Protests continue after Ayatollah's warning: Protesters beaten, tear-gassed in street

[Muhaha]

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1) To destabilize the country and drum up support from the west. Lucky for Ahmadinejad, Russia is supporting Iran or else the uprising by the protesters would have succeeded.

2) How am I supposed to know what the C.I.A. is doing. All I know is if there was proof, it wouldn't be allowed to leave the Iranian airwaves which wouldn't really do the Iranian government any good.

3) Pretty much.... money and corruption talks. The regular people lose.

1. Why would their end goal be to destabilize the country and drum up support from the west? Isn't their goal to have Mousavi in power?

2. How would that be possible? You're telling me there is no way we'd find out about any proof their showing? Wouldn't we hear it through SOME corridor?

3. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree with each other. I say it's possible to have a free election in Iran and find out who really won, you say it isn't.

[KanadaHye]

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1. What goal is that?

2. I have no idea what you're saying. I asked you a yes or no question. Is the C.I.A keeping Iranian proof of their statement from reaching us? Why can't the Iranians provide proof of their statements? Why can't they catch all these C.I.A agents running around their country? Wouldn't we know by now, through SOME source, if the Iranian government had provided proof of their statements? You're telling me there is a worldwide campaign of blocking out the proof the Iranians are providing?

3. So....there is no way to have an actual election? It's going to be rigged one way or another?

1) To destabilize the country and drum up support from the west. Lucky for Ahmadinejad, Russia is supporting Iran or else the uprising by the protesters would have succeeded.

2) How am I supposed to know what the C.I.A. is doing. All I know is if there was proof, it wouldn't be allowed to leave the Iranian airwaves which wouldn't really do the Iranian government any good.

3) Pretty much.... money and corruption talks. The regular people lose.

[Muhaha]

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1) The protesters have already achieved their goal. Any further violence would have resulted in a civil war in which the military would have had to get involved.

2) The western media is controlled by... well those that support Israel. The vast media in the middle east is controlled by Saudi's. Between the two media conglomerates, people have to search behind the readily available media to find a different view. This doesn't necessarily mean that one view is either true or false. Just gives you a different perspective. It's difficult to find reliable, independent news sources.

3) If the results were speculated to be rigged, who would have been responsible for recounting? The people involved in the counting process would have had to be replaced so not to repeat the exact same results. And if the results were to differ, the other side would claim that there was enough time to rig the results turning the violence from one side to the other.

1. What goal is that?

2. I have no idea what you're saying. I asked you a yes or no question. Is the C.I.A keeping Iranian proof of their statement from reaching us? Why can't the Iranians provide proof of their statements? Why can't they catch all these C.I.A agents running around their country? Wouldn't we know by now, through SOME source, if the Iranian government had provided proof of their statements? You're telling me there is a worldwide campaign of blocking out the proof the Iranians are providing?

3. So....there is no way to have an actual election? It's going to be rigged one way or another?

[KanadaHye]

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1. It would give the protesters a chance to win against the authorities.

2. So you're telling me the Iranian government is providing proof of their statements and we're just not hearing about them because the C.I.A has a grip on all forms of media?

3. A recount is needed because enough people are protesting in the streets to bring the entire nation to a halt. Why is killing protesters a better option than simply recounting? Or at least, reviewing the election process to make sure nobody tampered with anything.

1) The protesters have already achieved their goal. Any further violence would have resulted in a civil war in which the military would have had to get involved.

2) The western media is controlled by... well those that support Israel. The vast media in the middle east is controlled by Saudi's. Between the two media conglomerates, people have to search behind the readily available media to find a different view. This doesn't necessarily mean that one view is either true or false. Just gives you a different perspective. It's difficult to find reliable, independent news sources.

3) If the results were speculated to be rigged, who would have been responsible for recounting? The people involved in the counting process would have had to be replaced so not to repeat the exact same results. And if the results were to differ, the other side would claim that there was enough time to rig the results turning the violence from one side to the other.

[Muhaha]

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1) C.I.A. able to sneak weapons into Iran? Do you realize how many weapons cross the border of every country in the world? What would passing out weapons to the protesters do except give law enforcement a reason to shoot them? A woman was shot in the protest... although tragic, the media used her for politics.

2) The C.I.A. has provided a lot of fake tapes of "Bin Laden" in a timely manner. Do you really believe they will allow Iranian propaganda to be released in the western media? They wouldn't even allow the truth about the Georgia-Russia-Ossetia conflict be told to the American people.

3) Why would a recount be needed when it wasn't even a close race? Why did John Kerry run on a xxxxty platform and STILL almost won but conceded in the end and gave the victory to Bush. Kerry was xxxx, but everyone voted against Bush.

1. It would give the protesters a chance to win against the authorities.

2. So you're telling me the Iranian government is providing proof of their statements and we're just not hearing about them because the C.I.A has a grip on all forms of media?

3. A recount is needed because enough people are protesting in the streets to bring the entire nation to a halt. Why is killing protesters a better option than simply recounting? Or at least, reviewing the election process to make sure nobody tampered with anything.

[KanadaHye]

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Couple questions on Iran's woeful inefficiency.

1. If the C.I.A is able to sneak weapons inside Iran, why not just pass out a bunch to the protesters?Why waist your time killing a girl hoping it draws international sympathy, that in the end isn't really going to do much? Don't you think the C.I.A or Mossad or MI6 is a little bit more efficient at doing things?

2. Why can't the Iranian government ever provide a little proof for it's statements. Foreign Agents are behind the opposition? Fine, show us some proof. Taped conversations, photos of meetings, videos of meetings, maybe catch a couple of agents in the act and sentence them to death...?

3. You won the election fair and square? Fine, then why do you have a problem with a recount? If you were competing in the 100 Meter Sprint and won...and were sure you won....why would you have a problem with replaying the tapes if your opponents said they crossed the finish line first?

1) C.I.A. able to sneak weapons into Iran? Do you realize how many weapons cross the border of every country in the world? What would passing out weapons to the protesters do except give law enforcement a reason to shoot them? A woman was shot in the protest... although tragic, the media used her for politics.

2) The C.I.A. has provided a lot of fake tapes of "Bin Laden" in a timely manner. Do you really believe they will allow Iranian propaganda to be released in the western media? They wouldn't even allow the truth about the Georgia-Russia-Ossetia conflict be told to the American people.

3) Why would a recount be needed when it wasn't even a close race? Why did John Kerry run on a xxxxty platform and STILL almost won but conceded in the end and gave the victory to Bush. Kerry was xxxx, but everyone voted against Bush.

[Muhaha]

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Obama Scoffs At Ahmadinejad's Demand For Apology

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's criticism of Iran escalated Friday into an unusually personal war of words. To Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's demand he apologize for meddling, Obama shot back that the regime should "think carefully" about answers owed to protesters it has arrested, bludgeoned and killed.

"The violence perpetrated against them is outrageous," Obama said. "We see it and we condemn it."

The president spoke at an East Room news conference capping his third set of meetings with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, one of several European leaders who spoke out more forcefully, more quickly than Obama on the unrest in Iran that followed the disputed June 12 elections.

"We will not forget," Merkel said.

Turning to Iraq, where a deadline for U.S. combat troops to leave all cities was just four days away, Obama offered no support for allowing a spate of recent violence to push back the withdrawal. "If you look at the overall trend, despite some of these high-profile bombings, Iraq's security situation has continued to dramatically improve," Obama said.

Of bigger concern than the violence, Obama said, is the lack of movement on laws to share oil revenues and other matters that keep Iraq deeply fractured along sectarian lines. He called on Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to step up his leadership.

Merkel's visit happened to coincide with the day that a sweeping global warming bill came up for a vote in the House amid contentious partisan sniping about its effect on jobs and consumer costs. With the vote still hours away and the outcome in doubt, Obama and Merkel, who has made climate change a top priority, presented the rare sight of an American president and a visiting foreign leader together urging the U.S. Congress to act.

Obama said he had been "very blunt and frank" with Merkel that it will take significant time to turn the U.S. into a world leader on climate change but that the "critical" bill before the House was a good start.

Merkel sympathized with the difficulty of approving such legislation, which would impose the first-ever limits on greenhouse gas pollution and force a shift to cleaner energy sources. "I know what's at stake, when you talk about reduction targets, how tricky that is," Merkel said.

In Iran, the government proclaimed the incumbent hardline president, Ahmadinejad, the landslide winner of the June 12 voting over opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, prompting widespread protests followed by a brutal state-led crackdown.

Ahmadinejad told Obama Thursday to "show your repentance" for criticizing Tehran's response.

"I don't take Mr. Ahmadinejad's statements seriously about apologies, particularly given the fact that the United States has gone out of its way not to interfere with the election process in Iran," Obama responded sternly.

"I would suggest that Mr. Ahmadinejad think carefully about the obligations he owes to his own people," he added. "And he might want to consider looking at the families of those who've been beaten or shot or detained. And, you know, that's where I think Mr. Ahmadinejad and others need to answer their questions."

It was Obama's first direct criticism of any of Iran's leaders. Even more, it was coupled with his first specific boost for Mousavi. "Mousavi has shown to have captured the imagination or the spirit of forces within Iran that were interested in opening up," Obama said.

The remark sought to clarify what many view as Obama's biggest misstep _ saying last week in a television interview that there may not be much difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi. But it appeared to swing over to an outright endorsement of Mousavi, though White House press secretary Robert Gibbs denied it was meant that way.

Obama also said for the first time that his offer to loosen the decades-old U.S. diplomatic freeze with Iran through direct talks is now in question.

"There is no doubt that any direct dialogue or diplomacy with Iran is going to be affected by the events of the last several weeks," Obama said, without elaborating.

Gibbs said Obama was "more stating the obvious" that no talks are possible while developments are still unfolding. And Obama said that an existing system of multilateral talks with Iran over its suspected goal of building a nuclear bomb, involving nations including the U.S., Europe, China and Russia, must continue.

"The clock is ticking. Iran is developing a nuclear capacity at a fairly rapid clip," he said.

Merkel agreed there must be no letup among nations trying to stop Iran's nuclear development, which Tehran insists is aimed at providing only electric power, not weapons. She said "we have to bring Russia and China alongside," referring to the two nations most historically unwilling to get tough with Iran over the nuclear standoff.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/26/obama-scoffs-at-ahmadinej_n_221701.html

[Muhaha]

Re: Protests continue after Ayatollah's warning: Protesters beaten, tear-gassed in st

Couple questions on Iran's woeful inefficiency.

1. If the C.I.A is able to sneak weapons inside Iran, why not just pass out a bunch to the protesters?Why waist your time killing a girl hoping it draws international sympathy, that in the end isn't really going to do much? Don't you think the C.I.A or Mossad or MI6 is a little bit more efficient at doing things?

2. Why can't the Iranian government ever provide a little proof for it's statements. Foreign Agents are behind the opposition? Fine, show us some proof. Taped conversations, photos of meetings, videos of meetings, maybe catch a couple of agents in the act and sentence them to death...?

3. You won the election fair and square? Fine, then why do you have a problem with a recount? If you were competing in the 100 Meter Sprint and won...and were sure you won....why would you have a problem with replaying the tapes if your opponents said they crossed the finish line first?

[freakyfreaky]

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Revolution calling? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egvzyhsr95Y

[Federate]

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Iranian envoy: CIA involved in Neda's shooting?


MEXICO CITY, Mexico (CNN) -- The United States may have been behind the killing of Neda Agha-Soltan, the 26-year-old Iranian woman whose fatal videotaped shooting Saturday made her a symbol of opposition to the June 12 presidential election results, the country's ambassador to Mexico said Thursday.

"This death of Neda is very suspicious," Ambassador Mohammad Hassan Ghadiri said. "My question is, how is it that this Miss Neda is shot from behind, got shot in front of several cameras, and is shot in an area where no significant demonstration was behind held?"

He suggested that the CIA or another intelligence service may have been responsible.

"Well, if the CIA wants to kill some people and attribute that to the government elements, then choosing women is an appropriate choice, because the death of a woman draws more sympathy," Ghadiri said.

In response, CIA spokesman George Little said, "Any suggestion that the CIA was responsible for the death of this young woman is wrong, absurd and offensive."

Though the video appeared to show that she had been shot in the chest, Ghadiri said that the bullet was found in her head and that it was not of a type used in Iran.

"These are the methods that terrorists, the CIA and spy agencies employ," he said. "Naturally, they would like to see blood spilled in these demonstrations, so that they can use it against the Islamic Republic of Iran. This is of the common methods that the CIA employs in various countries."

But, he added, "I am not saying that now the CIA has done this. There are different groups. It could be the [work of another] intelligence service; it could be the CIA; it could be the terrorists. Anyway, there are people who employ these types of methods."

Asked about his government's imposition of restrictions on reporting by international journalists, Ghadiri blamed the reporters themselves.

"Some of the reporters and mass media do not reflect the truth," he said.

For example, he said, international news organizations have lavished coverage on demonstrations by supporters of Mir Hossein Moussavi, whom the government has said lost to the incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by a landslide.

But those same news organizations have not shown "many, many demonstrations in favor of the winner," he said.

Further, he said, members of the international news media have failed to report on people setting banks and buses afire or attacking other people. "The only things they show are the reactions of the police," he said.

Because of restrictions on reporting in Iran, CNN has been unable to confirm many of the reports and claims relating to protests.

Ghadiri said it is only fair that security forces protect the lives and property of the Iranian people.

"If in America supporters of Mr. McCain had gotten out on the street and tried to burn the banks during the last election, do you think the police would just sit idly by and be a spectator?" he asked, referring to the GOP presidential candidate who lost the presidential vote in November to Barack Obama.

Ghadiri called on backers of Moussavi to "accept the majority's victory."

Ahmadinejad's overwhelming victory was no surprise, Ghadiri said, noting that a poll published in the United States three weeks before the June 12 elections showed Ahmadinejad with a commanding lead. "Why don't you show that?" he asked.

Ghadiri also addressed questions about the rapid reporting of the election results, which the opposition has cited as evidence that the ballots were not properly counted.

"It wasn't said that only four people counted the 40 million votes," he said. "There were tens of thousands of people in Iran who counted these votes. They declared that this is very simple."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/25/iran.ambassador/