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Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks

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  • Jos
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    Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

    Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
    Jos couldn`t probably sleep all these days because of the recognition and just had to post something in order to relieve his/her pain. Parliament doesn`t always agree with the government or vice versa. But it`s election year in Sweden and if the opposition wins(which is pretty likely considering the poll numbers) then it will be difficult to find articles like the one Jos posted because the recognition was made possible when the opposition and a few members of the center-right coalition joined together and voted to recognize the Genocide against the Armenians, Assyrians and the Pontian Greeks.
    Time will tell Alexandros, but it doesn't do much for Sweden's credibility now when they flip flop from one side the other with these sorts of issues. My guess would be that with forthcoming elections it would seem to suggest that a lot of domestic politics might be at play here.

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  • Alexandros
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    Jos couldn`t probably sleep all these days because of the recognition and just had to post something in order to relieve his/her pain. Parliament doesn`t always agree with the government or vice versa. But it`s election year in Sweden and if the opposition wins(which is pretty likely considering the poll numbers) then it will be difficult to find articles like the one Jos posted because the recognition was made possible when the opposition and a few members of the center-right coalition joined together and voted to recognize the Genocide against the Armenians, Assyrians and the Pontian Greeks.
    Last edited by Alexandros; 03-14-2010, 08:05 AM.

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  • Jos
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    Sweden, Turkey jointly denounce genocide vote
    Luke Baker
    Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:17pm EST

    SAARISELKA, Finland (Reuters) - The foreign ministers of Turkey and Sweden condemned on Saturday a vote in the Swedish parliament that defined the early 20th-century killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as genocide.

    Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, who is holding informal talks with foreign ministers including Turkey's Ahmet Davutoglu in northern Finland, said he was upset by the vote on Thursday and concerned it could affect Turkish-Armenian reconciliation.

    "It's regrettable because I think the politicization of history serves no useful purpose," he told reporters.

    "We are interested in the business of reconciliation, and decisions like that tend to raise tensions rather than lower tensions," he said.

    Sweden's parliament, by a vote of 131-130, backed a resolution that branded the killing of up to 1.5 million Christian Armenians by Ottoman Turks as a genocide, a term that Turkey resolutely rejects.

    Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt phoned his Turkish counterpart, Tayyip Erdogan, on Saturday and said he disagreed with the resolution, according to a statement on the Turkish prime minister's official website.

    The vote followed a decision by a committee of the U.S. House of Representatives the week before approving a nonbinding measure condemning the 1915 killings.

    In both cases Turkey responded angrily, withdrawing its ambassadors to Washington and Stockholm.

    The vote in the Swedish parliament was particularly galling for Turkey as Sweden is one of Ankara's strongest backers on issues such as Turkey's desire to join the European Union.

    Reinfeldt told Erdogan Sweden would continue to back Turkey's EU bid and that the vote was driven by domestic politics and would not affect bilateral relations, the statement said. Erdogan canceled a planned visit to Sweden this month, and the government recalled its ambassador from Stockholm.

    Davutoglu said Turkey would not stand by quietly if other nations took similar steps to describe the 1915 killings as a genocide and said it was pointless for countries to think they could put pressure on Turkey.

    "We will not be silent and we will not just show the usual attitudes. For each case we will have a different (set of) measures," he said.

    "What is the purpose of this? If the purpose is to make pressure, nobody can make pressure on Turkey. if the purpose is to get local domestic concerns raised, Turkish historical events should not be misused for these narrow issues."

    Davutoglu, the architect of Turkey's foreign policy of re-engaging with its neighbors, including Armenia, said it was wrong for parliaments to think they could define history purely via a vote.

    He also said he was concerned about the impact the vote could have on efforts by Armenia and Turkey to reconcile their history and find a political common ground at a time when they are making progress toward normalizing relations.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62C0Z520100313

    Approves then regrets. Sweden seems to be chasing its tail at the moment....?

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  • GreekForumer
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    Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
    I wish NZ had that much guts, we have weak cowardly politicians these days; anyway one more recognition in Europe is a good thing and people should keep it up.
    NZ, and Australia for that matter, will never recognise the AG because the Turkish government will force us to choose between AG recognition and the Anzac cove commemorations in Turkey every 25th April.

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  • hipeter924
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    Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
    Sweden`s Parliament just recently recognized the Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians and Pontian Greeks.

    This was extremely close.

    131 voted in favour to recognize the Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians and Pontian Greeks while 130 voted against recognition.
    I wish NZ had that much guts, we have weak cowardly politicians these days; anyway one more recognition in Europe is a good thing and people should keep it up.

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  • CRDA-France
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    Originally posted by Joseph View Post
    Great news. What makes it great is that it recognizes the Assyrian, Armenian, and Pontic Greek genocide. It was after all a genocide of Christian minorities in Turkey/Ottoman Empire. We should all be working together and that has always beens the weakness of the recognition cause; it was inability to work together. The Assyrian community which has a large diaspora in Sweden was the driving force.
    Armenian Americans can be active in this swedish process in doing targetted e-mails to Swedish American Associations which are related with Sweden
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    There are also official Swedish institutions in America. It is possible to thank them :




    I have created a new page for the French Armenians to do the same for Swedens in France :


    Another page > Historical relations between Armenians and Sweden : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...ys/suede00.htm

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  • Federate
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    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    Why is our Presidency or our FM not coming with a statement regarding this.

    Are we napping again ?
    Surprisingly, we're not .
    -------------------------------------------------------
    Armenia Thanks Sweden For Genocide Recognition

    Ruben Meloyan

    Armenia’s leaders thanked Sweden’s parliament on Friday for adopting a resolution that recognizes the World War One-era mass killings and deportations of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide.

    President Serzh Sarkisian hailed the development at a meeting with Goran Lennmarker, the visiting chairman of the Swedish parliament’s foreign affairs committee. He said “recognition of and condemnation of crimes against humanity is the best way to avert such crimes.”

    Speaking to RFE/RL earlier in the day, Lennmarker endorsed the resolution which was opposed by the Swedish parliament but passed by a 131-130 vote. He said he would have voted for the measure had he not been absent from Stockholm during Thursday’s vote.

    Lennmarker, who is better known in Armenia as the Nagorno-Karabakh rapporteur of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly, visited on Thursday the Yerevan memorial to up to 1.5 million Armenians killed in what many historians consider a genocide.

    Parliament speaker Hovik Abrahamian also welcomed the resolution strongly condemned by Ankara. “I think that with its historic decision Sweden’s parliament … will also contribute to peace and stability in the South Caucasus,” Abrahamian said in a letter to his Swedish counterpart, Per Westerberg.

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned, meanwhile, that the Swedish vote “can hurt relations between Turkey and Armenia.” He appeared to refer to the fence-mending agreements signed by the two estranged nations last fall.

    The Turks were already fuming over a similar resolution that was approved last week by a key committee of the U.S. House of Representatives. Reuters news agency reported that Turkish parliamentary speaker Mehmet Ali Sahin said on Friday Western countries whose assemblies have passed such resolutions should “look in the mirror, if they want to find criminals.” He mentioned no specific country.

    “Our 'friend' Sweden has stabbed us in the back with one vote!” read a front-page headline in “Sabah,” a leading Turkish daily.

    Fatih Altayli, editor-in-chief of “Haberturk” daily cited by Reuters, was more sarcastic: “Soon, there will be no Turkish ambassadors left abroad and no foreign country our officials can visit.”

    Armenia’s leaders thanked Sweden’s parliament on Friday for adopting a resolution that recognizes the World War One-era mass killings and deportations of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide.

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  • londontsi
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    Originally posted by Alexandros View Post


    Εύξεινος Πόντος Στοκχόλμης
    EVXINOS PONTOS STOCKHOLM ‐ SWEDEN
    Οι Ποντιακές παραδόσεις συνεχίζονται και στην Σουηδία

    Press release

    Finally a historic resolution

    Stockholm

    March 11, 2010

    It is with great joy that we announce that today, Thursday March 11 the Swedish Parliament has voted for the recognition of the Genocide of the Pontian Greeks and the Christian minorities in Ottoman Turkey. Our association Evxinos Pontos Stockholm congratulates and applauses the Parliament’s decision to recognize the Genocide. We believe that this recognition will strengthen the Turkish state’s democratization and the ongoing research about the Genocide.

    Our association wants first and for most thank the Armenian and Assyrian National Federations for the great cooperation that we had all these years in this matter. Without this cooperation, it wouldn’t be possible to carry on this long, hard and complicated process. We would also like to thank all the members of Parliament that have supported our work all these years and with their votes made it possible for us to have a recognition of the Genocide. At the same time we would like to thank the members of Parliament Hans Linde and Fredrik Malm and the former member of Parliament Tasso Stafilidis for their help to present our plead in the Swedish Parliament.


    Our president about the recognition

    – This is a redress for our forefathers. The recognition is an historic event, not just for Sweden but for the whole world. The recognition is the result of our hard work all these years together with the Armenians and the Assyrians here in Sweden. We have shown the world that justice always wins at the end and history cannot be rewritten by nations or individuals. The Genocide is an historic event, one of the darkest pages of world history books and we hope that Sweden’s recognition will open the eyes of other democratic countries around the world and do the same. We humbly thank all individuals, organizations and members of Parliament that have worked for the recognition of the Genocide, says the association’s president Konstantinos Fraggidis.

    Evxinos Pontos Stockholm will continue to support our Swedish society with
    information so that we all can continue further with an international recognition. Once again we want to present our gratitude to all that have helped us to carry out this recognition in the Swedish Parliament.

    For the association’s board,
    Konstantinos Fraggidis
    President

    Postal address - Ταχυδρομική διεύθυνση Visiting address - Διεύθυνση επίσκεψης Telephone - Τηλέφωνο

    Box 5064, SE‐163 05 Spånga, Sweden Rinkebytorget 1, Rinkeby +46 70 485 65 94

    E-mail address - Ηλεκτρονικό ταχυδρομείο Internet - Ιστοχώρος Fax – Φαξ
    [email protected] www.evxinospontos.com

    Link


    Why is our Presidency or our FM not coming with a statement regarding this.

    Are we napping again ?

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  • Mukuch
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    Kurdish MP's vote casting in Swedish Parliament

    12:02 / 03/12/2010Vote of Swedish MP of Kurdish origin Gulan Avci was crucial in the adoption of Armenian Genocide bill by Swedish Parliament, though Liberal People’s Party opposed the motion.

    In an interview with Firat agency, Avci said that she opposed her party and voted for the bill so that Turkey faces the history. “Turkish Kurds are under menace of Genocide, thus recognition of Genocide by Riksdag is of major significance. I knew that my vote will be decisive and necessary. It is time for Turkey to recognize committed past genocides and massacres. Many states consider Turkey a country that committed a Genocide. This is the first time, that Swedish Parliament recognized Genocide of Pontic Greeks, Assyrians and Syrians,” Avci noted.

    March 11, majority of Swedish parliament voted for the resolution describing the mass killings of Armenians and other Christian minorities in modern Turkey by the end of World War I as genocide. Bill on Armenian Genocide recognition has been proposed by three oppositional parties: Social Democratic, Green and Left. Resolution was adopted with 131 against 130 votes.

    Later Turkey recalled its Ambassador from Stockholm and cancelled Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s visit to Sweden scheduled for March 17 after the adoption of Armenian Genocide Resolution by Riksdag.

    A.G.

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  • Mukuch
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    Originally posted by GreekForumer View Post
    Here is a politician from 2007 saying the truth is "undecided". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPyM2j_wGKM

    I think that a politician openly supporting Turkey on this issue, through outright denial, is a thing of the past.
    I think "the truth is undecided" is also in past. Now it is mostly "it is not a political issue" and "turks are our allies"

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