Revolution finally?

[Mos]

Re: Revolution finally?

Ok, but Zionism isn't a conspiracy.... neither was Pan-Turkism... or Americanization...

Zionism is not a hypothesis or assumption, it's an idealogy/mindset, same with Pan-Turkism. I doubt you have people arguing over whether Zionism is real or not. Americanisation I see more as a term used to describe the influence and change caused by American culture and economy in other countries.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Revolution finally?

As I said, all of us can make conclusions based on our reasoning. Nothing is stopping us from doing that and it doesn't stop also some of the lunatic conspiracy theorists in the world in making their own conclusions. That's not the point. The point is you can't based off of your own reasoning alone, declare your conclusion to be fact, especially when the conclusion itself is rather extra-ordinary and rather wide-reaching. If you want to be taken seriously, and actually have at least some legitimacy to your points you need to support your reasoning and conclusion with an array of legitimate, academic evidence which comes from experts, professors, studies that all have serious expertise in the field and whose reasoning has legitimacy in the academic world. All of us can make a good argument, but in the end of the day if you want your argument to have some academic credibility it needs to have a solid support from external sources. I can just imagine if some people here were to write a thesis in economics regarding the "ponzi scheme" of the whole financial system in an academic setting like a research university - with the current reasoning and lack of evidence thatI see - their "conclusions" would be ridiculed and shred to pieces. So, I could care less what your opinion is or what reasoning you used or how good you think you know the financial system, if you are trying to convince me or anybody of a point, you are going to have to use solid academic proof to make me consider your viewpoint, or else without such proof, it's worthless.

Ok, but Zionism isn't a conspiracy.... neither was Pan-Turkism... or Americanization...

[Mos]

Re: Revolution finally?

If you cannot make conclusions based on reasoning then what is the point of reasoning? Who says you cannot turn your thoughts into definite statements? Do you listen to yourselve? We have brains to gather information, analyze it and to fomrconclusions which decide what actions we take -this is how it works for normal people. People see they are getting screwd so they are going after those who are screwing them and they have every right to do that. You can sit home and watch it on tv if you like but you dont have the right to tell them that they "dont have a right to turn opinions into definite statements" when those opinions and statements are based on hard facts!

As I said, all of us can make conclusions based on our reasoning. Nothing is stopping us from doing that and it doesn't stop also some of the lunatic conspiracy theorists in the world in making their own conclusions. That's not the point. The point is you can't based off of your own reasoning alone, declare your conclusion to be fact, especially when the conclusion itself is rather extra-ordinary and rather wide-reaching. If you want to be taken seriously, and actually have at least some legitimacy to your points you need to support your reasoning and conclusion with an array of legitimate, academic evidence which comes from experts, professors, studies that all have serious expertise in the field and whose reasoning has legitimacy in the academic world. All of us can make a good argument, but in the end of the day if you want your argument to have some academic credibility it needs to have a solid support from external sources. I can just imagine if some people here were to write a thesis in economics regarding the "ponzi scheme" of the whole financial system in an academic setting like a research university - with the current reasoning and lack of evidence thatI see - their "conclusions" would be ridiculed and shred to pieces. So, I could care less what your opinion is or what reasoning you used or how good you think you know the financial system, if you are trying to convince me or anybody of a point, you are going to have to use solid academic proof to make me consider your viewpoint, or else without such proof, it's worthless.

[Haykakan]

Re: Revolution finally?

I think the lyrics to "Unthinking Majority" best describes the current political arena.

No man those in politics are thinking very hard about THEMSELVES!

[KanadaHye]

Re: Revolution finally?

SERJ TANKIAN SUPPORTS OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTERSTERS

Tert.am
18.10.11

Famous American-Armenian singer Serj Tankian expressed support with
the Occupy Wall Street protesters in the United States.

"I hope that the Occupy Wall Street movement truly turns into a
political force that pulls the Democrats to the much needed left, as
the Tea Party moved the Republicans toward the right. More importantly,
it's a celebration of the fact that the current post-industrial,
capital based, globalist agenda has failed due to its built in unjust
inequalities and the loss of faith of its adherents, the general
public," the singer said on his Facebook page.

I think the lyrics to "Unthinking Majority" best describes the current political arena.

[Haykakan]

Re: Revolution finally?

SERJ TANKIAN SUPPORTS OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTERSTERS

Tert.am
18.10.11

Famous American-Armenian singer Serj Tankian expressed support with
the Occupy Wall Street protesters in the United States.

"I hope that the Occupy Wall Street movement truly turns into a
political force that pulls the Democrats to the much needed left, as
the Tea Party moved the Republicans toward the right. More importantly,
it's a celebration of the fact that the current post-industrial,
capital based, globalist agenda has failed due to its built in unjust
inequalities and the loss of faith of its adherents, the general
public," the singer said on his Facebook page.

[Haykakan]

Re: Revolution finally?

If you cannot make conclusions based on reasoning then what is the point of reasoning? Who says you cannot turn your thoughts into definite statements? Do you listen to yourselve? We have brains to gather information, analyze it and to fomrconclusions which decide what actions we take -this is how it works for normal people. People see they are getting screwd so they are going after those who are screwing them and they have every right to do that. You can sit home and watch it on tv if you like but you dont have the right to tell them that they "dont have a right to turn opinions into definite statements" when those opinions and statements are based on hard facts!

[Mos]

Re: Revolution finally?

I'm an expert in gambling and I know never to bet money that you can't afford to lose

Here is something about the stock market.... you can buy stock in say Apple and it doesn't pay dividends (meaning there is no real profit and the stock price depends on how 'hot' the item is). However, if you INVEST in the companies in Asia that actually supply Apple they take your investment and pay dividends from their profit because they use your money to buy raw materials and equipment for their factories and get paid for producing something. They make the products, Apple doesn't produce anything!!! All they do is market/advertise/hype

Entire humanity is bullsh!t if you think about it... we put a value on things and then work to pay for those things we value. In the modern world, I'd say an automobile has more value than human life.... meaning that a car consumes more energy than human life.

Apple I would say doesn't produce the products physically (third party manufactures do it in China) but they produce the ideas and software, which in this day is the key thing. That being said, we can discuss the issues of humanity, materials, and even stock market in a philosophical manner as the ideas are interesting and there are things to be said. However, we cannot allow ourselves to all of sudden become experts in finance and world markets, and make conclusions based just on our reasoning. We can have opinions and thoughts, but we don't have the authority to turn those opinions in to definite statements and impose it on other people.

[Christina]

Re: Revolution finally?

And Greece with the protestors with the recent bond deal due.
I heard about Slovakia somewhere on the news radio...

[Christina]

Re: Revolution finally?

The British situation now that is on the BBC and mentioned on many news radios.