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  • Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

    I’ve heard Diaspora Armenian language teachers/professors giving interviews on Armenian public TV channels and made amazing discovery; most of them can’t speak Armenian language properly (both Eastern or Western) and have poor vocabulary. I will be displeased even if a child, who took Armenian language courses for 1-2 years, would speak the same way as the “teachers/professors” do. Who is hiring them abroad, who are checking their Armenian language skills? The fact above proves that either in Diaspora the people who hire the “teachers/professors” are corrupt or they don’t know Armenian language.

    I guess Armenian Republic well known linguists should be involved during the hiring process for both Eastern and Western Armenian language teachers/professors to ensure proper selection.

    May be I haven't seen the good ones?
    Last edited by gegev; 07-28-2010, 02:30 PM.

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    Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

    Originally posted by gegev View Post
    Iíve heard Diaspora Armenian language teachers/professors giving interviews on Armenian public TV channels and made amazing discovery; most of them canít speak Armenian language properly (both Eastern or Western) and have poor vocabulary. I will be displeased even if a child, who took Armenian language courses for 1-2 years, would speak the same way as the ďteachers/professorsĒ do. Who is hiring them abroad, who are checking their Armenian language skills? The fact above proves that either in Diaspora the people who hire the ďteachers/professorsĒ are corrupt or they donít know Armenian language.

    I guess Armenian Republic well known linguists should be evolved during the hiring process for both Eastern and Western Armenian language teachers/professors to ensure proper selection.

    May be I haven't seen the good ones?

    This is the point i was making in the other thread. The Armenian schoools in the diaspora do not provide the level of education needed by the students. That is why that school in Hayastan would have been a great idea since finding people who know and can teach our languadge are much more plentiful there. It would have also provided those students with exposure to their homeland, culture, people, history....
    Hayastan or Bust.

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      Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
      This is the point i was making in the other thread. The Armenian schoools in the diaspora do not provide the level of education needed by the students. That is why that school in Hayastan would have been a great idea since finding people who know and can teach our languadge are much more plentiful there. It would have also provided those students with exposure to their homeland, culture, people, history....
      But you; Diaspora Armenians are paying for the lessons your children take there; abroad. Can’t you do something; given the level of democracy in your location, to force the people who hire Armenian language teachers/professors for your children, to make decent selection?
      Last edited by gegev; 07-28-2010, 02:27 PM.

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        Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

        Originally posted by gegev View Post
        But you; Diaspora Armenians are paying for the lessons your children take there; abroad. Canít you do something; given the level of democracy in your location, to force the people who hire Armenian language teachers/professors for your children, to make decent selection?
        The selection is already of poor quality in North America. The selection needs to be taught properly for everything to get better. The situation is better in places such as Lebanon, though.
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          Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

          The pool you select from is weak thus it does not matter what the pay is. The knowledge and the ability to teach is simply not there to be bought (not enough to meet the demand anyways).
          Hayastan or Bust.

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            Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

            Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
            The pool you select from is weak thus it does not matter what the pay is. The knowledge and the ability to teach is simply not there to be bought (not enough to meet the demand anyways).
            But if the candidate qualification does not meet the position job description requirements you can hire teachers/professors/linguists from Armenia/abroad and it will cost you much cheaper. It will be useful for Armenia, too.
            Last edited by gegev; 07-29-2010, 02:34 AM.

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              Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

              Hiring from abroad is not cheaper. First there will be paperwork that needs to be done to secure a guest worker visa. This is a expence and requires work. Then you need to secure living arrangements which is also work and a expence. Then you need to pay for the transportation cost of getting the people here from Hayastan again expencive and time consuming work. Then there is the issue of which dialect they need to teach. I also question the usefulness of this strategy for Armenia. More often then not sending people out of the country for work eventualy resultts in those people and their families leaving Armenia for good. Compare that to diasporans sending their childeren to the homeland for a education. Sending the kid to hayastan provides the best possible environment to learn the languadge, culture... It also brings money and possibly people into the country-not out. Besides the money issue, getting their education in the homeland is simply priceless for these kids.
              Hayastan or Bust.

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                Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

                Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                Hiring from abroad is not cheaper. First there will be paperwork that needs to be done to secure a guest worker visa. This is a expence and requires work. Then you need to secure living arrangements which is also work and a expence. Then you need to pay for the transportation cost of getting the people here from Hayastan again expencive and time consuming work. Then there is the issue of which dialect they need to teach. I also question the usefulness of this strategy for Armenia. More often then not sending people out of the country for work eventualy resultts in those people and their families leaving Armenia for good. Compare that to diasporans sending their childeren to the homeland for a education. Sending the kid to hayastan provides the best possible environment to learn the languadge, culture... It also brings money and possibly people into the country-not out. Besides the money issue, getting their education in the homeland is simply priceless for these kids.
                But not all Diaspora Armenians, who learn Armenian language abroad, want or are ready to send their children to Armenian for learning Armenian language. And besides all the costs related with hiring teachers from Armenia will be covered by paying them lower salaries, which, I think, will accommodate their salary requirements, and this could be a temporary work, until the level of the language becomes satisfactory in the location. And then teachers from Armenia could be replaced by the qualified residents.

                Eventually this is what, all Diaspora parents desire; having qualified teachers of Armenian language for their children, where they are located, too, I guess.
                Last edited by gegev; 07-29-2010, 02:34 PM.

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                  Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

                  Originally posted by gegev View Post
                  But not all Diaspora Armenians, who learn Armenian language abroad, want or are ready to send their children to Armenian for learning Armenian language. And besides all the costs related with hiring teachers from Armenia will be covered by paying them lower salaries, which, I think, will accommodate their salary requirements, and this could be a temporary work, until the level of the language becomes satisfactory in the location. And then teachers from Armenia could be replaced by the qualified residents.

                  Eventually this is what, all Diaspora parents desire; having qualified teachers of Armenian language for their children, where they are located, too, I guess.
                  This still does not solve the problem. Language of the students may improve by bringing in foreighn teachers but this is not going to create a situation where the residents will replace the temps. Graduates would need higher level of Armenian languadge studies courses in order to teach properly and these courses are not available in most places and i am not even sure if they are available period in the USA. Those graduating are most likely not intending to make teaching the Armenian languadge their proffession. Another problem that i have observed in the classroom is that bringing in teachers from another country creates culture clash and a poor learning environment where the teacher is the but of all jokes and he/she has a hard time relating to the students. Knowing the material is only half the battle, you need to be able to relate it to things the student would care about and this is hard to do for foreign teachers. The advantage of having a school in Hayastan like the one that was proposed is that by living in Hayastan the students get a chance to practice what they learned in the classroom in their everyday lives. The more such schools existed the more educated, fluent in Armenian and filled with love of our country diasporans would be created perhaps some will even decide to make their homes in Hayastan to. Bringing diasporans to Armenia is the best way to keep them from melting in that huge pot and growing our nation. Teaching our languadge in other countries is not very effective and the students do not get to use it like they would in Armenia. I hope the decision on building such schools in Hayastan will one day be reversed.
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                    Re: Diaspora Armenian language teachers donít know it properly.

                    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                    This still does not solve the problem. Language of the students may improve by bringing in foreighn teachers but this is not going to create a situation where the residents will replace the temps. Graduates would need higher level of Armenian languadge studies courses in order to teach properly and these courses are not available in most places and i am not even sure if they are available period in the USA. Those graduating are most likely not intending to make teaching the Armenian languadge their proffession. Another problem that i have observed in the classroom is that bringing in teachers from another country creates culture clash and a poor learning environment where the teacher is the but of all jokes and he/she has a hard time relating to the students. Knowing the material is only half the battle, you need to be able to relate it to things the student would care about and this is hard to do for foreign teachers. The advantage of having a school in Hayastan like the one that was proposed is that by living in Hayastan the students get a chance to practice what they learned in the classroom in their everyday lives. The more such schools existed the more educated, fluent in Armenian and filled with love of our country diasporans would be created perhaps some will even decide to make their homes in Hayastan to. Bringing diasporans to Armenia is the best way to keep them from melting in that huge pot and growing our nation. Teaching our languadge in other countries is not very effective and the students do not get to use it like they would in Armenia. I hope the decision on building such schools in Hayastan will one day be reversed.
                    But still, given the recent migration from Armenia; there are a lot of people abroad who can teach good Armenian, if selected properly. And then: welcome to Armenia to improve the language skills and/or living with us in your motherland; where nobody can call you stranger.
                    Last edited by gegev; 07-31-2010, 01:29 AM.

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