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Armenia: the end of the debate?

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  • AlphaPapa
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    Speaking of 'end of debate'

    PanARMENIAN.Net/ The influential Swedish newspaper Metro refuses to publish any article which may have a reference to the Armenian Genocide , Ara Papyan , historian, diplomat and currently the head of the Modus Vivendi center told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter.

    According to the expert, editor-in-chief of Per Gunne refuses to place any article in the newspaper about the Armenian Genocide, because he is "no longer sure if there was genocide or not."

    “The same change in policy has been adopted by another Swedish daily, Svenska Dagbladet, which, through the well-known journalist Bitte Hammargren, now uses the media expression of “Armenian massacres”, as opposed to the legal term “genocide”.

    “These are not mere words, but represent policy. Policies have changed immensely lately, and they have changed after that unfortunate pair of protocols normalization of the Armenia-Turkey relations was signed, “ Ara Papyan said.

    Earlier, fact of the Armenian Genocide was questioned by the well-known Canadian Embassy magazine. Following the signing of the protocols Embassy magazine in its October issue placed an article in which, inter alia, states: ''The Armenians of Armenia have made a deal and set up a joint historical commission to determine what actually happened in 1915''.

    In the publication the author comes to the conclusion that ''what happened to the Armenian population was not a genocide''.

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  • Diranakir
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    The following is my comment on Dyer's vicious opinion piece. I sent it to every
    web based news site I could find it posted on. Since he is published in 175 different places he will be very difficult to counter. Clearly he is a gold mine for the Turkish denialist juggernaut (along with Stephen Kinzer):

    Mr. Dyer has clearly ventured beyond the limits of his craft and abandoned rudimentary norms of objectivity with the cavalier and false assertions he makes in his piece on the Armenian Question (End of The Debate?). One can only ascribe this to an Olympian contempt for Armenian history. If this is so, he should have left the subject alone and concentrated on areas in which he is better qualified. It would certainly be in Mr. Dyer's interest to see the debate end with the publication of this atrocious opinion piece, before anyone had the chance to look into his assertions. He needs to be quoted here: " Armenians who made it alive to Syria, then also part of the Ottoman empire, were not sent to death camps. Indeed, they became the ancestors of today's huge Armenian diaspora." Indeed! Apparently Mr. Dyer has never heard of, or chooses to ignore, the infamous graveyard of almost all the Armenians driven out of Anatolia, Der Zor in SYRIA., where they perished in their hundreds of thousands from death marches, starvation and the thrashing of Ottoman swords and clubs. THEY, of course, did not have the distinction of being the ancestors of today's "huge" Armenian diaspora, as he puts it. And, of course, he would have us believe that all of this was mere happenstance unconnected with any policy! A very fine distinction
    that only someone who had spent a lifetime studying, teaching and propagating history could make! Rubbish!
    Last edited by Diranakir; 10-27-2009, 08:46 PM.

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  • Catharsis
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
    This B'itch has an agenda. Like Catharsis said above, unfortunately thanks to the signed protocols we will see more denialist low lives who are paid by our enemy or otherwise has an agenda to deny the Genocide. They wouldn't dare to do it to the Joos as the Joos would not stand for it. They have the whole world in their little palm.
    Weakness in all its manifestations is always inviting.

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  • Anoush
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    This B'itch has an agenda. Like Catharsis said above, unfortunately thanks to the signed protocols we will see more denialist low lives who are paid by our enemy or otherwise has an agenda to deny the Genocide. They wouldn't dare to do it to the Joos as the Joos would not stand for it. They have the whole world in their little palm.

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  • Catharsis
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    Originally posted by Jos View Post
    He's been published in over 175 papers newspapers globally.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynne_Dyer
    If so, this is even more embarrassing and only to his discredit since he has not taken the time to actually study the facts of the Armenian Genocide.

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  • Eddo211
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    Originally posted by Jos View Post
    You make it sound as if he were random pimply faced kid with a blog. To the contrary, his resume looks quite impressive:

    "GWYNNE DYER has worked as a freelance journalist, columnist, broadcaster and lecturer on international affairs for more than 20 years, but he was originally trained as an historian. Born in Newfoundland, he received degrees from Canadian, American and British universities, finishing with a Ph.D. in Military and Middle Eastern History from the University of London. He served in three navies and held academic appointments at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and Oxford University before launching his twice-weekly column on international affairs, which is published by over 175 papers in some 45 countries."
    http://www.gwynnedyer.com/

    "Isn't actually employed as a journalist"???? Are you serious? He's been published in over 175 papers newspapers globally.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynne_Dyer
    He is a freelance journalist who wouldn’t miss a chance to write in favor of the highest biter..................have you checked his website?

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  • Armanen
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    Originally posted by Jos View Post
    You make it sound as if he were random pimply faced kid with a blog. To the contrary, his resume looks quite impressive:

    "GWYNNE DYER has worked as a freelance journalist, columnist, broadcaster and lecturer on international affairs for more than 20 years, but he was originally trained as an historian. Born in Newfoundland, he received degrees from Canadian, American and British universities, finishing with a Ph.D. in Military and Middle Eastern History from the University of London. He served in three navies and held academic appointments at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and Oxford University before launching his twice-weekly column on international affairs, which is published by over 175 papers in some 45 countries."
    http://www.gwynnedyer.com/

    "Isn't actually employed as a journalist"???? Are you serious? He's been published in over 175 papers newspapers globally.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynne_Dyer

    Have you heard of the saying 'quality over quantity'? This is a prime example of a person who has a lot on paper, but based on the article you posted, seems either be ignorant of the historical facts and dimensions and/or have an agenda.


    The verdict stands, dyer is an idiot.

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  • Jos
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    The bud seems to have withered and died.


    Translation: she/he lives in London (just like everyone else living in London lives in London), isn't actually employed as a journalist, but has a blog that has been read by persons from 45 different countries.
    You make it sound as if he were random pimply faced kid with a blog. To the contrary, his resume looks quite impressive:

    "GWYNNE DYER has worked as a freelance journalist, columnist, broadcaster and lecturer on international affairs for more than 20 years, but he was originally trained as an historian. Born in Newfoundland, he received degrees from Canadian, American and British universities, finishing with a Ph.D. in Military and Middle Eastern History from the University of London. He served in three navies and held academic appointments at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and Oxford University before launching his twice-weekly column on international affairs, which is published by over 175 papers in some 45 countries."
    http://www.gwynnedyer.com/

    "Isn't actually employed as a journalist"???? Are you serious? He's been published in over 175 papers newspapers globally.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynne_Dyer

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  • AlphaPapa
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    Well, people survived Nazi camps after having lived there for many years, therefore by her reasoning there was no holocaust! Yay! We can all have a nice global group hug now!!

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Re: Armenia: the end of the debate?

    Long ago, when I was a budding historian.
    The bud seems to have withered and died.

    Gwynne Dyer is a London-based independent journalist whose articles are published in 45 countries.
    Translation: she/he lives in London (just like everyone else living in London lives in London), isn't actually employed as a journalist, but has a blog that has been read by persons from 45 different countries.
    Last edited by bell-the-cat; 10-21-2009, 10:25 AM.

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