Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Genocide

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

There is no genocide, there was a forced migration. In addition Türkiye did not, Ottoman Empire did.

So what is the difference between a Turk and Turk?

[hrai]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

There is no genocide, there was a forced migration. In addition Türkiye did not, Ottoman Empire did.

Nothing happened..................but ottomans made it happen..................

Remind me, who were ottomans?

(West Germany apologised and paid reparations to the xxxs but West Germany didn't exist during 30s/40s. Third Reich was responsible for the holocaust)

[Eddo211]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

So far according to Israelis no defense contracts have been stopped and the Israelis are still operating at full capacity in Turkey. If anything, Erdogan wants his UAV engines back that were sent back to Israel for repairs and complains whats taking so long.

Top Israel defense official: Military ties with Turkey still in effect

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/top-israel-defense-official-military-ties-with-turkey-still-in-effect-1.382850

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

great argument there, I am convinced....

Don't worry - "democratic" has just used up his one post every two years quota.

[Mos]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

There is no genocide, there was a forced migration. In addition Türkiye did not, Ottoman Empire did.

great argument there, I am convinced....

[democratic]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

There is no genocide, there was a forced migration. In addition Türkiye did not, Ottoman Empire did.

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

Turkey will recognize the Armenian Genocide before Israel will...

I hope you are right but it sounds too good to be true in my honest opinion.

[Eddo211]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

This step on Turkey's part seems excessive and oddly-timed (on the surface). I think it's safe to assume that if Turkey was that upset over the flotilla raid (involving the deaths of pro-Palestinian activits), which I believe took place in the summer of 2010, they wouldn't have waited to act 'till the UN inquiry resulted in an official report. According to CNN, in addition to all of the above, Turkey is also filing against Israel with the ICJ (International Court of Justice)...Intuitively, Turkey's actions seem like a politically motivated preemptive strike. My question to those of you more knowledgeable in near eastern politics is this: what is Turkey's real motive behind all of these actions? what do they hope to convey to the diplomatic world or achieve politically? (I wouldn't think it can be as simple as using this incident to announce its more... shall we say "islamified" ...stance to the world)

Short answer? the Gaza flottila was a a setup (a trojan Horse if you will). Turkey gains many favors in Muslim countries to beat Iran out of the plight of the Pals.....To Israel a strong ally in ME is a must. Time will tell if Israeli/Turkish relations will really be compromised regardless of all the theatrics and drama queen news fest. Good cop bad cop technic?

you say Islamified, maybe but is Erdogan really an Islamist? B0SKURT sounds better my dear lady.

[hrai]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

Turkey will recognize the Armenian Genocide before Israel will...

Spot on.

[hrai]

Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

This step on Turkey's part seems excessive and oddly-timed (on the surface). I think it's safe to assume that if Turkey was that upset over the flotilla raid (involving the deaths of pro-Palestinian activits), which I believe took place in the summer of 2010, they wouldn't have waited to act 'till the UN inquiry resulted in an official report. According to CNN, in addition to all of the above, Turkey is also filing against Israel with the ICJ (International Court of Justice)...Intuitively, Turkey's actions seem like a politically motivated preemptive strike. My question to those of you more knowledgeable in near eastern politics is this: what is Turkey's real motive behind all of these actions? what do they hope to convey to the diplomatic world or achieve politically? (I wouldn't think it can be as simple as using this incident to announce its more... shall we say "islamified" ...stance to the world)

Is turkey acting to place itself proudly as the champion of the islamic world in light of the "Arab Spring"? A quick look around the ME shows major changes and erdogan could see a revival, of sorts, of the ottoman empire. North Africa from Egypt to Algeria is in turmoil, Lebanon is a basket case and the turcs are trying to pressure the Syrians, a real worry for them as if Syria has a revolution a la Libya this could lead to a Kurdish area perhaps looking to combine with northern Iraq, the logic (?) after would be pressure to create a greater Kurdistan, after all, the Arab "nations" were only created post WW1. A shift would wobble the politics in the region and push Iran to the fringe. The turks also realise that EU membership will probably not happen and so have turned back to the ME.