or anti-Turkish. I have been accused and found guilty on both counts, for criticizing the Israeli occupation of the Palestinians, making references to the genocide of Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians (and Kurds), and for being against the Turkish occupation and ethnic cleansing in Cyprus, in place since 1974. For these crimes I plead guilty.

    If you do not toe the Israeli line, to repeat, you are politically damaged, if not dead, in the United States. The money dries up, and the attacks are relentless. The book, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by John J. Mearsheimer & Stephen M. Walt is a must read, to put this in perspective. Ankara has a different twist to this. The most powerful media is not in the hands of Turks, but Ankara is supported by the Washington establishment. Nor are there enough pro-Turkish voters to swing elections, as xxxish-Americans do. The threats from Ankara and its enablers in the United States come in warnings: canceling the arms deals; withdrawing support for American air forces patrolling northern Iraq; the House passage alone is a harsh American indictment; threats to cut off support for the American war effort in Iraq; General Petraeus warned that its passage could harm the war effort in Iraq; access to airfields and to the roads and so on in turkey would be very much put at risk; and memories of Turks are not that easy to erase once it hits sensitive spots. So, if the lies are good for Ankara, they are good for Washington. They must be good for the world.

    These troubles are just the beginning. This axis of denial (Ankara, Washington, Jerusalem, and London) cannot carry on forever. The chickens are coming home to roost. This axis is already unraveling, in Iraq, the Middle East, and the Islamic world. It will continue to unravel because the policies will remain the same, and anti-Americanism throughout the world.

    It will reach a boiling point as Turkey is being forced into the European Union. Recognition of the Armenian genocide is a prerequisite to EU membership. So is the recognition of the genocide of the Greeks, Assyrians, and other Christian groups in the Ottoman Empire and Turkey. The persecution of the 15 million Muslim Kurds is included in this list.

    The political winds in the European Union are against Turkish membership. The lack of democracy in Turkey (neither Ataturk statism nor soft Islamism can be democratic) and recognition of the genocide are key issues. So is the end of the Turkish occupation in Cyprus and a resolution of the Greek and Turkish Cypriot conflict along democratic lines, in a unified Cyprus. This rewarding of Turkish arrogance and denial of the genocide, in the service of US imperial interests, cannot be sustained at the expense of a long list of victims who happened to be in the strategic pathways of controlling the oil resources of the world and the global economy.

    **George Gregoriou
    Professor, Critical Theory and Geopolitics

    ***Special Note: Professor Gregoriou is part of a team of writers researching and writing a manuscript on the genocide in the Ottoman Empire and Turkey. The contribution already submitted is on “The Genocide of the Greeks in Anatolia and the Politics of Turkish Denial.” This manuscript is being prepared for publication in Europe in the near future.


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      Re: Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship
      Clears The 200 Mark

      Who changed their minds, and when

      Los Angeles Times
      October 17, 2007

      Since the House resolution to recognize the Armenian genocide was
      introduced Jan. 30, at least 21 representatives have withdrawn as
      cosponsors. At least 11 of those have pulled their support this week,
      dropping the number of cosponsors to 215, less than a majority of the

      House member ... Date withdrew

      Bobby Jindal (R-La.)...Jan. 31

      Dennis Moore (D-Kan.)...March 13

      Phil English (R-Pa.)....March 15

      David Scott (D-Ga.)............................April 18

      Dan Boren (D-Okla.)...........................May 2

      Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.).....................June 27

      Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)......................June 28

      Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.)......................Oct. 2

      John Shimkus (R-Ill.)..........................Oct. 4

      Henry Cuellar (D-Texas).....................Oct. 9

      Marion Berry (D-Ark.)..........................Oct. 15

      Sanford D. Bishop Jr. (D-Ga.)..............Oct. 15

      Allen Boyd (D-Fla.).............................Oct. 15

      Lincoln Davis (D-Tenn.)......................Oct. 15

      Wally Herger (R-Chico)...Oct. 15

      Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-Mich.)...Oct. 15

      Mike Ross (D-Ark.)...Oct. 15

      Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.)...Oct. 16

      Tim Holden (D-Pa.) ...Oct. 16

      Hank Johnson (D-Ga.)...Oct. 16

      Harry E. Mitchell (D-Ariz.)...Oct. 16

      Source: Library of Congress


      Transcript of Speaker Pelosi's Comments on the Armenian Genocide Resolution

      The Armenian Weekly
      Oct. 17, 2007

      WASHINGTON (A.W.)-Below is the transcript of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's
      Oct. 17 comments on the Armenian Genocide Resolution, obtained by the
      Armenian Weekly from the Speaker's Press Office.

      Q: Madam Speaker, I understand that you're talking about SCHIP but you have
      made a very powerful, very impassioned case for the need to bring the
      Armenian resolution for a vote, you say for principle and for moral reasons.
      Do you still intend to do that despite the fact that many of your Democratic
      colleagues are saying that they're not going to support it anymore?

      A: Well this is an initiative of our caucus. It has 60
      cosponsors -Republican cosponsors - including the ranking member of the
      Armed Services Committee, Mr. Duncan Hunter. That group has organized the
      initiative for the Armenian genocide resolution. And by the way -
      nevertheless, I'll be working with them to see what their wish is. Do you
      have a copy of the statement that I [unintelligible]? Because I think that
      the important thing is to - if you haven't already seen this, and I imagine
      that you have - this statement says, "The Armenians were subjected to a
      genocidal campaign that defies comprehension and that commands all decent
      people to remember and acknowledge the facts and lessons of an awful crime
      in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I will
      ensure that our nation properly recognizes the suffering of the Armenian
      people." George W. Bush, candidate for President. And what he said at the
      time was consistent with what President Ronald Reagan said when he was
      President. It is consistent with what our diplomats said at the time of the
      genocide, that it was such. That word didn't exist at the time, but that it
      was a planned annihilation of a race. So there is reason to bring this to
      the floor. Whether those who had been advocating it go to that place remains
      to be seen, but the fact is that genocide occurred. Right now, though, we
      have short fuses on SCHIP, on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, on
      our appropriations bills, so we have other matters on the agenda that have
      to be dealt with first. But I respect what the president said at the time of
      his -

      Q: But you are one of those major advocates for this -

      A: I said if they could get it through the committee, unless they could get
      it through the committee, we could not bring it to the floor. So I have
      always supported it, as did the previous leader of the Democrats in the
      Congress, Congressman Gephardt. Almost everybody supports it because they
      know it is right. Whether it will come up or not, or what the action will
      be, remains to be seen. But today we are engaged in a major fight about the
      health of America's children, and that is what our focus is. And again,
      yesterday Easter Seals, tomorrow March of Dimes - the President is alone,
      and he's dragging some of his House members with him down his path. Let me
      just say, at the end of the day, if you want to know about passion and
      politics, at the end of the day, 10 million children will have health
      insurance in our country. Thank you all. Thank you Bethany, thank you Dara,
      thank you Bo.


      Fox News Network
      October 20, 2007 Saturday

      PAUL GIGOT, HOST: This week on the "Journal Editorial Report," a
      congressional resolution condemning a massacre in Turkey a century
      ago threatens to endanger military progress in Iraq today.

      Plus, a new report says al-Qaeda in Iraq is on its last legs, but is
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      Those topics, plus our weekly "Hits and Misses", but first, the


      GIGOT: Welcome to the "Journal Editorial Report." I'm Paul Gigot.

      A House committee voted last week to condemn the mass killings of
      Armenians in Turkey in World War I as an act of genocide, despite
      warnings it would strain relation was an important Iraq war allies.

      Following the vote, Turkey recalled its ambassador to the U.S. and
      officials there warned if the resolution is approved by the full
      House they will reconsider their support for the American war effort,
      which includes permission to move essential supplies through Turkey
      into northern Iraq.

      Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff of California is the author of
      the Armenian genocide resolution. He has more than 70,000 ethnic
      Armenians in his Los Angeles district.

      Congressman, welcome. Good to have you on the program.

      REP. ADAM SCHIFF, (D), CALIFORNIA: Thanks, Paul. Nice to join you.

      GIGOT: This atrocity occurred 90 years ago. Why bring it up now at
      this delicate moment in the Middle East?

      SCHIFF: Well, Paul, you have to put it in perspective. We have tried
      to recognize the genocide really for years, even decade. We introduced
      this resolution before the Iraq war and the administration said now
      is not a good time. We introduce it before the war in Afghanistan
      and the administration said it wasn't a good time, before 9/11 and
      said it wasn't a good time.

      I stood yesterday in the capitol rotunda and watched the president
      bestow the Medal of Honor on the Dalai Lama and I was proud of him. I
      was proud of him doing that notwithstanding the fact China protested
      that it was deeply offensive to our strategic partner in China.

      Someone asked him, Mr. President, why do you risk antagonizing China.

      The president earlier said that preventing Iran from getting a nuclear
      weapon could be so important it might stop World War III.

      Paul, you know whose vote we need on the Security Council to pre-
      investment Iran from getting the bomb? We need China's vote. But,
      you know, the president said when America stands up for human rights
      and freedom, America is always serving its national interest. The
      president was right then.

      But the president believes that the situation in Tibet, the invasion
      that took place 50 years ago, it is important to recognize what took
      place in China but not what took place in Turkey, though it involved
      the murder of a million and a half people. It doesn't make sense to me.

      GIGOT: Congressman, the current dispute in Tibet is ongoing and it
      is about human rights in Tibet now. This resolution is 100 years ago.

      SCHIFF: You know what, Paul? The dispute going on is important now
      as well. Just last week, Turkey brought up on charges the son of a
      murdered Armenian journalist in Turkey, who was killed this year,
      on charges of publishing his father words about the genocide. Is that
      freedom in Turkey to speak out about the genocide not important? Is the
      freedom of expression the freedom to talk about some of the darkest
      chapters in the history of the world not important? Why is freedom
      in China important but freedom in Turkey of so little value?

      GIGOT: Congressman, let's say Turkey does take offense, and they
      say they will, and they decide to cut off supplies, the supply
      route we have, an important airbase there. If they decide to cut off
      supplies to Turkey, are you, as a member of Congress, willing to take
      responsibility for the consequences of that?

      SCHIFF: Paul, we have to expect Turkey will act in their national
      interests. They're an important ally to us and we are pan important
      ally to them. The fact that the European Union wants to make genocide
      recognition a condition of Turkey getting into the E.U. hasn't stopped
      Turkey from wanting to be in the E.U.

      I have to expect Turkey will act rationally. But I also think,
      Paul, and maybe can you point to an example of the contrary, that
      has inform been the case, that we have served our national interest
      well by denying the truth, particularly when it involves genocide. I
      don't think this will be the first time where it was advantageous to
      our country to deny the truth.

      At the ceremony yesterday, Elie Wiesel said that speaking truth
      to power gives power to the truth. That's true with China. It is
      also true with Turkey. And I think we have to speak that compelling
      historic truth.

      GIGOT: On the other hand...

      SCHIFF: Yes, I have an Armenian community in my district. I have
      sat in their living rooms and heard stories about how their parents
      and grandparents were wiped out. Paul, if it was your parents and
      grandparents, you would be screaming to the rafters we should recognize
      what happened to them. And the fact that it was our neighbor's family
      and not our own shouldn't matter.

      GIGOT: Congressman, there is a long list of people on the other side
      of this. General David Petraeus, head of American forces in Iraq,
      eight former secretaries of state, including Madeleine Albright. When
      this issue came up in 2000, President Clinton called the Republican
      speaker of the House, then Denny Hastert, and asked him to pull this
      so if wouldn't compromise our situation in the Middle East. He did.

      Why shouldn't the Democrats now, at the request of an American
      president, decide to pull something like this at a similar moment?

      SCHIFF: Paul, these eight secretaries of state you mentioned, this
      was their policy. They are defending their policy during those --
      the administrations of those eight secretaries they were willing to
      deny the genocide and become complicit in Turkey's denial.

      The last president, Paul, who had the courage to recognize the Armenian
      genocide, was President Reagan. What would you have said to President
      Reagan if you were his advisor? Mr. President, I know you talk about
      the United States being a moral beacon for the word but we are in
      the middle of the Cold War this was antagonize Turkey. Mr. President,
      you shouldn't do it.

      But you know what? Ronald Reagan had the guts to do it. He had the
      guts to say, no, this country stand for something and I stand for
      something. And you know what, Paul? You applaud him for that. You
      applaud him for the courage. Why shouldn't we ask this president
      to have the same courage? He likes to model himself after President
      Reagan. All Republican presidents like to, but let's have the courage
      that Ronald Reagan had to speak the truth.

      GIGOT: Congressman, what's your response to Dave Petraeus who says
      this will make his mission more difficult to achieve in Iraq?

      SCHIFF: I respect General Petraeus. I have been to Iraq three times.

      I met him in Mosul on one of my trips there. He is doing his job and
      he is, I think, a very honorable man. His mission is Iraq. When he
      testified before the Senate and he was asked, is what we are doing
      in Iraq making our national security better, is it improving our
      national security. You know what he said? I really can't answer that.

      The reason he couldn't answer that is his mission is only Iraq.

      I think the president needs to look to the greater war on terror
      and say what about our moral standing in the world. What role does
      it have when we espouse truth about history in terms of fighting this
      ideological struggle in the war on terror? That's not General Petraeus'
      responsibility. It is the responsibility of the president.

      I think Ronald Reagan had it right and I think this president has
      it wrong.

      GIGOT: Congressman, you get the last word. Thanks for being here.

      SCHIFF: Thank you.

      GIGOT: When we come back, a new report says the U.S. military dealt
      al-Qaeda in Iraq a crippling blow. Should we declare victory? Our
      panel debates when the "Journal Editorial Report" continues.
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        Re: Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship
        Clears The 200 Mark

        Public Fugures in Favor of the Resolution...

        Time Magazine
        Thursday, Oct. 18, 2007

        Honesty Is the Best Policy

        By Samantha Power

        Ninety-two years ago, the "young Turk" regime ordered the executions
        of Armenian civic leaders and intellectuals, and Turkish soldiers and
        militia forced the Armenian population to march into the desert, where
        more than a million died by bayonet or starvation. That horror helped
        galvanize Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew, to invent the word genocide,
        which was defined not as the extermination of an entire group but
        rather as a systematic effort to destroy a group. Lemkin wanted the
        term--and the international legal convention that grew out of it--to
        encompass ethnic cleansing and the murdering of a substantial part of
        a group. Otherwise, he feared, the world would wait until an entire
        group had been wiped out before taking any action.

        But this month in Washington these historical truths--about events
        carried out on another continent, in another century--are igniting
        controversy among politicians as if the harms were unsubstantiated,
        local and recent. At stake, of course, is the question of whether the
        U.S. House of Representatives should offend Turkey by passing a
        resolution condemning the "Armenian genocide" of 1915.

        All actors in the debate are playing the roles they have played for
        decades. Turkish General Yasar Buyukanit warned that if the House
        proceeds with a vote, "our military ties with the U.S. will never be
        the same again." Having recognized the genocide while campaigning for
        the White House, President George W. Bush nevertheless followed in the
        footsteps of his Oval Office predecessors, bemoaning the euphemistic
        "tragic suffering" of Armenians and wheeling out men and women of
        diplomatic and military rank to argue that the resolution would harm
        the indispensable U.S.-Turkish relationship. In Congress,
        Representatives in districts populated by Armenians generally support
        the measure, while those well cudgeled or coddled by the President or
        Pentagon don't. Official pressure has led many sponsors of the
        resolution to withdraw their support.

        One feature of the decades-old script is new: the Turkish threats have
        greater credibility today than in the past. Mainly this is because the
        U.S. war in Iraq has dramatically increased Turkish leverage over
        Washington. Some 70% of U.S. air cargo en route to Iraq passes through
        Turkey, as does about one-third of the fuel used by the U.S. military
        there. While Turkey may react negatively in the short term,
        recognition of the genocide is warranted for four reasons. First, the
        House resolution tells the truth, and the U.S. would be the 24th
        country to officially acknowledge it. In arguing against the
        resolution, Bush hasn't dared dispute the facts. An Administration
        that has shown little regard for the truth is openly urging Congress
        to join it in avoiding honesty. It is inconceivable that even back in
        the days when the U.S. prized West Germany as a bulwark against the
        Soviet Union, Washington would have refrained from condemning the
        Holocaust at Germany's behest.

        Second, the passage of time is only going to increase the size of the
        thorn in the side of what is indeed a valuable relationship with
        Turkey. Many a U.S. official (and even the occasional senior Turkish
        official) admits in private to wishing the U.S. had recognized the
        genocide years ago. Armenian survivors are passing away, but their
        descendants have vowed to continue the struggle. The vehemence of the
        Armenian diaspora is increasing, not diminishing. Third, America's
        leverage over Turkey is far greater than Turkey's over the U.S. The
        U.S. brought Turkey into nato, built up its military and backed its
        membership in the European Union. Washington granted
        most-favored-nation trading status to Turkey, resulting in some $7
        billion in annual trade between the two countries and $2 billion in
        U.S. investments there. Only Israel and Egypt outrank Turkey as
        recipients of U.S. foreign assistance. And fourth, for all the help
        Turkey has given the U.S. concerning Iraq, Ankara turned down
        Washington's request to use Turkish bases to launch the Iraq invasion,
        and it ignored Washington's protests by massing 60,000 troops at the
        Iraq border this month as a prelude to a widely expected attack in
        Iraqi Kurdistan. In other words, while Turkey may invoke the genocide
        resolution as grounds for ignoring U.S. wishes, it has a longer
        history of snubbing Washington when it wants to.

        Back in 1915, when Henry Morgenthau, the U.S. ambassador to Turkey,
        protested the atrocities to the Turkish Minister of the Interior, the
        Turk was puzzled. "Why are you so interested in the Armenians anyway?"
        Mehmed Talaat asked. "We treat the Americans all right." While it is
        essential to ensure that Turkey continues to "treat the Americans all
        right," a stable, fruitful, 21st century relationship cannot be built
        on a lie.


        National Public Radio (NPR)
        October 18, 2007 Thursday
        SHOW: Tell Me More 9:00 AM EST

        Armenian-American Singer Weighs in on Turskish-U.S. Relations

        Mr. SERJ TANKIAN (Lead Vocalist, System of a Down): I've been talking
        about the recognition of the Armenian genocide within Congress for
        many years now. And that to me is even a personal issue because my
        grandfather is a survivor of the Armenia genocide.

        MARTIN: That's Serj Tankian, an Armenian-American best known as the
        front man for the rock group System of a Down. We've been talking to
        Serj about his latest CD - an interview will bring you in the coming
        days. But he's also an outspoken social critic.

        To help you better understand that sometimes fierce debate over the
        word genocide, here's a short outtake from our recent interview.
        You'll hear more for him next week. But I asked him to talk about the
        dispute over language that he says isn't a dispute at all.

        Mr. TANKIAN: It's a source of great tension. It's not a matter of
        historical dispute because, you know, it's been accepted worldwide as
        a genocide. But it seems to be a contention of experience having to
        do with certain governments that are allied with Turkey like the
        United States. And so, you know, the United States uses the genocide
        issue - the G issue - as a way of bartering with Turkey having to do
        with Iraq or having to do with the Kurdish issue, which is really
        sad. The military-industrial complex, the Turkish government,
        Condoleezza Rice and the administration, you name it. Everyone's kind
        of stacked against the truth.

        MARTIN: I understand it, but I'm just saying that the use of the word
        genocide to describe this historic event is a matter of great dispute
        - it's a matter of political dispute. And as you mentioned, there are
        all kinds of issues caught up with that. And I - clearly, it means a
        very great deal to you. I just wanted to talk to you about how you
        take on an issue like this as an artist, which - is it most important
        to you to expose the issue to people who may not be aware of it or
        will what?

        Mr. TANKIAN: Yeah, I mean besides past tragedy, it's also a current
        tragedy. Genocide is something that whole planet is suffering from -
        in Darfur right now. And it still continues because we obviously
        haven't learned the lessons of what is a true intervention or reason
        for intervention or what is a time that we need to get involve in
        these things. You know, with Sudan we've made a lot of concession
        because they had intelligence on al-Qaida apparently, so we didn't
        push them. The Chinese have their oil interest et cetera, et cetera.
        I mean, you know, when its genocide, everything's got to stop. And
        the United Nations should go, okay, everything stop. Not- business is
        not as usual. This is a genocide. We need to go. You know, and

        MARTIN: Why do you think...

        Mr. TANKIAN: ...hasn't been happening.

        MARTIN: I'm sorry. Why do you think it's so important to have the
        United States among other countries recognize this historical event
        and call it genocide? Why do you think that's important?

        Mr. TANKIAN: Well, ultimately, the important thing is to gain justice
        by the descendants of the government that committed the atrocity,
        which is the Turkish government. And the United States has a very
        close allied relationship with Turkey and it would - whether it's
        overtly or discretely, there would be diplomatic pressure in dealing
        with that country having to do with them committing this crime.

        MARTIN: What - this is an area where I do believe some, which - I'm
        not speaking from a government, but I'm saying that they are those
        who would argue that the American national security and diplomatic
        interests are complicated and vary. And here is an area where I think
        some might argue that they're - whatever compromises they are making
        are appropriate in light of the responsibility of government
        officials to protect the country, to balance competing American
        interest. And what would you say to that?

        Mr. TANKIAN: Well, I think that's a sellout, you know, kind of
        democracy in my opinion. I mean, anytime that you're taking the truth
        and you're using it as an experience issue for geopolitical or
        economic interest then you can't really call yourself an honest
        democracy. I think...

        MARTIN: Well, forgive me, I think this an area where some might argue
        that they are more qualified to assess these matters than you are,
        and that is, I think, the question.

        Mr. TANKIAN: Well, to me, qualification is truth. You know, when
        you're dealing with the truth, that's the important thing. It doesn't
        matter whether someone has military experience over my knowledge of
        foreign policy. The genocide is the genocide. You shouldn't - you
        know, you can't go to Germany and say, you know, if you want to back
        us up in Iraq, well, forget about the holocaust. How would that go?
        You know, that doesn't work. You know, not if you want to call
        yourself a democracy. We have to deal with foreign policy in honest
        way. We can't deal with it by selling genocides or denying things
        that are in our own archives.

        MARTIN: Okay.

        Mr. TANKIAN: That's wrong.

        MARTIN: That was Serj Tankian, an Armenian-American activist and lead
        singer for the group System of a Down. His hopes for a passage of a
        congressional resolution are looking dimmer right now. A number of
        House Democrats have dropped their support because of concerns that
        the resolution would seriously damage relations with Turkey.

        Nick Clooney delivers powerful call to action urging passage of Armenian Genocide resolution
        Cincinnati area native and veteran newsman, Nick Clooney, delivered a riveting call to action in support of the Armenian Genocide resolution (H.Res.106) at the Ohio premiere of the award-winning movie "Screamers." A capacity crowd attended the event at the famed National Underground Railroad Freedom Center.
        The venerable Clooney described the time he went to visit his sister Rosemary Clooney for dinner in her California home back in 1952. Mr. Clooney mentioned that there were two other guests at his sisters' house for dinner that evening, William Saroyan and Ross Bagdasarian who together wrote the hit song "Come On-a My House" which Rosemary's voice carried to the top of the charts in 1951.
        Mr. Clooney somberly recalled how that night at his sister's house over 50 years ago he "learned what had happened to the Armenians". The event followed a day of intense debate on Capitol Hill resulting in the passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution in the House Foreign Affairs Committee by a vote of 27 21. Cincinnati Representative Steve Chabot (OH-1) cast an important vote in favor of the resolution, which recognizes the Genocide of 1.5 million Armenian men woman and children at the hands of the Ottoman Turks in 1915.
        Nick Clooney praised Rep Chabot for speaking truth to power in recognizing the Armenian Genocide and for recently traveling to Darfur and speaking out against the genocide occurring there right now which is claiming 500 innocent people every day.
        "The high turnout and positive feedback from this event drive home the point that the American people want to see a responsible US foreign Policy that not only recognizes Genocide but that actually does something to stop it" said David Krikorian Chairman, Armenian National Committee of Ohio
        What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.


        • #44
          Re: Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship
          Clears The 200 Mark

          Members of The Armenian Community React... (Part I)

          Commentary: By Caving in to Turkish Threats, U.S. Is Held Hostage to Foreign Powers

          By Harut Sassounian
          Publisher, The California Courier

          The Armenian Genocide resolution has now turned into a major tug of war
          between truth on one side and the combined might of the Bush administration, some
          American-Jewish organizations, Israeli leaders, the Turkish government and its
          high-powered lobbyists on the other side. The U.S. Congress has become the
          battleground for the hearts and minds of Americans.

          While it is disturbing to read the daily barrage of denial by descendants of
          those who committed mass murder against the Armenian nation, it is much more
          upsetting to witness the leaders of the United States, the bastion of democracy
          and human rights, acting as spokesmen for liars and deniers.

          It is absolutely appalling that the Bush administration is caving in to the
          pressures and blackmail of a quasi-fascist state, rather than rejecting
          Turkey's threats and urging its leaders to face up to the truth and admit the facts
          of history. It is astounding to see how U.S. officials are groveling in front
          of Turkish denialists, instead of mustering the courage to tell them to get
          lost. After all, Turkey needs the United States much more than America needs
          Turkey. Should the Turks take any punitive action against American interests, they
          would end up losing much more than the United States.

          While Turkey has poured millions of dollars into high-powered lobbying and
          public relations firms to inundate the mass media with denialist propaganda, it
          has lost its main argument that there was no genocide. Even the staunchest
          congressional opponents of the genocide resolution have acknowledged that Turks
          did commit genocide against the Armenians.

          Moreover, a handful of American-Jewish organizations that still oppose the
          resolution have stated that they do so out of fear for the lives of the Jews in
          Turkey -- not exactly a ringing endorsement of human rights in that so-called
          democracy! Sooner or later, Turkey's Islamist leaders are bound to take
          actions that contradict American and/or Israeli interests, thereby weakening the
          opposition to the genocide resolution.

          Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Dem.-CA) has bravely stood her ground despite the
          recent onslaught of media criticisms against her and the betrayal of some of her
          own Democratic colleagues. She is neither intimidated by massive Bush
          administration pressures nor by Turkish threats. Incidentally, the Incirlik airbase in
          Turkey, which the Turks have threatened to close should Congress adopt the
          Armenian Genocide resolution, is actually not so vital for the U.S. war effort in
          Iraq, according to a top American commander. U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff
          General Michael Moseley stated in a Feb. 21, 2007 briefing: "I wouldn't say that
          we have to [use] Incirlik to conduct operations in Iraq."

          A core group of Democrats and Republicans, who probably constitute more than
          half of the House members, are still backing the Speaker's stand on this
          morally just issue, despite the heavy-handed tactics of powerful and well-financed
          opponents of the resolution. In addition, there are many Republican House
          members who support the resolution, but have not publicly endorsed it in order to
          avoid being pressured by the administration.

          Armenian-Americans need to rally to the support of this core group while
          providing political cover to the Speaker's valiant efforts by blanketing the media
          with letters to the editor, op-ed columns, interviews with journalists, and
          full-page ads in newspapers and magazines. Such a massive campaign is necessary
          in order to counter all the lies that were spread through the media in recent
          days by well-connected public relations firms hired by Turkey at a cost of
          more than $300,000 per month. The negative articles and TV talk shows have
          created the false impression that the American public is against the genocide
          resolution, causing some congressional sponsors to go back on their word and remove
          their names.

          While the Turks, due to their obsessive opposition to any and all references
          to the Armenian Genocide, have unwittingly globalized this issue, it is
          important that the Armenian community's efforts continue unabated until this
          resolution is approved by the full House.

          In next year's primaries and general elections, the Armenian-American
          community should remember some of these turncoats and target them for defeat. Other
          ethnic groups have successfully practiced this method of making an example of
          politicians working against their interests.

          This controversy carries an important lesson for U.S. policymakers. One needs
          to remember that appeasing Turkey would encourage other countries to also
          blackmail the United States, holding American policies hostage to foreign
          interests. Two recent examples of other countries lifting a page from the Turkish
          book of threats would suffice: Japan's demand that Congress not pass a resolution
          to condemn the abuse of Korean "comfort women" by Japanese soldiers during
          WWII and Chinese threats to dissuade the White House from honoring the Dalai

          By buckling under Turkish pressure, the U.S. government has left the door
          open not only for major powers like Japan and China, but also to lesser states to
          force the United States to take positions contrary to its values and

          By John C. Geragosian

          Hartford Courant, CT
          Oct 21 2007

          Imagine half the population of Connecticut murdered over seven years,
          and hundreds of thousands more raped, beaten and driven from their
          homes. How long would you fight for justice for your family, friends
          and neighbors?

          The Turkish government's stubborn denial has forced the Armenian
          people of the world to wait for 92 years.

          I urge Congress to do the right thing and finally pass the resolution
          declaring the 1915 massacres of Armenians by Ottoman Turks genocide.

          Why now? Because the last eyewitnesses of this barbaric genocide are
          almost all gone. Without these survivors, the Turkish government and
          its powerful and sleazy lobbyists who profit from 1.5 million dead
          souls will be even more emboldened. No witnesses, no genocide.

          We must not allow the truth to go with the survivors.

          Two Connecticut survivors died in the past year: Maritza Ohanesian,
          born in 1905, and Yegsa Mazadoorian, born in 1912, both of New
          Britain. These women, pillars of the region's Armenian American
          community, were small children who witnessed mass rape, deportation
          and murder at the hands of soldiers of the Ottoman Empire.

          Mrs. Ohanesian, the eldest of five children, was the only survivor in
          her family. Mrs. Mazadoorian's obituary said: "She personally witnessed
          the most barbaric treatment of fellow Armenians and actually started
          out with her mother and two uncles in the horrible death marches in
          which her mother and uncles were put to death.

          Before her death, her mother literally gave her young daughter Yegsa
          away in order to save her daughter's life."

          There are believed to be fewer than 10 genocide survivors left in
          our state. Who will tell their stories when they are all gone?

          Armenians were slaughtered for no reason other than their ethnicity.

          For us and the rest of the Armenian diaspora, justice delayed is
          justice denied.

          In a civilized world, neither ally nor foe should be given a free
          pass for crimes against humanity in the name of political expedience.

          Denial is the final act perpetuating the genocide, far more painful
          for the survivors and their families than the fleeting moment of
          embarrassment for an honest Turkish government would be.

          Turkey claims to be a great ally of the United States, yet would
          threaten sanctions for passing a nonbinding resolution stating what
          genocide scholar Elie Weisel and others know to be the truth: The
          Armenian genocide happened.

          If Turkey is indeed our friend, why should the truth threaten the
          security of our troops? Twenty-three other countries have passed
          similar resolutions. It is time for Turkey to live up to its billing
          as a modern democracy and allow open discussion of its history instead
          of punishing academics and journalists for such attempts.

          After Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a notorious Holocaust
          denier, visited the United States last month, President Bush was
          invited to speak at an Iranian university. A National Security
          Council spokesman said, "President Bush looks forward to traveling to
          a democratic Iran, an Iran where its leaders allow freedom of speech
          and assembly for all of its people, and an Iran where the leaders mourn
          the victims of the Holocaust, not call for the destruction of Israel."

          Sadly, the Bush administration protects a Turkish government that
          squelches free speech and denies the slaughter of Armenians rather
          than mourning the victims.

          Acknowledging the genocide would only benefit Turkey. It would
          enhance Turkey's prospects for much-desired membership in the European
          Union. Modern Germany fares better today for having recognized the
          atrocities of the Holocaust.

          Adolf Hitler used the Armenian genocide as the model for his mass
          killings. He pointed out: "Who, after all, speaks today of the
          annihilation of the Armenians?"

          I speak for them, and so did Mrs. Mazadoorian and Mrs. Ohanesian.

          John C. Geragosian, D-New Britain, is chairman of the Democratic
          caucus in the state House of Representatives. He is the only Armenian
          American member of the General Assembly and is an organizer of the
          annual Armenian genocide commemoration at the state Capitol.

          By Michael A. Moodian

          Ventura County Star, CA

          Oct 21 2007

          >From 1915 to 1917, it is estimated that nearly 1.5 million Armenians
          were killed by the Ottoman Empire in one of the greatest systematic
          massacres in the history of modern civilization. Today, more than
          20 countries, including Russia, Canada, Greece, Italy and Poland,
          formally recognize the atrocious events at the start of the 20th
          century as a genocide. However, Oct. 10, the Bush administration, in
          a direct insult to the people of Armenia and hundreds of thousands
          Armenian-Americans, urged the House not to support a resolution
          sponsored by Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., in which the United States
          would officially recognize the event as a genocide, citing a potential
          strain in relations with Turkey.

          Could there be a greater hypocrisy? On one hand, the Bush
          administration is saying that we are engaged in a war to liberate the
          Iraqi people from a recent history of large-scale massacres from the
          Saddam Hussein regime, yet, we will do so by disregarding historical
          crimes against humanity by our key ally in the Middle East?

          The American Heritage Dictionary defines "genocide" as "the systematic
          and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or
          ethnic group." However, though President Bush acknowledges the tragedy
          of the mass killings during the World War I era, he fears losing a
          geographic ally in the supposed "war against terror." How keen of him.

          To add to this, Oct. 11, Turkey announced that it was recalling its
          U.S. ambassador, Nabi Sensoy, in response to a House committee passing
          the resolution.

          For Turkey, it is a move to show the mighty United States that it
          means business. As history has demonstrated time and time again with
          other regimes, the government of Turkey is diametrically opposed
          to recognizing a dark era of history through the initiative. Today,
          it is ready to stand its ground if the United States moves forward
          with such a stance.

          Putting opinions of the legality and justness of the expensive American
          occupation of Iraq aside, whatever happened to the strength, valor,
          ideals and values that made America great? Why are we bowing to the
          Turkish government right now? Isn't it time to, as the motto of a
          Southern California congressional candidate states, "do what is right
          and let the consequences follow"?

          The bottom line is that the United States needs the help of Turkey to
          continue with its occupation of Iraq. However, we are the superpower
          of the world and the relationship is mutually beneficial.

          What is the worst-case scenario if we were to publicly recognize
          the genocide that was committed by an earlier government at another
          time in history? Yes, it would cause a stir in the beginning, but,
          in the long run, it would most certainly be in Turkey's best interest
          to remain a collaborator with the United States.

          Perhaps what is most disheartening is that we still have more than
          one year of an incapable Bush administration to continue with damage
          that will take far longer than his eight years in office to repair.

          Here's hoping that the next president - Republican, Democrat or
          independent - works to end the occupation of Iraq, restore America
          back to the values and ideals that we should stand for, and supports
          the acknowledgment one of the greatest atrocities of the 20th century.

          Concurrently, part of the blame lies with the U.S. education system,
          which has done a poor job of bringing justice to this event. History
          classes offer a short segment, if any time at all, to the Armenian
          genocide. It will take increased education to lead to a greater
          recognition so that history does not repeat itself, and the proper
          respect is given to 1.5 million who were killed.

          - Michael A. Moodian, Ed.D., of Rancho Santa Margarita, is a professor
          of organizational leadership. His first book, "Contemporary Leadership
          and Intercultural Competence," will be released in 2008 by Sage
          What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.


          • #45
            Re: Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship
            Clears The 200 Mark

            Members of The Armenian Community React... (Part II)

            By Donald Poochigian, a philosophy professor at UND.

            Grand Forks Herald , ND
            Oct 24 2007

            GRAND FORKS - Please accept my apology for my inadequacies, but the
            assertion in a Herald editorial that "Successful American foreign
            policy generally passes two tests: It's both right and in our national
            interest," confuses me ("Back off on genocide bill in Congress,"
            Page 4A, Oct. 16).

            Since Congress never has apologized for the devastation of the
            American Indian population for colonization or to the African American
            population for slavery, do these fail the "right" or "interest"
            test? Perhaps neither is relevant because they are not issues of
            "foreign policy." If so, then why did Congress fund construction of
            a monument to the xxxish Holocaust by the Nazis? Is this a "foreign
            policy" issue? Why not of the Romani (gypsies), equally devastated
            by the Nazis?

            What also of the official congressional apology for internment of
            Japanese Americans in World War II? Is this a "foreign policy" issue?

            If a domestic policy issue, what is the Herald's test(s) for
            "successful American [domestic] policy?" What is an issue of "foreign
            policy," and what standard(s) apply to domestic policy?

            Confusion multiplies because the editorial stipulates that "Successful
            American foreign policy generally passes two tests."

            Unspecified are the exceptions acknowledged by the word "generally,"
            and why the unstated exception does not apply to acknowledgment of
            the Armenian genocide by Turkey.

            To what extent as well does the editorial board's standard of being
            "both right and in our national interest" apply to its own policy? In
            the same Oct. 16 Herald, three articles on Israel appear: "Simmering
            tensions; All's quiet on Israel's northeastern front, for now"
            (Page 3D), "Israel's Holocaust memorial unveils tree that saved xxx"
            (Page 4D), and "Israel plans new benefits for Holocaust survivors"
            (Page 5D).

            Is this coverage a matter of being "right" or "in our national
            interest?" If not, what is the test, and why do the Armenians not
            pass it? As an Armenian American born and raised in California by
            parents born and raised in California, who has lived in Grand Forks
            for more than three decades, this is of interest to me.

            Also of interest is how the editorial board knows the motives of
            congressional support for acknowledging the Armenian genocide is,
            "Because House Democrats want to sabotage the war in Iraq." Evidence
            for this assertion is not provided, other than an administration agent
            of the "partisan smog in Washington" claiming, "It's a brilliant ploy
            - the Dems get to stab our troops in the back, but lay the blame off
            on the Turks." Democrats never expressing such a motive, how does
            "Ralph Peters, columnist for the New York Post" know this?

            Obviously these issues are of importance to me as an Armenian American,
            and the Herald's considerate clarification of them in a future article
            would be helpful for my understanding of my place in the Grand Forks


            Metal Underground, MD
            Oct 23 2007

            Los Angeles based ONESIDEZERO guitarist, Levon Sultanian, has
            commented on the Bush administration's recommendation to Congress to
            reject legislation that would declare the World War I-era killings
            of hundreds of thousands of Armenians as genocide.

            "Genocide still exists. We saw it in Rwanda (1994) and we see it in
            Darfur today. The only thing worse is when a mass killing of a nation
            is NOT RECOGNIZED as a GENOCIDE, like the Armenian Genocide," says
            Sultanian. "The Bush Administration is worried that the passing of the
            Armenian Resolution and recognizing the mass killings in 1915 of 1.5
            million Armenians will badly damage the American-Turkish relations
            and U.S. interests in the Middle East (Iraq and Afghanistan). How
            distorted is our government's priorities? Are financial stakes more
            important than recognizing and acknowledging injustice against
            humanity? The Armenian Genocide happened; it is a reality in the
            history of mankind. Honest Turks like Orhan Pamuk, Nobel Peace Prize
            winner, acknowledge the Armenian Genocide and had the balls to ask
            that all Turks accept this dark historic reality."

            What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.


            • #46
              So-called Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship

              In generally, many Armenians say that Turks killed 1.5 milion Armenians!

              I can not understand !!! your lobbies always mention this allegation! But it is out of international law! Your lobbies only dragoon foreign governments!! especially in elections! France,US you always dragoon governments BUT ARMENIAN GOVERNMENT CAN NOT SHOW REAL DOCUMENTs ABOUT 1,5 MILION ARMENIANS NAME LIST! Sorry, I don't believe this allegation! IF your government show us name lists and their family trees,I believe!


              • #47
                Re: So-called Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship

                Originally posted by Kanki View Post
                In generally, many Armenians say that Turks killed 1.5 milion Armenians!

                I can not understand !!! your lobbies always mention this allegation! But it is out of international law! Your lobbies only dragoon foreign governments!! especially in elections! France,US you always dragoon governments BUT ARMENIAN GOVERNMENT CAN NOT SHOW REAL DOCUMENTs ABOUT 1,5 MILION ARMENIANS NAME LIST! Sorry, I don't believe this allegation! IF your government show us name lists and their family trees,I believe!
                Would you be so kind as to not "believe this allegation" on some other forum?
                ԼՈԼ, Փեփսի Ատտիքթ


                • #48
                  Re: So-called Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship

                  Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
                  Would you be so kind as to not "believe this allegation" on some other forum?
                  Why don't you show real population government documents about identity of innocent armenians!
                  why don't you show their names and family trees? or how do you know "1,5 milions"???


                  • #49
                    Re: So-called Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship

                    Originally posted by Kanki View Post
                    Why don't you show real population government documents about identity of innocent armenians!
                    why don't you show their names and family trees? or how do you know "1,5 milions"???


                    • #50
                      Re: Armenian Genocide Resolution Cosponsorship
                      Clears The 200 Mark

                      1 of 2
                      Members of The Armenian Community React... (Part III)

                      by Onnik Krikorian

                      Global Voices Online, MA
                      Oct 22 2007

                      It's not often that Armenia makes international headlines across the
                      globe, but when it does it's usually because of one issue that remains
                      fiercely debated until this day - the massacre and deportation of
                      as many as 1.5 million Armenians from Ottoman Turkey in 1915-17. 22
                      countries recognize the events that occurred towards the end of World
                      War I as genocide, a charge that the modern-day Republic of Turkey
                      refuses to accept even though the term was devised by Raphael Lemkin
                      in 1943 with the Armenian and Jewish experience in mind.

                      Most scholars also recognize the Armenian Genocide as such, but
                      for the large and influential Armenian Diaspora, recognition by
                      the United States is considered to be the main objective of its
                      continuing international campaign. It's no wonder then, that when
                      a U.S. Congressional House Committee on Foreign Affairs passed a
                      resolution to recognize the Armenian Genocide by 27 votes to 20
                      on 10 October, not only did the news make international headlines,
                      but it also defined conversation in much of the blogosphere.

                      Writing on's Life in Armenia immediately after the
                      resolution was passed, Yerevan-based American-Armenian, Raffi
                      Kojian, noted the prominence of the story as a leading item in the
                      international media.

                      What was very interesting for me this morning, was reading all
                      the news articles, and there was definitely no shortage of them. I
                      opened Google News to search for "Armenian Genocide" to see if it
                      passed, but instead was greeted with "Armenian Genocide Resolution
                      Passes Committee" as the top headline, with 650 stories already on
                      the topic. That's big news! The coverage and points being raised
                      were quite varied, from the sickening editorial in the Washington
                      Post to widespread calls for doing the right thing. Lantos, head of
                      the committee, summarized the vote beforehand as choosing between
                      acknowledging a genocide, and appeasing Turkey for military reasons.

                      Basically, do the right thing, or give in to the questionable
                      arm-twisting of a supposed ally - though he did not put it in those
                      undiplomatic terms.

                      Although such resolutions are not new in the United States, with
                      past experience showing that national security concerns and foreign
                      policy objectives eventually prevent such acknowledgment from passing
                      into law, reaction from Diasporan bloggers was ecstatic. Writing on
            's Life in the Armenian Diaspora, Lori wrote an entry in
                      pretty much the same vein.

                      I'll never forget this day! How monumental is this? Sitting in
                      California unable to watch the House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting
                      I had my father calling me from Armenia to provide periodic updates
                      since he was able to watch the session live. I can't even begin
                      to express how I'm feeling right now, I'm happy, proud, relieved,
                      ecstatic, encouraged, hopeful.....Finally, our efforts weren't in
                      vain. Finally, a president didn't succeed in shooting this resolution
                      down. I must say that as a Clinton supporter I was disappointed in him,
                      but I expected it from Bush and it feels SO GOOD seeing his efforts
                      to stop this resolution from passing fail. I want to find the 27
                      members of the committee who voted and shake their hands. I want to
                      thank them for not buying into the threats Turkey made and for not
                      allowing themselves or their ethics to be bought by the Turkish lobby,
                      for not bending over and being Turkey's puppets.

                      Reaction in the Turkish blogosphere, however, was obviously very
                      different. Even 92 years after what most people do consider to be
                      Genocide, the Republic of Turkey as well as everyday Turks deny that
                      the event took place. Moreover, they blame the Armenian Diaspora
                      rather than the modern-day Republic of Armenia for attempts to have
                      the Genocide recognized in the United States. As the Turkish government
                      responded to the passing of the resolution by threatening to withdraw
                      logistical support for American troops in Iraq, Erkan's Field Diary
                      was one of the first Turkish blogs to react to the news.

                      27 members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee who are the
                      representatives of American citizens are meddling into a past they
                      have no f***** idea, acting as peons of a genocide industry... Well
                      done dudes, this shows very well that a Democrats-controlled Congress
                      is even worse for Turkey. I hope you can do any good for your own
                      people after making Middle East even messier with your anti-Turkish

                      Yet, given that the resolution first and foremost concerned Armenia
                      and Turkey, two countries which share an albeit closed border and
                      which have not established diplomatic ties primarily because of the
                      international campaign for Genocide recognition, the bulk of posts
                      on this subject primarily came from American and English bloggers. To
                      begin with, this was because prior to the vote by the House Committee,
                      U.S. President George W. Bush attempted to intervene to prevent
                      its passage.

                      The blogosphere was set alight by critical posts from American
                      citizens protesting that fact. 1 Boring Old Man was particularly angry,
                      pointing out that Bush is hardly the most appropriate person to offer
                      his opinion on "crimes against humanity."

                      I doubt that Mr. Bush knows where Armenia is unless someone briefed
                      him recently, or knows anything about the Turks and the Ottoman
                      Empire, or knows who Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was or of his place in
                      Turkish history, or has read anything [even Wikipedia] about the
                      Armenian/Turkish struggles, or cares much about any of these things.

                      All he knows is that it is not polically expedient for our country to
                      acknowledge the Armenian mass killing as a genocide because it will
                      infuriate the Turks who are NATO Allies. His deepest understanding
                      is to do the politically expedient thing.


                      He's no person to be entering the debate about the Armenian Genocide.

                      First, he doesn't know anything about it. Second, the issue is way
                      too close to home for him to be objective. He cites his "War on
                      Terror." What he doesn't mention is his own Terrorism...

                      Winter Patriot agreed.

                      [...] As far as I can tell, it boils down to a question of language.

                      We're not supposed to call a historical crime against humanity by
                      its rightful name because that would put a crimp in the current
                      crime against humanity, which we are also not supposed to call by
                      its rightful name.

                      Two days later, the conversation changed as the White House continued
                      to apply pressure to prevent the resolution from being put to the
                      U.S. Congress for a full vote in November. With Turkey continuing to
                      make threats to prevent U.S. troops in Iraq from being supplied via
                      its territory, and with the Turkish Ambassador being "temporarily
                      withdrawn, "opponents of the resolution started to accuse U.S.

                      Congressional Speaker Nancy Pelosi of supporting House Resolution
                      106 in an attempt to scupper the war effort. Blogs such as The Hill's
                      Pundits Blog took the same line in cyberspace.

                      Speaker Nancy Pelosi has picked the worst time to play politics when
                      it comes to Iraq, Turkey and Armenia.


                      We are now in a real war with terrorists. We have more than 100,000
                      troops in Iraq. We have the Turks threatening to invade Kurdistan,
                      just as Joe Biden talks about creating Kurdistan out of the ashes
                      of Iraq. We have a more Islamic-leaning Turkish government. We are a
                      fighting a global war on terror, where we need the help of the Turks
                      more than ever.

                      And Nancy Pelosi has decided to bring the same resolution to the floor,
                      threatening our national security by playing politics.


                      This is a bad time to play politics, Madame Speaker, especially on
                      this issue, follow the lead of your predecessor. Choose American
                      national security over domestic politics.

                      The Simi Valley Sophist went further and effectively accused Pelosi
                      of treason.

                      Despite the Turkish threat, Pelosi is pushing forward with the
                      resolution. What is Pelosi's political imperative? It surely is not
                      Armenian votes. And, it surely is not a fear of additional American
                      service personnel deaths.


                      Now, you go ahead and tell me that Pelosi cares about the welfare of
                      our troops. And, you go ahead and tell me that Pelosi actually cares
                      about the memories of Armenians. I'll submit to you that Pelosi has
                      simply found another mechanism to throw a monkey wrench into the Iraqi
                      war effort. I'm sorry, but I don't find that patriotic. I hark back
                      to the Vietnam War era traitor, Jane Fonda.

                      This Ain't Hell... concurred.

                      [...] Historians will remember that the Democrat "leadership"
                      (using the term loosely) are a traitorous bunch of double-dealing,
                      back-stabbing punk-ass sissies who can't summon the fortitude to stand
                      up to a few squeakywheels on the internet. That'll be their legacy.

                      Faced with such an outcry domestically, perhaps it was no wonder that
                      many of the same Congressional Representatives that supported the
                      resolution started to back away from HR 106. Interestingly, though,
                      few of those bloggers which opposed the resolution actually denied
                      that the Armenian Genocide took place. Instead, once again, national
                      security and foreign policy objectives took precedence over what most
                      Armenians consider to be the quest for "historical justice." Cribs
                      and Ranting was one of them.

                      It was a grand and appropriate gesture, befitting statesmen, by the US
                      House of Representatives to officially dub the massacre of Armenians
                      by the Ottoman Turks as "genocide". The US need not have made the
                      first move on this, but it did it in line with its assumed role as
                      a global leader, as a beacon of freedom to the rest of the world.

                      Unfortunately, reality hit the House representatives, real hard. It
                      is not the truth that prevails, even if it is a genocide. Usually it
                      are the hard, cynical ground realities that win.


                      Worried about antagonizing Turkish leaders, House members from both
                      parties have begun to withdraw their support from a resolution backed
                      by the Democratic leadership that would condemn as genocide the mass
                      killings of Armenians nearly a century ago, reports The New York Times.


                      Turkey has promised to turn over documents and support a conference to
                      determine whether there was a genocide of Armenians. That conference
                      would take years to convene, and maybe years to arrive at any
                      conclusion. But it may now provide the House of Representatives a
                      fig-leaf of an excuse to get out of the embarrassment their idealism
                      got them into.

                      Deja vu - the same happened in 2000 when another resolution recognizing
                      the Armenian Genocide was about to be put to a full Congressional
                      vote. It wasn't long before Armenian bloggers such as ArtMika at
                      Unzipped started to write more on developments which to be honest,
                      shouldn't really have come as much surprise to anyone.

                      It seems that Bush + Turkey & co 'succeded' again. A number of
                      House members panicky withdrew their support as co-sponsors of the
                      resolution. To get majority seems unlikely now, and House Speaker Nancy
                      Pelosi may be forced to shelve or postpone it. I felt kind of disgust
                      when read the news (below, via iararat). They used us or got used
                      and then threw away... as usual. Pure 'moral dimension' in politics.


                      ABC News' George Stephanopoulos reports: "According to Congressional
                      and Bush administration sources, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is
                      now unlikely to bring a resolution which would label the deaths of
                      Armenians in a conflict more than 90 years ago as "genocide".

                      Yet, while history looked set to repeat itself with another resolution
                      about to be blocked because of concerns about the war in Iraq and
                      U.S.-Turkish relations, some interesting precedents did occur in the
                      blogosphere. Firstly, and as was the case with the murder earlier
                      this year of ethnic Armenian journalist and editor Hrant Dink in
                      Istanbul, the Armenian blogosphere was defined more by numerous posts
                      from non-Armenians.

                      Truly, the conversation was global and the media also sought to solicit
                      opinions from bloggers and internet users. One of those was Inside
                      Higher Ed which ran an interesting article on the role of academia
                      in the debate over the Armenian Genocide. The online article allowed
                      commenting in the same way as a standard blog post.

                      More significantly, perhaps, and although Armenian and Turkish
                      bloggers avoided discussing HR 106 together online, some Turks
                      attempted to reach out to ethnic Armenians via their blogs. One of
                      those was Turkish writer, Mustafa Akyol, at The White Path.

                      A few days ago a new friend of mine who happens to be an American
                      Armenian played some beautiful songs for me that come from the
                      deepest roots of her ethnic tradition. While I enjoyed the numinous
                      rhythms of that magnetic Armenian music, I realized how similar they
                      were to the tunes of the Turkish classical music that I have grown
                      up hearing. "Despite all the political warfare," I said to myself,
                      "alas, look how similar we are." I actually have a similar feeling
                      when I drive along the magnificent mosques and palaces of Istanbul,
                      some of which were built by Armenian architects - men in fez who
                      devoutly worshiped Christ and proudly served the Sultan.

                      Well, we were the children of the same empire, weren't we? We actually
                      lived side by side as good neighbors for centuries until the modern
                      virus called "nationalism" descended upon us. And then hell broke


                      Convey your message calmly, in other words, and it will be heard. But
                      don't try to impose it onto us. We are not a nation of monsters,
                      but we do have a stubborn side. When foreigners start to dictate our
                      history to us, we tend to revert back to our grandmothers' stories.

                      And if we will start listening to your narrative, that will not be
                      because we are pushed into a corner by the politics of a powerful
                      lobby, but because our hearts are touched by the memoirs of a terrible
                      What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.