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    Despite his wrong doings, I feel for they guy. Look at him he gave up without a fight not even killing himsel. I think he already took his punishment by humilatiing himself in front of the world, from King to nothing. Its about time someone now turned on the Americans, coz they are the biggest threat. Terrorism will never go away until america does.
    'The-Bomb'
    He will make you explode!

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    Hey the-bomb, I fear this thread might be deleted by the new forum policy of obliterating repeating threads . Better re-post what you posted in here into the other Saddam thread. And welcome to our disappearing thread forum.
    The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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    • #3
      Yes it will be like this never happened.
      The times are tough now, just getting tougher
      This old world is rough, it's just getting rougher
      Cover me, come on baby, cover me - Bruce Springsteen

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        Re: Saddam & the US

        Originally posted by the-bomb Despite his wrong doings, I feel for they guy. Look at him he gave up without a fight not even killing himsel. I think he already took his punishment by humilatiing himself in front of the world, from King to nothing. .

        I'm sure the thousands of people he killed and the millions that suffered under his rule are right there with you.

        As a matter of fact, this gives me a whole new perspective on the Western justice system...instead of jails we could just have public humiliations.

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          Re: Re: Saddam & the US

          Originally posted by Tramanian I'm sure the thousands of people he killed and the millions that suffered under his rule are right there with you.

          As a matter of fact, this gives me a whole new perspective on the Western justice system...instead of jails we could just have public humiliations.
          Do you think the U.S. government is far off behind him, if not surpassed him? And do we forget that Saddam was merely a creation of the U.S.? How many have the U.S. killed directly and indirectly via third parties?
          Achkerov kute.

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            Re: Re: Re: Saddam & the US

            Originally posted by Anonymouse Do you think the U.S. government is far off behind him, if not surpassed him? And do we forget that Saddam was merely a creation of the U.S.? How many have the U.S. killed directly and indirectly via third parties?
            I have no idea how many people the US government has killed directly or indirectly.

            But, when the US invades or attacks a slave state, such as Iraq, I put the responsibilly of their deaths on the *original* agressor...whether that agression is against the country's own citizens or against the US itself.

            The US did not *initiate* force against Iraq, Saddam initiated force against his own people, and the US, as a quite free country, has the moral right, not duty, but right, to destroy the dictatorship as long as they set up a free country.

            Of course, if another dictatorship is setup it immidiatly nullifies America's moral stance.

            Check out this article for more elaborate explanation:
            http://capmag.com/article.asp?id=2547.

            And read that magazine if you don't already, it's great.

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            • #7
              I just think that, it's not the US job to do something like this....cuz they were not after saddam they were after Iraq's oil money....and they got it....and it sux!!!! what the hell, is US going to just rule all the countries at the end!!!! I shouldnt be saying this since i live in the US but ive lived in the middle east most of my life, and im soo sure 3/4 of the population there, are not happy about whats going right now!!!!
              "Life doesnt require us to be the biggest or the best, but it asks us to try"

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                Originally posted by fstkhnan I just think that, it's not the US job to do something like this....cuz they were not after saddam they were after Iraq's oil money....and they got it....and it sux!!!! what the hell, is US going to just rule all the countries at the end!!!! I shouldnt be saying this since i live in the US but ive lived in the middle east most of my life, and im soo sure 3/4 of the population there, are not happy about whats going right now!!!!
                It's not the US's job, it's the US's right - big difference there.


                As for the oil money:
                Why is it morally reprehensible that the US is going to gain from the war? The US spent a lot of money on the war and I don't see a problem with being paid back for it.

                It's not like we're going over there and stealing the oil and not letting the Iraqis benefit from it, American/Iraqi firms are going to rebuild the oil refineries that Saddam destroyed and then profit from it and hire Iraqi's who are also going to profit from it.

                As for the US ruling the world:
                I don't think that the US is going to rule Iraq, but it will be a sad day if they do. I'm willing to bet that the US will leave Iraq soon enough and will have had formed an alliance with the Iraqis. The only question is: what kind of a government will be setup?

                As for Iraqis not being happy with the American invasion:
                If any of they pro-saddam, anti-capitalist Iraqis wish to live like they did under Saddam, they are welcome to do so. No one can stop a person from being a slave and living in poverty. But there are people in Iraq who want freedom and those people take presidence over the people who don't want it.

                If you want to be a slave then that's your idiotic choice and no one can stop you, and if you want to be free then that is your choice as well...but the choice can only exist in a country that protects individual rights, the ones who want to be enslaved have no right to enslave those who want to be free.

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                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Saddam & the US

                  Originally posted by Tramanian I have no idea how many people the US government has killed directly or indirectly.

                  But, when the US invades or attacks a slave state, such as Iraq, I put the responsibilly of their deaths on the *original* agressor...whether that agression is against the country's own citizens or against the US itself.

                  The US did not *initiate* force against Iraq, Saddam initiated force against his own people, and the US, as a quite free country, has the moral right, not duty, but right, to destroy the dictatorship as long as they set up a free country.

                  Of course, if another dictatorship is setup it immidiatly nullifies America's moral stance.

                  Check out this article for more elaborate explanation:
                  http://capmag.com/article.asp?id=2547.

                  And read that magazine if you don't already, it's great.
                  While the U.S. has everything to do with Saddams power throughout much of his career, from creating to supporting him, the U.S. bears responsibility for the atrocities committed. You cannot simply overlook that. One can make an argument that the U.S. is a "slave state", after all why do you call Iraq a "slave state"?

                  It is not the right nor duty of anyone to "initiate force" and in this case it was the U.S. that initiated force not Saddam, since it was the U.S. that threatened Saddam, for the WMD phantom. This goes back to the basics of property rights and how all conflicts arise from one party not respecting the property rights of another party. You wouldn't like it if someone came to your house and started to deface or committ violence against your property, yet that is exactly what the U.S. is doing.

                  It could not have been proven beyond the shadow of any doubt that Saddam was a threat to the U.S. nor had had ties with Al Qaeda, but now that he is captured, beware how Saddam will admit to this. Only an empire will seek to intervene in other countries, not a 'quite free country', in fact it is the U.S. that is anything but free, with restrictions on every aspect of your life, by reducing you to nothing less than a social security number, the lowest common denominator.

                  Why do we have all these references to 'free country'. There is no such thing, since all countries require the subjugation of the individual to the government, recognizing the government as a monopoly of force and law on a given territory. There is nothing 'free' about any government. Replacing new talking heads with others is simply an illusion.
                  Achkerov kute.

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