Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Genocide

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

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BRYZA IN WORKS WITH TURKISH COMPANY TO BUILD PIPELINE

http://asbarez.com/113977/bryza-in-works-with-turkish-company-to-build-pipeline/

Tuesday, September 17th, 2013

Former ambassador Matthew Bryza

Bryza in Works with Turkish Company to Build Pipeline

NICOSIA, Cyprus-Turkey's Turcas Holding company has submitted a
$2.5 billion offer to Israel for the construction of a 470-kilometer
pipeline between Israel and Turkey.

The company, affiliated with Azerbaijan's state oil company SOCAR,
plans for an undersea pipeline that will connect Israel's newly
discovered natural gas deposits in the eastern Mediterranean to Turkey.

Mathew Bryza - the former American ambassador to Baku, whose
continued ambassadorship was blocked with the help of the ANCA after
the uncovering of serious conflicts of interest - is a member of the
company's board and announced the offer worth $2.5 billion during an
energy conference held in Cyprus.

Bryza said the 470-kilometers-long pipeline would have a capacity to
transfer 16 billion cubic meters of natural gas a year. The former
diplomat also stressed that if the political problems between Turkey
and Israel affected the construction, all cost and responsibility
would be assumed by Turcas.

Meanwhile, Israel's daily Globus said Turkey's Zorlu Group was also
in talks with Israel regarding the building of pipelines and buying
natural gas. Globus said Zorlu, which was constructing a power plant
in the Ashkelon province of Israel, contacted the companies that had
shares in Israel's natural gas region, Leviathan, and made offers
for buying natural gas and constructing a pipeline.

Israel's government in June approved limiting natural gas exports to
about 40 percent of the country's newly-discovered offshore reserves.

Two of the world's largest offshore fields found in the past decade
lie in Israeli waters. Tamar, with an estimated 280 billion cubic
meters, was discovered in 2009. A year later, Leviathan was found,
with an estimated 530 billion cubic meters.

[hrai]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

So what is the difference between a Turk and Turk?

Well, you see one's a turk and the other's a,a ,.....................a turc.

[londontsi]

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So far according to Israelis no defense contracts have been stopped and the Israelis are still operating at full capacity in Turkey. If anything, Erdogan wants his UAV engines back that were sent back to Israel for repairs and complains whats taking so long.

Top Israel defense official: Military ties with Turkey still in effect
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ffect-1.382850

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/turkey-confirms-total-suspension-of-defense-industry-ties-with-israel-1.382874

Turkey confirms 'total suspension' of defense industry ties with Israel


......Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday that Turkey was "totally suspending" defense industry ties with Israel,
after downgrading diplomatic relations with the xxxish state.

"Trade ties, military ties, regarding defense industry ties, we are completely suspending them.
This process will be followed by different measures," Erdogan told reporters in Ankara. ......

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[Eddo211]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

Ottoman Empire was an empire including many of nations until Nationalism borned. The Ottomans, as being different the other empires, did not kill people of other nations as soon as they conquered lands so when the time comes, nations (we, too) got back their freedom as a result.

Ottoman Empire had called Armenians "The Loyal People" for long years. When greedy West had come to East, peace and loyalty had gone. I hope everything will be better.

Let me guess....it was war and bad things happen in war. Ottoman is not Turkey of today

When the armed government of 25 million people turns on and attempts to exterminate an unarmed minority of three million old men, women, and children, it is hardly an "intercommunal struggle," "an ethnic feud," or "civil war"; it is nothing more or less than genocide. The Turkish government had a bureaucracy, tax money, an army, irregular troops, the local police, and special killing squads to carry out its mission. What did the Armenians have?

If it was a feud between Turks and Armenians, what explains the genocide carried out by Turkey against the Christian Assyrians at the same time?

Furthermore, Turkish armies invaded the fledging Armenian Republic in the Caucasus inhabited by indigenous Armenians in order to wipe out not only Armenians in the Ottoman Empire but also Armenians who lived elsewhere.

The Turkish government has confessed in earlier times to Genocide. Prime Minister Damat Ferid Pasha placed the blame squarely on the Young Turk Party and held war crime trials in which the chief perpetrators were condemned to death.

PrinceAbdul Mecid, the heir apparent to the Ottoman Throne, said during an interview: "I refer to those awful massacres. They are the greatest stain that has ever disgraced our nation and race. They were entirely the work of Talat and Enver. I heard some days before they began that they were intended. I went to Istanbul and insisted on seeing Enver. I asked him if it was true and they intended to recommence the massacres that had been our shame and disgrace under Abdul Hamid. The only reply I could get from his was: 'It is decided. It is the program.'"

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I don't know how much they will actually do, but it is repulsive that they use the issues that define the Armenians and the Kurds as bargaining chips, especially considering they have spent years countering these very issues and supporting the Turkish lobby.

Well the Israelis are seemingly intent upon using Armenians, Kurds and even Azeris, as proxies against Turkey and both parties are clearly looking to further their own regional geostrategic intrests.

Israel Foreign Minister Floats Punishment for Turkey

By MARC CHAMPION in Istanbul and JOSHUA MITNICK in Tel Aviv

Israel's Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Friday his country should punish Turkey for its recent behavior by supporting Kurdish militants at war with the Turkish state, as confrontation between the two former allies continued to escalate.

The comments came as Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country would send warships to escort future aid convoys to Gaza.

Mr. Lieberman, in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot, said he planned to arrange meetings with representatives of the Kurdish Workers Party, or PKK, in Europe in order to "cooperate with them and to see that they are strengthened in every conceivable realm."

Government officials confirmed the accuracy of the remarks but said there would be no such move. The PKK has killed dozens of Turkish soldiers and police in recent months and waged a war in Eastern Turkey during the 1980s and '90s that left an estimated 40,000 dead.

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by the U.S. and the European Union, as well as by Turkey.

Mr. Erdogan, meanwhile, continued to ratchet up pressure on Israel to apologize for last year's killing by Israeli commandoes of eight Turkish citizens and an American of Turkish descent. They were killed on board the Mavi Marmara aid ship as it sought to break Israel's blockade of Gaza.

Speaking to Al Jazeera television late Thursday, Mr. Erdogan said Turkey would send its navy to escort any future Turkish aid ships that go to Gaza. "Turkish warships will be tasked with protecting the Turkish boats bringing humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip," Mr. Erdogan said.

Intelligence Minister Dan Meridor told Israel Army radio Friday that Mr. Erdogan's latest remarks were "grave and serious," but that it was preferable not to engage him in a rhetorical saber rattling. "The silence that we are observing is the best answer," he said.

Mr. Lieberman, however, said in his interview that the foreign ministry was preparing a "tool box" of retaliatory measures. "We will exact a price from Erdogan, a price that will prove to him that it doesn't pay to start with Israel," Mr. Lieberman told the newspaper.

Other retaliatory measures Mr. Lieberman envisaged included a warning to Israelis against traveling to Turkey; a diplomatic assault to highlight allegations of human-rights violations on minority groups in Turkey; and cooperation with Armenians in Washington to secure formal recognition of the 1915 Ottoman slaughter of ethnic Armenians as genocide.

Mr. Lieberman's hardline positions have often been at odds with those of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. However, it was Mr. Lieberman who successfully led a group of hardline cabinet ministers to persuade Mr. Netanyahu not to give Turkey the apology it was demanding.

A government official with knowledge of the foreign ministry's discussions said the ideas were raised in a policy brainstorming session, but that the foreign ministry doesn't support Mr. Lieberman's plan to escalate the situation.

A statement from the prime minister's office said Israel's policy is to "prevent a deterioration of ties with Turkey and to calm tensions between the countries." But it continued: "The prime minister and the government have discussed various theoretical possibilities in the case of escalation. Even so, such a decision would only be taken if and when it became necessary. Israel is acting responsibly and hopes Turkey will act appropriately."

The statement didn't directly comment on Mr. Lieberman's remarks. A government spokesman declined to comment further.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...248614524.html

[Mos]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

I don't know how much they will actually do, but it is repulsive that they use the issues that define the Armenians and the Kurds as bargaining chips, especially considering they have spent years countering these very issues and supporting the Turkish lobby.

That's politics for you. There's no logic nor justice in it. Just dirty politics...

[Mher]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

I don't know how much they will actually do, but it is repulsive that they use the issues that define the Armenians and the Kurds as bargaining chips, especially considering they have spent years countering these very issues and supporting the Turkish lobby.

[Mos]

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Israel prepares backstroke for Turkey – convergence with Armenians and Kurds – media





September 09, 2011 | 12:53
Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman instructed to develop measures to counter Turkey in the international arena, among them is the support of Armenians and Kurds in their confrontation with Turks.

The so-called “Lieberman’s plan” aimed at punishing Turkey involves “cooperation with Armenians” as well, writes Israeli Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper.

“During visit to U.S. this month Israeli Foreign Minister is expected to meet with leaders of the Armenian lobby. It is expected that he would offer them cooperation against the Turks in Congress. This could mean Israel intends to support the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide, which will cause a very serious blow to Turkey. In addition, Israel can support Armenians in the conflict with Turkey over control of Mount Ararat,” reads the article posted byIzRusportal.

Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper claims that Lieberman’s plan also provides for establishing links with exiled Kurdish leaders for the same purpose - to assist them in confrontation with Turks.

“Lieberman is planning to openly appoint meetings with the heads of the Kurdish underground movement in Europe in order ‘to cooperate with them and support them in all spheres one can imagine’,” the newspaper says.

“We will make Erdogan pay for him to understand that one should not have any problems with Israel,” the newspaper quotes Lieberman.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

Ottoman Empire was an empire including many of nations until Nationalism borned. The Ottomans, as being different the other empires, did not kill people of other nations as soon as they conquered lands so when the time comes, nations (we, too) got back their freedom as a result.

Ottoman Empire had called Armenians "The Loyal People" for long years. When greedy West had come to East, peace and loyalty had gone. I hope everything will be better.

So what happened to all the gold that was buried/hidden in Armenian homes that the Turks and Kurds "inherited"?

[democratic]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

Ottoman Empire was an empire including many of nations until Nationalism borned. The Ottomans, as being different the other empires, did not kill people of other nations as soon as they conquered lands so when the time comes, nations (we, too) got back their freedom as a result.

Ottoman Empire had called Armenians "The Loyal People" for long years. When greedy West had come to East, peace and loyalty had gone. I hope everything will be better.